Trans Kids

[BuckSwope 654]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, normal peoples narrative is it shouldn’t exist. Just like sex change operations and puberty blockers. So the option part doesn’t  really move the needle. But you weirdos want to delve in and excuse this stuff.  

Your ability to swerve and sidestep points is truly impressive.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

Your ability to swerve and sidestep points is truly impressive.  

I’m not side stepping anything. You think it’s ok if the kid wants to do it. I don’t. So the option aspect means nothing. Anything else you want to let kids decide for themselves because some Fockin freak offers it to them? 

[BuckSwope 654]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m not side stepping anything. You think it’s ok if the kid wants to do it. I don’t. So the option aspect means nothing. Anything else you want to let kids decide for themselves because some Fockin freak offers it to them? 

That has 0 to do with how it was reported, which was what was being discussed. Hence my comment.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

That has 0 to do with how it was reported, which was what was being discussed. Hence my comment.  

And part of that discussion is the editing of the option part. And I’m saying WGAF about that, the option shouldn’t be there. Get it? Now back to the story. Question, why do these freaks in education want to talk about this stuff to kids in the first place? You really think that’s normal? It appears you do. 

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And part of that discussion is the editing of the option part. And I’m saying WGAF about that, the option shouldn’t be there. Get it? Now back to the story. Question, why do these freaks in education want to talk about this stuff to kids in the first place? You really think that’s normal? It appears you do. 

Too bad more people than just you read this info, I guess. 

Ah, back to the attempts at making me seem like I am for stuff I'm not.  Awesome.  

What specifically are you asking me if I think is normal, chief?  I would say why people do it is because they think they are help lgbtq kids, they think because there is straight sex ed, their should be info for these kids things like that.  Or we can go with they are grooming an army of lgbtq kids. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Too bad more people than just you read this info, I guess. 

Ah, back to the attempts at making me seem like I am for stuff I'm not.  Awesome.  

What specifically are you asking me if I think is normal, chief?  I would say why people do it is because they think they are help lgbtq kids, they think because there is straight sex ed, their should be info for these kids things like that.  Or we can go with they are grooming an army of lgbtq kids. 

Sex education is about reproduction and std’s , for the most part. I don’t know how a butt plug figures into that. Whatever man, you go ahead and furrow your brow and stroke your chin and try to understand what’s going on and explain it to the rest of us. And I’ll still say no. Because I’m not a freak nor am I interested in understanding freaks and their motives. I know what their motives are. “Hmmm, let me try and understand why an adult needs/ wants to talk to kids graphically about sex beyond safe sex and how the reproductive system works. they need an older  man to explain so much more, like butt plugs”. 

[BuckSwope 654]

59 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sex education is about reproduction and std’s , for the most part. I don’t know how a butt plug figures into that. Whatever man, you go ahead and furrow your brow and stroke your chin and try to understand what’s going on and explain it to the rest of us. And I’ll still say no. Because I’m not a freak nor am I interested in understanding freaks and their motives. I know what their motives are. “Hmmm, let me try and understand why an adult needs/ wants to talk to kids graphically about sex beyond safe sex and how the reproductive system works. they need an older  man to explain so much more, like butt plugs”. 

All that when you could have just answered the question of what I answering if it's normal or not.  We are still talking about buttplug guy, got it.  I wanted to make sure I didn't miss something else today. 

Look, I don't know how many times I need to answer this or post my thoughts, but maybe this time will do it.   No, I don't think handing out sex toys in school is OK or normal.    I don't know why the guy did it, but we are intelligent people and can probably think of many reasons why a person might do that that doesn't involve raping or molesting kids. I will admit that raping and molesting is also a possibility.    You seem convinced that the only reason is raping and grooming, which I don't think is normal.   

You think this time is finally the time that you understand that I agree with you guys on probably damn near all of what should and shouldn't be allowed in schools or do I need to keep repeating if for you?   The only thing off the top of my head I can think of where we diverge is probably some books in libraries at the MS and HS level (but I'd have to see the exact example)  and the fact that when you post you seem to brand everybody groomers and molesters - from actual molesters to old lady librarians.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

Inappropriate is good enough for me to say no and be disgusted by all of this garbage. It doesn’t have to progress beyond that, even though I know it’s more than that. Nip it in the bud. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

Im sure Joe will never expound on what "the care they need" means.  

 

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, Fireballer said:

Im sure Joe will never expound on what "the care they need" means.  

 

Keep it as generic as possible.   Political speak.   

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

21 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Im sure Joe will never expound on what "the care they need" means.  

 

He has said he’s for gender affirming care. Which includes surgery/ mutilation and puberty blockers. These are just sick focks, end of story. So is anyone that ponders it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

Doesn't gender affirming care also include things like counseling? 

[Fireballer 2,642]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Doesn't gender affirming care also indicate things like counseling? 

It absolutely does.  It kinda makes you wonder what the purpose is to place counseling under the same umbrella as cutting off diks and t!ts.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Doesn't gender affirming care also indicate things like counseling? 

Yes.  And mastectomies, castration and drugs no one can actually be sure about, but there is more indication that they are more harmful than beneficial. But yeah, counseling too. No parental involvement or notification necessary.  It’s all about evil states harming these kids. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

10 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Doesn't gender affirming care also include things like counseling? 

Also you know what? Fock off. You know that it includes counseling. Your little game is tiresome.  I guarantee if I went over to FBG’s I’d find that you know all this stuff but yet you play your stupid, childish game.  I knew I didn’t like you and that you were a fake Fock from your first post here. 

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, Fireballer said:

It absolutely does.  It kinda makes you wonder what the purpose is to place counseling under the same umbrella as cutting off diks and t!ts.

It's a fair question to ask, and it does make one wonder.  

One side would say it's to force the kids into more lucrative procedures, the other side would say it makes sense to have all the specialists together.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

It's a fair question to ask, and it does make one wonder.  

One side would say it's to force the kids into more lucrative procedures, the other side would say it makes sense to have all the specialists together.  

“Specialists”. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

It's a fair question to ask, and it does make one wonder.  

One side would say it's to force the kids into more lucrative procedures, the other side would say it makes sense to have all the specialists together.  

I wasnt completely clear. What I meant was that its seems to be no accident that the umbrella term "gender affirming care" contains everything from benign counseling to cutting things off.  

[BuckSwope 654]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Also you know what? Fock off. You know that it includes counseling. Your little game is tiresome.  I guarantee if I went over to FBG’s I’d find that you know all this stuff but yet you play your stupid, childish game.  I knew I didn’t like you and that you were a fake Fock from your first post here. 

Yes, I knew the answer, so do all you guys.  You know a bill that would block gender affirming care would also block those things.  You know a person could be for gender affirming care but against surgeries in minors.  You know all this just like I do, but choose to instead post like a tool and frame everything in terms of sick pedos and normal people. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I wasnt completely clear. What I meant was that its seems to be no accident that the umbrella term "gender affirming care" contains everything from benign counseling to cutting things off.  

I get what you are saying.  The problem with places like that is the optics of it, and when you look at how they define the gender affirming care it's worded as though it's already decided its the correct path and they are guiding them on that path.   

If thats the case, that should be clear and people need to go to other doctors before those places. 

[BuckSwope 654]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

“Specialists”. 

 This after telling me to f off.  Pretty sure you've also said I'm uninteresting and not worth your time.  I also thought you weren't going to talk to me because I wouldn't take back something I said.     

 

[jonmx 2,429]

17 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I get what you are saying.  The problem with places like that is the optics of it, and when you look at how they define the gender affirming care it's worded as though it's already decided its the correct path and they are guiding them on that path.   

If thats the case, that should be clear and people need to go to other doctors before those places. 

It the official government standard for care.  If a child identifies as trans, it is malpractice not to give the child puberty blockers, hormones and surgery if they want it.  The problem is at the top.  A doctor risks losing his license if he would try to identify alternative conditions which the child could be suffering.   It even could go as far as being labeled conversion therapy and has the potential for jail time in some jurisdictions.

 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It the official government standard for care.  If a child identifies as trans, it is malpractice not to give the child puberty blockers, hormones and surgery if they want it.  The problem is at the top.  A doctor risks losing his license if he would try to identify alternative conditions which the child could be suffering.  

Yeah, that is messed up.   Bare minimum there needs to be safeguards so that it's the people who need it are getting it, and other options are possible avenues to explore.  

I understand why people are upset, but it shouldn't be the case that these places are the only place to seek treatment and a ban on gender care doesn't largely block them from care they need. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

How about no? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

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wow, they support pedophiles too

 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

It absolutely does.  It kinda makes you wonder what the purpose is to place counseling under the same umbrella as cutting off diks and t!ts.

It is entirely possible I would guess that the counseling step is a step along the road to cutting off parts. 

I mean- "cutting off parts" is a last phase thing. No one says "Well I want to be a woman, here- take my ." So counseling can be a way to try and let a person know they are heard but at the same time try to get them to look at the positives and negatives of cutting off their body parts. 

EDIT: From a later post it seems like we might be in line to some degree on this. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes.  And mastectomies, castration and drugs no one can actually be sure about, but there is more indication that they are more harmful than beneficial. But yeah, counseling too. No parental involvement or notification necessary.  It’s all about evil states harming these kids. 

Seriously dude- you have no idea what you are talking about. Just shut up and stop. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Seriously dude- you have no idea what you are talking about. Just shut up and stop. 

Really? Explain. If you think that any of that is inaccurate then you’re the one that needs to stfu. We all know you’re the expert on everything though. Lol. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Really? Explain. If you think that any of that is inaccurate then you’re the one that needs to stfu. We all know you’re the expert on everything though. Lol. 

You think it is all about just trying to harm kids...it's idiotic.

But again- you are also the guy who wished rape on a kid. So maybe you aren't the best arbiter of "harmful to kids."

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You think it is all about just trying to harm kids...it's idiotic.

But again- you are also the guy who wished rape on a kid. So maybe you aren't the best arbiter of "harmful to kids."

Fail. I said counseling was part of it. I don’t think that’s harmful. I think it’s necessary. Continue….

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fail. I said counseling was part of it. I don’t think that’s harmful. I think it’s necessary. Continue….

It’s all about evil states harming these kids....you included that statement at the end which would indicate everything before it is harmful....so you fail....continue

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

It’s all about evil states harming these kids....you included that statement at the end which would indicate everything before it is harmful....so you fail....continue

I guess I have to sit you down and explain. Today Biden said the states are the ones doing harm on children and that they should have full access to gender affirming care. Maybe watch the news once in a while? Listen to what the President actually says? 

[avoiding injuries 1,589]

6 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

lgbtq kids

If we’re just talking elementary school, there are no lgbtq kids. 
Further, tq is a mental disorder regardless of the age. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I guess I have to sit you down and explain. Today Biden said the states are the ones doing harm on children and that they should have full access to gender affirming care. Maybe watch the news once in a while? Listen to what the President actually says? 

Because you argue the same thing just from a different avenue. Counseling should be a part of things and it is harmful to kids if it is blocked or not offered. They know what the drugs do. Castration is a complete last stop thing. 

This isn't hard and you are just tiring in how silly you are. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Because you argue the same thing just from a different avenue. Counseling should be a part of things and it is harmful to kids if it is blocked or not offered. They know what the drugs do. Castration is a complete last stop thing. 

This isn't hard and you are just tiring in how silly you are. 

They know what the drugs do, especially long term? Was there a study? How many children participated in the study? 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They know what the drugs do, especially long term? Was there a study? How many children participated in the study? 

They don't just give drugs out of hand. They test the things. It's not always foolproof but they are not just giving meds without knowing some idea of the side effects long term. 

Maybe read a science journal once in a while?

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, avoiding injuries said:

If we’re just talking elementary school, there are no lgbtq kids. 
Further, tq is a mental disorder regardless of the age. 

Why would we be just talking elementary kids? 

That last part is a big reason people are against some of the bills being talked that I would guess you support- they also take away access to mental health treatment because it's currently under the realm of gender affirming care.   

I would think people truly trying to help and protect the kids would figure out a way to at least keep that access and block the surgeries and hormones or a way to increase the mental health access in general.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

They don't just give drugs out of hand. They test the things. It's not always foolproof but they are not just giving meds without knowing some idea of the side effects long term. 

Maybe read a science journal once in a while?

Who did they test them on? How long ago? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Why would we be just talking elementary kids? 

That last part is a big reason people are against some of the bills being talked that I would guess you support- they also take away access to mental health treatment because it's currently under the realm of gender affirming care.   

I would think people truly trying to help and protect the kids would figure out a way to at least keep that access and block the surgeries and hormones or a way to increase the mental health access in general.  

No one is taking away mental health treatment. My lord, another one that makes things up to bolster the narrative. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No one is taking away mental health treatment. My lord, another one that makes things up to bolster the narrative. 

You are missing a word there, chief.   So you went from adding words to my posts to leaving off words.   I said taking away, as in decreasing, access to mental health treatment.  

 

I think you are vastly overestimating our current mental health system if you still disagree.   You just admitted that mental health and counseling is part of gender care.   Jon was just posting stats and what was it about 20-30% are going through with blockers and more, so that means the majority of the patients are there for said mental health and counseling.  So tell us how proposing a plan to block gender care didn't take away access to health care for those patients.   

You could avoid that by either being specific in your plan and only block puberty blockers and surgeries.  Or you could avoid that by having in your plan something addressing the decrease in mental health care of those patients.  Without that you are just taking away the care and telling them good luck in a system that is already bogged down and scheduling out patients months out.