Trans Kids

[craftsman 1,045]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I bet he never linked to any Antifa violence. He’s a leftist. 

Yeah. Another "centrist". 

 

[BuckSwope 654]

10 hours ago, craftsman said:

At least they didn't riot and burn down cities in the riots of 2020 like the liberal version did. 

Ok.  

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

10 hours ago, craftsman said:

Yeah. Another "centrist". 

 

It's fun to get reactions out of you guys.  It's not as fun with the others.

[BuckSwope 654]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So because it’s rare you think there is an apt comparison, based on that? 

I meant what I said.  Frequency of these events should be part of the conversation.  

[Reality 3,121]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

I meant what I said.  Frequency of these events should be part of the conversation.  

The frequency should be zero, HTH.

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, Reality said:

The frequency should be zero, HTH.

Sure, but it's not and it will never be.   So maybe next step is honest discussion.  

[Reality 3,121]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Sure, but it's not and it will never be.   So maybe next step is honest discussion.  

The honest discussion is that it's actually happening. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I meant what I said.  Frequency of these events should be part of the conversation.  

So you’re comparing a criminal act that is hard to see coming and harder to prevent to something that is legal and sanctified by the state? Really? 

[edjr 6,606]

 

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, Reality said:

The honest discussion is that it's actually happening. 

Hyperbole isn't honest discussion.   I've seen things like" 10s of thousands of kids getting multilated" type comments floated around these threads.  

One side wants to downplay any example the other want to amplify any example.  Neither is what I'd call honest discussion.   

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you’re comparing a criminal act that is hard to see coming and harder to prevent to something that is legal and sanctified by the state? Really? 

I am not comparing anything.  

I gave a an example where I see a similar thing happen in the discussions.  I am NOT saying those two events are similar.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

31 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I am not comparing anything.  

I gave a an example where I see a similar thing happen in the discussions.  I am NOT saying those two events are similar.  

Then why bring anything else up? Let’s stick to minors  getting sex change operations.  For or against? Let’s discuss. 

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then why bring anything else up? Let’s stick to minors  getting sex change operations.  For or against? Let’s discuss. 

Against.  Great discussion  

 

 

[edjr 6,606]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then why bring anything else up? Let’s stick to minors  getting sex change operations.  For or against? Let’s discuss. 

Flat chested girl getting implants - Okay

Flat chested girl getting them lopped off. Not okay.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

20 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Against.  Great discussion  

 

 

Works for me. But if you feel the need to expand then have at it. 

[Reality 3,121]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Works for me. But if you feel the need to expand then have at it. 

Yup, stop mutilating kids. If we can all agree on that, fine by me. That's literally the discussion.

As long as I still see it happening, I'm going to point it out.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

9 minutes ago, Reality said:

Yup, stop mutilating kids. If we can all agree on that, fine by me. That's literally the discussion.

As long as I still see it happening, I'm going to point it out.

You know he wanted to get into some bullshit justification of it in “ certain “ cases. Same thing they do with abortion.  This isn’t abortion, where some reasonable ground can be found.  There is none on this one.  

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You know he wanted to get into some bullshit justification of it in “ certain “ cases. Same thing they do with abortion.  This isn’t abortion, where some reasonable ground can be found.  There is none on this one.  

Or you could just read my posts and accept them.  

Also, I thought we were talking about trans kids- why are you bringing a different topic into it?

Surgeries on minors we agree with.  If I'd guess where we would disagree with other sorts of "care" available to minors on this topic, but that wasn't your question.  I also haven't read a ton, so even I have more questions before forming a stronger opinion on it.  

 You are free to ask me my opinions on abortion in another thread.  We don't need to go down the immature "you know they just do X" passive aggressive b.s.   I already answered your question about late term abortions. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Or you could just read my posts and accept them.  

Also, I thought we were talking about trans kids- why are you bringing a different topic into it?

Surgeries on minors we agree with.  If I'd guess where we would disagree with other sorts of "care" available to minors on this topic, but that wasn't your question.  I also haven't read a ton, so even I have more questions before forming a stronger opinion on it.  

 You are free to ask me my opinions on abortion in another thread.  We don't need to go down the immature "you know they just do X" passive aggressive b.s.   I already answered your question about late term abortions. 

So what other sorts of care are you for? 

[avoiding injuries 1,589]

There are no trans kids. It’s either a mental disorder or something an adult has convinced the child of. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

28 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Or you could just read my posts and accept them.  

Yeah good luck with the that.  Tardcore loves to talk about kids genitals and frame everyone as a pedo.  I think he's overcompensating for something.  Biggest clown on the board.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

14 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Yeah good luck with the that.  Tardcore loves to talk about kids genitals and frame everyone as a pedo.  I think he's overcompensating for something.  Biggest clown on the board.

Just you. And I don’t think you’re a Pedo. Youre an enabler. 

[BuckSwope 654]

6 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So what other sorts of care are you for? 

Still not sure what you mean, so I will answer both ways. 

I said above I haven't read a ton, so I am not "for" any care in the sense that I am advocating for anything specific besides starting with mental health care and going from there.  In general, I don't like the idea of minors getting permanent changes to their bodies in the case of surgeries, especially since this is largely elective and non-life threatening.  

What I am "for" is to allow people to seek and get the care they need.  My basic outlook is to allow people to live their lives and make their choices as long as it doesn't hurt others.    From what I've read, this would include the puberty blockers and other things.  

I honestly don't know what I would do if my kid approached me about this besides read and absorb a ton more info, and start talking to doctors and psychologists.  

[BuckSwope 654]

For HT and others-

1. if you had the choice, would you take away all care for trans kids besides just psychological help?   If yes, why is it different from dozens of other things I can decide for my kid that is permanent - from circumcision to tattoos to psych meds? 

2.  Do you have any family, friends, or co-workers who have transitioned or are in the process?   If yes, do you talk to them about it at all? 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Girl at my kids school, we know the family.  Three years ago, at age 12 Michelle changed her name to Mateo and cut her hair and died it purple.  Told people she was “non binary”.  The other day my wife told me Mateo has now gone back to Michelle 
 

Real life point being.  Kids, especially those of puberty years go through phases.  Some bigger than others.  Thank GOD her parents didn’t start some process of hormone therapy or worse.  
 

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE.  This is not anti-ghey.  It’s common sense and human kindness.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

For HT and others-

1. if you had the choice, would you take away all care for trans kids besides just psychological help?   If yes, why is it different from dozens of other things I can decide for my kid that is permanent - from circumcision to tattoos to psych meds? 

2.  Do you have any family, friends, or co-workers who have transitioned or are in the process?   If yes, do you talk to them about it at all? 

Seeing as you were stupid  enough to bring up circumcism, as if that’s remotely in the same ballpark as sex change operations,  I’m going to go ahead and dismiss everything else you have to say. It’s closer to an ear piercing than it is to removing a pen is.Also it confirms my suspicion that you’re another in a long line of boring, tedious jqckasses that have come here playing the “centrist” game when you’re actually just your everyday liberal. It’s a thing now I guess. Dismissed. 

[BuckSwope 654]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Seeing as you were stupid  enough to bring up circumcism, as if that’s remotely in the same ballpark as sex change operations,  I’m going to go ahead and dismiss everything else you have to say. It’s closer to an ear piercing than it is to removing a pen is.Also it confirms my suspicion that you’re another in a long line of boring, tedious jqckasses that have come here playing the “centrist” game when you’re actually just your everyday liberal. It’s a thing now I guess. Dismissed. 

Again, it's not the same thing, but I also didn't really believe you were going to talk about things much to begin with so no loss.     You can look up complications with that procedure if you want - crooked dicks, nerve loss, etc..    It's a little different than an ear piercing, which is why I threw it out there as one of the many examples.  

Just trying to get a gauge of where people's lines are.  Take out that example, then.    Why would hormone therapy or puberty blockers be different than many other drugs and procedures I could put my child on when when seeking care for them.  

[Shooter McGavin 618]

20 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Girl at my kids school, we know the family.  Three years ago, at age 12 Michelle changed her name to Mateo and cut her hair and died it purple.  Told people she was “non binary”.  The other day my wife told me Mateo has now gone back to Michelle 
 

Real life point being.  Kids, especially those of puberty years go through phases.  Some bigger than others.  Thank GOD her parents didn’t start some process of hormone therapy or worse.  
 

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE.  This is not anti-ghey.  It’s common sense and human kindness.  

We're all pretty much on the same page here.  I've known several kids going through this.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Again, it's not the same thing, but I also didn't really believe you were going to talk about things much to begin with so no loss.     You can look up complications with that procedure if you want - crooked dicks, nerve loss, etc..    It's a little different than an ear piercing, which is why I threw it out there as one of the many examples.  

Just trying to get a gauge of where people's lines are.  Take out that example, then.    Why would hormone therapy or puberty blockers be different than many other drugs and procedures I could put my child on when when seeking care for them.  

He's too much of a puzzy to answer your questions.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Let’s compare cutting your finger nails so dirt doesn’t get trapped underneath to actually cutting off all your fingers.  
 

Did this dude really try to compare circumscision to gender reassignment? 
 

These mofos go to great lengths to enable this on kids.  It’s focking weird. 

[BuckSwope 654]

20 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Girl at my kids school, we know the family.  Three years ago, at age 12 Michelle changed her name to Mateo and cut her hair and died it purple.  Told people she was “non binary”.  The other day my wife told me Mateo has now gone back to Michelle 
 

Real life point being.  Kids, especially those of puberty years go through phases.  Some bigger than others.  Thank GOD her parents didn’t start some process of hormone therapy or worse.  
 

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE.  This is not anti-ghey.  It’s common sense and human kindness.  

Thanks.   Was the choice to not do more only the parents, or was this suggested by the doctors they talked to? (assuming they talked to some, but correct me if that's wrong please).  

Do they think any harm was done during those 3 years as their kid did that as they tried it on for size, for lack of better phrasing?

[Shooter McGavin 618]

Just now, KSB2424 said:

Let’s compare cutting your finger nails so dirt doesn’t get trapped underneath to actually cutting off all your fingers.  
 

Did this dude really try to compare circumscision to gender reassignment? 
 

These mofos go to great lengths to enable this on kids.  It’s focking weird. 

It's all technically mutilation, the word you guys love.

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Let’s compare cutting your finger nails so dirt doesn’t get trapped underneath to actually cutting off all your fingers.  
 

Did this dude really try to compare circumscision to gender reassignment? 
 

These mofos go to great lengths to enable this on kids.  It’s focking weird. 

No, I didn't do that.  I never claimed they are the same and not sure why you guys do that.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Just now, Shooter McGavin said:

It's all technically mutilation, the word you guys love.

No it’s not. A circumcised pen is continues to function as a pen is. Removing one, well, it doesn’t.  It’s been removed and replaced with a hole. That’s mutilation. Get it now Mengele? 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

We're all pretty much on the same page here.  I've known several kids going through this.

I've seen quite the rise in it in my small area.  Never really came across many IRL, and now we have 3 working at our restaurant in various stages of transition or at least non-binary and changing their names and pronouns.  I think 2 of them are minors.  

My neice, now nephew I guess, changed several years ago, but I am only in contact with them peripherally on FB since our family isn't that close.  

[KSB2424 3,148]

4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

It's all technically mutilation, the word you guys love.

JFC.  Here we go with the child like word games.  

[KSB2424 3,148]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I've seen quite the rise in it in my small area.

Why?  Did humans somehow evolve to “Trans” in record time? Or is it…..now cool for the kids who don’t quite fit in?  Let your common sense guide you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

You don’t let kids drink or smoke but they can decide to have operations and take puberty blockers? I’d rather they smoke. You can quit that. You can’t quit being mutilated. Once it’s done it’s done.  

[Fireballer 2,642]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Why?  Did humans somehow evolve to “Trans” in record time? Or is it…..now cool for the kids who don’t quite fit in?  Let your common sense guide you. 

Theres actually always been alot of trans kids and its completely normal. Theres not actually a "rise" in trans kids per se, just a rise in those coming out.  Its just more accepted now, so people are more comfortable coming out.  Or, so Ive been told.

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You don’t let kids drink or smoke but they can decide to have operations and take puberty blockers. I’d rather they smoke. You can quit that. You can’t quit being mutilated. Once it’s done it’s done.  

But what about piercing their ears!  It’s technically mutilation and the SAME THING!