Trans Kids

[Hardcore troubadour 15,508]

On 12/31/2022 at 1:53 PM, KSB2424 said:

Large social and moral changes don’t happen overnight.  It’s a huge cruise ship slowly turning, a little at a time, so much so people are oblivious it’s even happening. But it’s happening.  
 

 

No doubt the soft on pedos crowd here approves 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No doubt the soft on pedos crowd here approves 

we dont approve, we just dont get mad

[Hardcore troubadour 15,508]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

we dont approve, we just dont get mad

I won’t take my kids, but I don’t see anything wrong with it. 

[jerryskids 6,829]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I won’t take my kids, but I don’t see anything wrong with it. 

It's not happening in my upper middle class neighborhood, so it's not an issue.

[TimHauck 2,909]

On 12/31/2022 at 1:53 PM, KSB2424 said:

Large social and moral changes don’t happen overnight.  It’s a huge cruise ship slowly turning, a little at a time, so much so people are oblivious it’s even happening. But it’s happening.  
 

 

I guess no one read the article.  The headline is fake news 

[TimHauck 2,909]

A police spokesman said: "Police Scotland does not use the term Minor-Attracted Person. The reference in the Chief Constable's Assessment of Policing Performance 2021/22 was in the context of Police Scotland's engagement with the Horizon Project EU consortium to tackle Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation.

"The term was used in the commissioning documents for the consortium and is more commonly used on the continent. In September, Police Scotland representatives successfully lobbied for the MAP term not to be used by the consortium."

[jerryskids 6,829]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

A police spokesman said: "Police Scotland does not use the term Minor-Attracted Person. The reference in the Chief Constable's Assessment of Policing Performance 2021/22 was in the context of Police Scotland's engagement with the Horizon Project EU consortium to tackle Child Sexual Abuse and Exploitation.

"The term was used in the commissioning documents for the consortium and is more commonly used on the continent. In September, Police Scotland representatives successfully lobbied for the MAP term not to be used by the consortium."

So the good news is that they don't usually use it, but they did in this case to appease the EU Consortium i.e., the rest of Europe?  That's reassuring.   

[jerryskids 6,829]

Also good job Tim in proving our previous point and playing your centrist role in downplaying the slow move to normalize this stuff.   

[TimHauck 2,909]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So the good news is that they don't usually use it, but they did in this case to appease the EU Consortium i.e., the rest of Europe?  That's reassuring.   

It’s not the “EU Consortium ie the rest of Europe,” more fake news.  It’s the “Horizon Project EU Consortium,” which I assume is some woke organization but please correct me if I’m wrong.

I mean should we be surprised that woke organizations are using the term?  The alleged “story” here is the Scotland police “rebranding pedophiles as MAP.”  Except that didn’t happen.  Fake news.  But please continue looking at everything through your red-colored glasses.

[jerryskids 6,829]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It’s not the “EU Consortium ie the rest of Europe,” more fake news.  It’s the “Horizon Project EU Consortium,” which I assume is some woke organization but please correct me if I’m wrong.

I mean should we be surprised that woke organizations are using the term?  The alleged “story” here is the Scotland police “rebranding pedophiles as MAP.”  Except that didn’t happen.  Fake news.  But please continue looking at everything through your red-colored glasses.

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He explained that the reference to MAPs was in relation to the force's engagement with the European Union's Horizon Europe Project – Prevention of Child Sexual Exploitation

A group chartered to prevent child exploitation is woke?

I'm fine wearing my red glasses and erring on the side of stopping this shiot in its tracks.  You seem fine wearing your blue glasses and looking for every opportunity to downplay it.  Folks like you and Shooter play an important role to the far Left, although you may not realize it. It's like "Crossing the Chasm," if you are familiar with that business book.  You help them to cross the chasm to mainstream.

Carry on, comrade.   

[TimHauck 2,909]

26 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A group chartered to prevent child exploitation is woke?

Yes.

https://commission.europa.eu/funding-tenders/find-funding/eu-funding-programmes/horizon-europe_en
 

Horizon Europe is the EU’s key funding programme for research and innovation.

It tackles climate change, helps to achieve the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals and boosts the EU’s competitiveness and growth.

 

[dogcows 1,030]

33 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A group chartered to prevent child exploitation is woke?

Uh... what do you think “woke” means?

[jerryskids 6,829]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Yes.

https://commission.europa.eu/funding-tenders/find-funding/eu-funding-programmes/horizon-europe_en
 

Horizon Europe is the EU’s key funding programme for research and innovation.

It tackles climate change, helps to achieve the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals and boosts the EU’s competitiveness and growth.

 

 

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

Uh... what do you think “woke” means?

Uh... I don't think it means climate change is part of the research.  We had climate cultists long before we had wokists.  And climate change doesn't seem particularly tied to child sexual exploitation.

But, to Tim's point, if an organization gets butt hurt for calling a pedophile a pedophile, I guess they are by definition woke.  Thank goodness Police Scotland acquiesced even though they claim they don't agree.  And thank goodness we had Tim here to minimize it.  Nothing to see here, carry on.   

[dogcows 1,030]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

 

Uh... I don't think it means climate change is part of the research.  We had climate cultists long before we had wokists.  And climate change doesn't seem particularly tied to child sexual exploitation.

But, to Tim's point, if an organization gets butt hurt for calling a pedophile a pedophile, I guess they are by definition woke.  Thank goodness Police Scotland acquiesced even though they claim they don't agree.  And thank goodness we had Tim here to minimize it.  Nothing to see here, carry on.   

So what does woke mean again? I wasn’t aware it had anything to do with pedophilia.

[jerryskids 6,829]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

So what does woke mean again? I wasn’t aware it had anything to do with pedophilia.

Woke

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Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and thinks of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm.

 

Ex:  My son's woke kindergarten teacher taught him that he's actually a girl because he played with dolls.

 

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Woke

[TimHauck 2,909]

28 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Uh... I don't think it means climate change is part of the research.  We had climate cultists long before we had wokists.  And climate change doesn't seem particularly tied to child sexual exploitation.

 

Oh, tackling climate change isn’t woke now?  Good to know.  I’m just copying the description from the website.  Climate change was the first thing listed.
 

Here is the next paragraph:

“The programme facilitates collaboration and strengthens the impact of research and innovation in developing, supporting and implementing EU policies while tackling global challenges. It supports the creation and better diffusion of excellent knowledge and technologies.”

 

I assume child exploitation would be included under “global challenges”

[dogcows 1,030]

4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Woke

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Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and thinks of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm.

 

Ex:  My son's woke kindergarten teacher taught him that he's actually a girl because he played with dolls.

 

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Woke

There are dozens (maybe hundreds?) of definitions in the urban dictionary, so this one, created by “sealcake” in May 2022 is what you choose. Thank you so now I know what you mean when you use the term.

Interesting to see how people changed a term originally used by black people to identify those who “woke” up to the problems they face on a daily basis. Now it’s just a general derogatory term applied to all liberals. Similar to “‘politically correct” back a few decades I suppose.

I still don’t understand how it applies to pedophiles.

[craftsman 1,045]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Oh, tackling climate change isn’t woke now?  Good to know.  I’m just copying the description from the website.  Climate change was the first thing listed.
 

Here is the next paragraph:

“The programme facilitates collaboration and strengthens the impact of research and innovation in developing, supporting and implementing EU policies while tackling global challenges. It supports the creation and better diffusion of excellent knowledge and technologies.”

 

I assume child exploitation would be included under “global challenges”

Climate change has gone on every day since the beginning of the Earth. What's to tackle? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

focking disgusting

and yes ALL liberals, this is the agenda we get when you vote for these people

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-texas-supreme-court-rules-against-father-seeking-to-prevent-chemical-castration-of-his-son

California is now a sanctuary state for trannies

but we are the sickos for not wanting unlimited baby murder

 

[jerryskids 6,829]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

There are dozens (maybe hundreds?) of definitions in the urban dictionary, so this one, created by “sealcake” in May 2022 is what you choose. Thank you so now I know what you mean when you use the term.

Interesting to see how people changed a term originally used by black people to identify those who “woke” up to the problems they face on a daily basis. Now it’s just a general derogatory term applied to all liberals. Similar to “‘politically correct” back a few decades I suppose.

I still don’t understand how it applies to pedophiles.

Yes, I picked the third (I believe) one, because the first two did not represent what "woke" means today.  If you are going to pull the "woe is libs they changed a word on us," I've got a few gazillion for the rebuttal, starting with "man" and "woman".

It applies to pedophiles because it attempts to normalize pedophilia (a mental illness, to be kind) by changing the label to "minor attracted person." 

Interestingly, I can make an argument for the use of that phrase, but it has nothing to do with protecting pedophiles.  It could be used to describe people who have but do not act on such urges.  Such people should be lauded and helped.  I don't think this applies here though, since I doubt the Police Scotland reported people who thought about diddling kids.  I could be wrong though.

These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm.

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

I really miss the days we argued about Social Security, Taxes, and the Death Penalty.

Now we have mofo's trying their damnedest to defend the term MAP (Minor Attracted People) that is only "sometimes" used and not mainstream (yet). 

JFC.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

9 hours ago, jerryskids said:

A group chartered to prevent child exploitation is woke?

I'm fine wearing my red glasses and erring on the side of stopping this shiot in its tracks.  You seem fine wearing your blue glasses and looking for every opportunity to downplay it.  Folks like you and Shooter play an important role to the far Left, although you may not realize it. It's like "Crossing the Chasm," if you are familiar with that business book.  You help them to cross the chasm to mainstream.

Carry on, comrade.   

I play an important role for the left?  Bro I'm not even a democrat.

I value the truth.  And quite honestly I probably care more about this topic than most people here.

But what are you doing to stop this in it's tracks besides get duped by fake articles on a lightly trafficked FF message board?

[Reality 3,121]

8 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I really miss the days we argued about Social Security, Taxes, and the Death Penalty.

Now we have mofo's trying their damnedest to defend the term MAP (Minor Attracted People) that is only "sometimes" used and not mainstream (yet). 

JFC.

It's the anonymity of the message boards, these idiots don't act this way in the real world. They don't take these positions in real life conversations with people they actually know, no chance. They'd be treated like pariah's.

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

focking disgusting

and yes ALL liberals, this is the agenda we get when you vote for these people

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-texas-supreme-court-rules-against-father-seeking-to-prevent-chemical-castration-of-his-son

California is now a sanctuary state for trannies

but we are the sickos for not wanting unlimited baby murder

 

In another thread you stated that you were a libertarian. 
 

Please explain how the government interfering in a private medical decision supports your libertarian ideology. TIA. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

In another thread you stated that you were a libertarian. 
 

Please explain how the government interfering in a private medical decision supports your libertarian ideology. TIA. 

Govt should protect the innocence of children if nothing else.  A 7 year old is not capable of deciding that and I have followed this case for years. I also believe the govt should arrest pedos and murderers and people who harm children which includes this mother 

im not sure why you think libertarian means lack of morality 

also this is truly why I can’t stand liberals. You come in here and go after me and say nothing about how disgusting this is 

[jerryskids 6,829]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I play an important role for the left?  Bro I'm not even a democrat.

I value the truth.  And quite honestly I probably care more about this topic than most people here.

But what are you doing to stop this in it's tracks besides get duped by fake articles on a lightly trafficked FF message board?

You've done this "what are you doing besides posting" shtick before, it's stupid, be better.  

[Shooter McGavin 618]

8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

You've done this "what are you doing besides posting" shtick before, it's stupid, be better.  

No Jerry, you be better.  You people act like you're leading the charge against childhood sexual assault with your condemnation posts on this message board, and people like me are allowing this to happen by not making similar posts.  Do you how arrogant that sounds?

The truth is these slapfights do nothing to help kids, so when you make a statement like you're stopping this shiot in it's tracks, what are you doing?  I wanna know.

And yes I've asked this before, because if people are going to claim that they are fighting against childhood sexual abuse, I would like to know what they're doing.  If you're going to accuse me of letting it happen, maybe you should know a little about me and what I do to help out this cause.

I guess I'm just asking you to think and act more like a human.

[TBayXXXVII 2,553]

14 hours ago, dogcows said:

Interesting to see how people changed a term originally used by black people to identify those who “woke” up to the problems they face on a daily basis. 

Kind of like the word "Vaccine"?

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

11 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Govt should protect the innocence of children if nothing else.  A 7 year old is not capable of deciding that and I have followed this case for years. I also believe the govt should arrest pedos and murderers and people who harm children which includes this mother 

im not sure why you think libertarian means lack of morality 

also this is truly why I can’t stand liberals. You come in here and go after me and say nothing about how disgusting this is 

I wasn’t going after you, I was asking you to reconcile your libertarianism with this position. Which you failed to do. Libertarianism and morality are not opposed to each other but the libertarian holds that individuals should make moral decisions that do not harm others, not the government. 
 

Personally I agree that 7 is too young to make such a decision. But 15 is not. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I wasn’t going after you, I was asking you to reconcile your libertarianism with this position. Which you failed to do. Libertarianism and morality are not opposed to each other but the libertarian holds that individuals should make moral decisions that do not harm others, not the government. 
 

Personally I agree that 7 is too young to make such a decision. But 15 is not. 

100% correct. The govt should step in when moral decisions are harming others. IE this situation. This child is being harmed

15 is not old enough to

Get a tattoo, buy a beer, buy a cigarette, own a firearm, drive, but you think it’s old enough to make life altering permanent decisions regarding their sex organs. 
 

sorry I just can’t fathom how anyone would support this. Especially since we know transitioning doesn’t solve the mental health issues 

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

100% correct. The govt should step in when moral decisions are harming others. IE this situation. This child is being harmed

15 is not old enough to

Get a tattoo, buy a beer, buy a cigarette, own a firearm, drive, but you think it’s old enough to make life altering permanent decisions regarding their sex organs. 
 

sorry I just can’t fathom how anyone would support this. Especially since we know transitioning doesn’t solve the mental health issues 

Well we actually don’t know that: many health experts disagree with you. 

[iam90sbaby 2,621]

14 hours ago, dogcows said:

There are dozens (maybe hundreds?) of definitions in the urban dictionary, so this one, created by “sealcake” in May 2022 is what you choose. Thank you so now I know what you mean when you use the term.

Interesting to see how people changed a term originally used by black people to identify those who “woke” up to the problems they face on a daily basis. Now it’s just a general derogatory term applied to all liberals. Similar to “‘politically correct” back a few decades I suppose.

I still don’t understand how it applies to pedophiles.

Jerry got the right one, that's the definition.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well we actually don’t know that: many health experts disagree with you. 

Yes many health experts whose field is to push child mutilation disagree with me

bottom line

suicide rates are the same pre and post. And many years higher

these people with mental health issues think that a sex change is their issue. Then when they realize they are still focked in the head and that didn’t solve it. They kill themselves still

[The Real timschochet 6,844]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yes many health experts whose field is to push child mutilation disagree with me

bottom line

suicide rates are the same pre and post 

My understanding (and hope) is that suicide rates will improve once society is more accepting, in general, of transsexuals. That is happening, but too slowly. The conservative obsession with this issue is not helping things (just as the conservative obsession with homosexuality in the 1970s-2000s didn’t help gay people advance in our society. Eventually they did, and today most people, even most conservatives, accept them. But you gotta ask yourself why conservatives are ALWAYS on the wrong side of these issues historically?) 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My understanding (and hope) is that suicide rates will improve once society is more accepting, in general, of transsexuals. That is happening, but too slowly. The conservative obsession with this issue is not helping things (just as the conservative obsession with homosexuality in the 1970s-2000s didn’t help gay people advance in our society. Eventually they did, and today most people, even most conservatives, accept them. But you gotta ask yourself why conservatives are ALWAYS on the wrong side of these issues historically?) 

We aren’t on the wrong side with transgenderism. It’s not a sexual attraction issue. It’s a body dysmorphia issue

although I guess in 20 years you’re gonna say we’re on the wrong side of minor attracted persons too

once again I must point out, the only time we are against it is involving children 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

100% correct. The govt should step in when moral decisions are harming others. IE this situation. This child is being harmed

15 is not old enough to

Get a tattoo, buy a beer, buy a cigarette, own a firearm, drive, but you think it’s old enough to make life altering permanent decisions regarding their sex organs. 
 

sorry I just can’t fathom how anyone would support this. Especially since we know transitioning doesn’t solve the mental health issues 

Interesting, since most libertarians don't believe that the govt should force their morality on others.  What I'd the govt decided that drinking alcohol was amoral, or gambling?  Isn't that the Taliban?

Seems like you want the govt to be the morality police only when it's suits your morals

[TimHauck 2,909]

36 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Kind of like the word "Vaccine"?

Why do you have to try to bring Covid into every thread? ( Sarcasm because that’s what people accuse me of doing)

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

21 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Interesting, since most libertarians don't believe that the govt should force their morality on others.  What I'd the govt decided that drinking alcohol was amoral, or gambling?  Isn't that the Taliban?

Seems like you want the govt to be the morality police only when it's suits your morals

For flocks sake. I only care when it affects CHILDREN!!! 

the govt has already decided that those things you list are immoral  hence it’s illegal to drink and gamble  add the tranny sh1t to the list and we are good

why do you guys want kids focked up for life 

[TBayXXXVII 2,553]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why do you have to try to bring Covid into every thread? ( Sarcasm because that’s what people accuse me of doing)

He's talking about people changing the definition of words.  I just gave him another example.  Not my fault.  Also, it's fun to laugh at people's irony/hypocracy... you know, like the new FHA rules where a valid ID and social security number is required.  You don't think that's ironic and/or hypocritical?

In order to get a loan, you need to prove who you are.... BUT, you DON'T need to prove who you are to vote.  That's funny, don't you think?

[Shooter McGavin 618]

10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

For flocks sake. I only care when it affects CHILDREN!!! 

the govt has already decided that those things you list are immoral  hence it’s illegal to drink and gamble  add the tranny sh1t to the list and we are good

why do you guys want kids focked up for life 

I don't want kids focked up for life, nor do I think that 7 year olds should get trans surgeries.  I'm just pointing out the problem with the govt making these kinds of decisions.  I don't oppose banning surgery until 18, but I also understand what some of these teens are going through and can understand a 16 year old with their parents and doctors wanting surgery.  It's not cut and dry for me.

But at least you seem to support LGBTQ rights, as opposed to others here that call them disgusting words.