Trans Kids

[KSB2424 3,148]

Just leave the kids alone folks. This isn’t hard.  A person has to go through puberty and all the natural hormone changes before you really know….anything.  That’s the point. 

[League Champion 1,911]

14 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Just leave the kids alone folks. This isn’t hard.  A person has to go through puberty and all the natural hormone changes before you really know….anything.  That’s the point. 

This

[The Real timschochet 6,849]

14 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Just leave the kids alone folks. This isn’t hard.  A person has to go through puberty and all the natural hormone changes before you really know….anything.  That’s the point. 

Puberty ends at 16 at the latest. So you’re saying that we should leave kids who finish puberty alone to make these decisions for themselves? Without any interference from the state? I’m good with that. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

So, I haven't said much in this bread. But I have two friends who are transitioning. If that's what you call it. Really good people. Some of the best I've ever met. That's saying something over 55 years.

 

Got to tell you, I've witnessed this first hand. God damn drugs that they put folks on in order to transition genders wreak havock on their mental health.

 

If you've ever experienced a woman on a period? Or going thru menopause? They look positively f****** sane compared to what these drugs do to people.

 

As a corollary, there's a British guy who more than anyone individual, probably had the most impact on winning world war ii. He was a code breaker. Who's also gay. And as much as we think that Europeans and the Brits are so far ahead of us socially? Until about 5 minutes ago, it was illegal for two men to share a hotel room in great britain.  They chemically castrated this guy. And the drugs effect? He killed himself. You can look him up. His name is Alan Turing.

 

So my long-winded point is this. Given kids these drugs is 10 amount to some of the worst human rights abuses you can imagine. 

 

I don't give a s*** what you want to do as an adult. It's going to have your eyeballs tattooed? F****** a.

 

But what I do know? The reason the suicide rate is so high with transgender people? Is the drugs.  I've seen it. I've witnessed it.

 

And if you think our country is incapable of that? Take a quick trip down memory lane at JFKs sister.  

If you think we're so advanced? We're really not. And it's not that far stretch for someone to say that they identify as a feline. And we start injecting them with feline dna.  Because, freedom.  I guarantee you, that won't end well.

 

You can't rent a car until you're 25. But you can change your gender? Your own biology? You can be mutilated legally? F*** that.

[MDC 7,497]

I’ve said it before. The age when minors can make medical decisions for themselves is under 18 in a lot of states, generally 16-17. Ban puberty blockers and surgery for kids below that age and be done with it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Puberty ends at 16 at the latest. So you’re saying that we should leave kids who finish puberty alone to make these decisions for themselves? Without any interference from the state? I’m good with that. 

Moron. 

[The Real timschochet 6,849]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’ve said it before. The age when minors can make medical decisions for themselves is under 18 in a lot of states, generally 16-17. Ban puberty blockers and surgery for kids below that age and be done with it.

I am willing to accept this compromise. 

[League Champion 1,911]

On 2/9/2023 at 11:03 PM, Drizzay said:

Why the fock do we need 38 pages to say 'women can't transform into men' and 'men can't transform into women'?  They can pretend to want to be the opposite, and no one cares about it.  But the facts about their biology do not change.

Biology 101:

A Man has a D and a Woman doesn't. 

Stay tuned for more useful Biology facts. 

[The Real timschochet 6,849]

In truth I’m not really comfortable with kids either below or experiencing puberty to make these decisions. I don’t think it’s evil, I don’t think the results are harmful in the vast majority of cases, but still I would prefer if they wait until 16-17. So I am willing to accept this compromise. 

[Beaker15 242]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Puberty ends at 16 at the latest. So you’re saying that we should leave kids who finish puberty alone to make these decisions for themselves? Without any interference from the state? I’m good with that. 

This simply isn't true

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

You’re not much of a man if you think chopping body parts off kids is the answer to anything.  

[League Champion 1,911]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You’re not much of a man if you think chopping body parts off kids is the answer to anything.  

You can't talk to these perverted sickos. Unfortunately this is what we're dealing with in today's society. It's a trainwreck. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

You can't talk to these perverted sickos. Unfortunately this is what we're dealing with in today's society. It's a trainwreck. 

Some of them are fathers.  Sad. 

[League Champion 1,911]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Some of them are fathers.  Sad. 

They shouldn't be, in fact they shouldn't even be allowed around Children. They're nothing but perverted sick F's. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Puberty ends at 16 at the latest. So you’re saying that we should leave kids who finish puberty alone to make these decisions for themselves? Without any interference from the state? I’m good with that. 

So where are you at on this, age wise? 

[Fireballer 2,643]

Was his guy mentally ill or just born in the wrong body?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/feb/06/theobserver.uknews6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuckSwope 654]

Shouldn't be around kids?  Yeah, that's where you tools go into crazy town.   

I thought MDC brought up a compelling point if it's already state by state and some allow 16-17 year olds to make medical decisions on their own why wouldn't this be the same?  For me it mostly goes back to not wanting to be told what to do with my family and myself, I'm not going to tell others what to do or not allow them to make their choices.   That's why I am against banning these things altogether.  I don't want there to be 0 clinics for these patients, I want those clinics to be forthright about the info and risks and to have the ability to diagnose patients when they get there and send away patients who don't need that care.  

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

Shouldn't be around kids?  

If you think this ok then you should NOT be allowed around Children because you're a sick F. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

If you think this ok then you should NOT be allowed around Children because you're a sick F. 

If I think what is ok?    You guys also talk such general b.s. I mostly don't even know what you are talking about - what is "this" that you are asking me about.    I don't know how many times I have to say I am against permanent things like puberty blockers and surgeries for minors.   Feel free to clarify if that's not what you are asking about, or if there is a checklist for me. 

Where you and I and others seem to disagree is that there is a difference between me being against something and me wanting other people to be blocked from making that choice.   To me it's no different if we are talking about alternative medicine, abortion, covid vaxes, or trans care.   What I would do in those situations shouldn't matter at all in the discussions of if it should be an options for others.   At least for me it doesn't matter, others seem to just want to make other people think and act like them and make the same choices they do.  

[The Real timschochet 6,849]

9 minutes ago, League Champion said:

If you think this ok then you should NOT be allowed around Children because you're a sick F. 

And you are ignorant and hateful and know nothing about this topic. Dismissed. 

[League Champion 1,911]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And you are ignorant and hateful and know nothing about this topic. Dismissed. 

You're a sick Pervert if you think this is ok Timmy. Please get help

CANCELLED

[The Real timschochet 6,849]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

If I think what is ok?    You guys also talk such general b.s. I mostly don't even know what you are talking about - what is "this" that you are asking me about.    I don't know how many times I have to say I am against permanent things like puberty blockers and surgeries for minors.   Feel free to clarify if that's not what you are asking about, or if there is a checklist for me. 

Where you and I and others seem to disagree is that there is a difference between me being against something and me wanting other people to be blocked from making that choice.   To me it's no different if we are talking about alternative medicine, abortion, covid vaxes, or trans care.   What I would do in those situations shouldn't matter at all in the discussions of if it should be an options for others.   At least for me it doesn't matter, others seem to just want to make other people think and act like them and make the same choices they do.  

Ever since the beginning of this country’s history, we have had a debate between the libertarian ideal., which you represent in your post, of “leave people alone to do what they want” vs the Calvinist ideal, which is “I know what’s best for you and I’m going to make sure the law protects you and children.” 

What’s fascinating about this debate is that conservatives and liberals often switch sides. Sometimes liberals are libertarian (in the case of abortion and trans surgeries), sometimes they are Calvinistic (for example vaccines or gun control.) Conservatives are just as inconsistent. 

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Ever since the beginning of this country’s history, we have had a debate between the libertarian ideal., which you represent in your post, of “leave people alone to do what they want” vs the Calvinist ideal, which is “I know what’s best for you and I’m going to make sure the law protects you and children.” 

What’s fascinating about this debate is that conservatives and liberals often switch sides. Sometimes liberals are libertarian (in the case of abortion and trans surgeries), sometimes they are Calvinistic (for example vaccines or gun control.) Conservatives are just as inconsistent. 

I don't think there needs to be a major shift in ideal though, because for me the important qualifier to the bolded is .. as long as it's not harming others.    It's also where the push back on abortion occurs because some people consider that murder, so it's another level to the argument.   There was a similar piece of the debate at the start of covid as well as we have to weigh that balance individual choice vs. public health as those choices spill over to others.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

I would let any doctor know that if any surgeries or drugs were given to my child on his orders that I would murder him and at least one of his family members.  

[BuckSwope 654]

Lol.  Love the internet tough guy shtick. 

[League Champion 1,911]

These Kids need help, not fake dongs 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Lol.  Love the internet tough guy shtick. 

FAFO

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, League Champion said:

These Kids need help, not fake dongs 

Trouble is people like you seem to want to tell others what type of help they can and can't get too.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Lol.  Love the internet tough guy shtick. 

You live in a make believe world where people all go along with this garbage. Push comes to shove, blood is getting shed. You think everyone is going to play the court /lawyer/ system game? Fock that. Nip it in the bud. 

[League Champion 1,911]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Trouble is people like you seem to want to tell others what type of help they can and can't get too.  

Maybe so but I can tell you that normalizing and celebrating it like some do is not helping these Kids, at all. There's nothing ok about it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Trouble is people like you seem to want to tell others what type of help they can and can't get too.  

No, people like him want you and the rest of the freaks to leave kids alone.  All the kids. This shite shouldn’t even be an option but it is because of weak minded cucks like you even pondering it. No. Hard no. No explanations. Get it? 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Maybe so but I can tell you that normalizing and celebrating it like some do is not helping these Kids, at all. There's nothing ok about it. 

I get the feeling me might agree on some examples and others I would argue that "normalizing" it does help.  Pretending that 0% of people are this way or need some of this care doesn't help them either.  

 

[League Champion 1,911]

19 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Lol.  Love the internet tough guy shtick. 

I'm terrified at the notion of you being around Kids. Are you going to put my Son in a wig, lipstick and whatever?? What's your obsession with turning young Boys and Girls into something they're not?

That's sick dude, I'm sorry but you need help. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I get the feeling me might agree on some examples and others I would argue that "normalizing" it does help.  Pretending that 0% of people are this way or need some of this care doesn't help them either.  

 

Stop saying “people”.  It’s about kids. No one cares what an adult does. Thats been going on for quite a while. 

[BuckSwope 654]

24 minutes ago, League Champion said:

I'm terrified at the notion of you being around Kids. Are you going to put my Son in a wig, lipstick and whatever?? What's your obsession with turning young Boys and Girls into something they're not?

That's sick dude, I'm sorry but you need help. 

Lol, no that's not how I interact with kids.  Is that what the path to being trans starts as?  

My son did dress up at 4-K a couple times.  I guess I should start worrying or at least shed some blood of these sick focks along with HT.  Damn groomers letting my son play dress up!! 

Idiots. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Lol, no that's not how I interact with kids.  Is that what the path to being trans starts as?  

My son did dress up at 4-K a couple times.  I guess I should start worrying or at least shed some blood of these sick focks along with HT.  Damn groomers letting my son play dress up!! 

Idiots. 

 

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. I say surgeries and drugs and you say dress up. Why did we get all the dumb ones from FBG? 

[League Champion 1,911]

Daddy, I wanna be a girl. 

Ok Son, I'll call the doctor and we'll take you in Monday to get your Tallywhacker cut off and new breasts done. 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. I say surgeries and drugs and you say dress up. Why did we get all the dumb ones from FBG? 

Just trying to match the idiotic hyperbole around here because it's funny.  You are taking about spilling blood,  and LG is talking about lipstick and wigs.  I just combined the two. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,512]

43 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Just trying to match the idiotic hyperbole around here because it's funny.  You are taking about spilling blood,  and LG is talking about lipstick and wigs.  I just combined the two. 

Uh huh.  Let’s just go with the more likely explanation.  You’re a moron that can’t engage without ridiculous hype. Like every liberal argument.  

[BuckSwope 654]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Uh huh.  Let’s just go with the more likely explanation.  You’re a moron that can’t engage without ridiculous hype. Like every liberal argument.  

Let's break this down.   

My argument:  largely let people make these decisions themselves.  I am against permanent changes in minors.   

 

I am good with that, no hype needed.  All the other dumb things you guys are posting are not my beliefs or positions.     I don't need to call everybody who disagrees with me groomers and sickos, or post dumb things like I would spill the blood of doctors or I am terrified that people on the board want to dress up my son in lipstick and wigs.    This board never stops being entertaining, I will give it that.    "Blood is getting shed"