More grooming from the left

[Shooter McGavin 618]

4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Mental illness is treatable, but I bet you would be challenged to find a professional saying that it's curable.

What of the cure is letting people live the life they want to live?  Would you allow that?

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:

What of the cure is letting people live the life they want to live?  Would you allow that?

Who's not allowed to live the life they want?  Did they pass anti trans laws?

[Voltaire 5,316]

5 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You don't even live here, you're just repeating what other people say.

True enough but this ad-homina rhetorical distraction to avoid addressing the issue won't be available in your toolbox in a few months.

[jerryskids 6,791]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Jerry if.one of your kids came to you questioning their sexuality or gender and asked if they were normal, what would you say?

My youngest is 21.  I would tell her that I love her unconditionally.  I would ask how she came to this decision, and try to have a conversation where she opens up to me about her innermost feelings.  I have a strong relationship with her so I'm confident we would get there.  I would probably then help her find whatever type of person you talk to when you think you are questioning those things.

To your specific question, I would tell her that if she is being true to herself, she is being "normal" for herself.  There is a difference between respect and compassion for individual people, and endorsing large-scale policies, the latter being what I was discussing. 

This particular daughter BTW has as many gay friends as straight, in fact one of her two roommates is a gay man.  If she moves to NYC permanently, she would likely live with another gay man friend.  I have plenty of exposure to people on the spectrum and treat them all with dignity and respect, like I do most people.

HTH

[Shooter McGavin 618]

Just now, jerryskids said:

My youngest is 21.  I would tell her that I love her unconditionally.  I would ask how she came to this decision, and try to have a conversation where she opens up to me about her innermost feelings.  I have a strong relationship with her so I'm confident we would get there.  I would probably then help her find whatever type of person you talk to when you think you are questioning those things.

To your specific question, I would tell her that if she is being true to herself, she is being "normal" for herself.  There is a difference between respect and compassion for individual people, and endorsing large-scale policies, the latter being what I was discussing. 

This particular daughter BTW has as many gay friends as straight, in fact one of her two roommates is a gay man.  If she moves to NYC permanently, she would likely live with another gay man friend.  I have plenty of exposure to people on the spectrum and treat them all with dignity and respect, like I do most people.

HTH

Ok so I just hope you share the same compassion with others that you share with your daughter.  They are in fact, normal

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

My youngest is 21.  I would tell her that I love her unconditionally.  I would ask how she came to this decision, and try to have a conversation where she opens up to me about her innermost feelings.  I have a strong relationship with her so I'm confident we would get there.  I would probably then help her find whatever type of person you talk to when you think you are questioning those things.

To your specific question, I would tell her that if she is being true to herself, she is being "normal" for herself.  There is a difference between respect and compassion for individual people, and endorsing large-scale policies, the latter being what I was discussing. 

This particular daughter BTW has as many gay friends as straight, in fact one of her two roommates is a gay man.  If she moves to NYC permanently, she would likely live with another gay man friend.  I have plenty of exposure to people on the spectrum and treat them all with dignity and respect, like I do most people.

HTH

But it's still not normal to you,  you vile bastard

[jerryskids 6,791]

4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Ok so I just hope you share the same compassion with others that you share with your daughter.  They are in fact, normal

 

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I have plenty of exposure to people on the spectrum and treat them all with dignity and respect, like I do most people.

Are you so desperate to label me a transhomophobeaphobe that you don't read the words I write?  If not, why are you acting like a blithering idiot?  I would repeat what I just said about treating individuals vs. policies, but you would just read "blah blah blah I hate dem all$#@!"  

[jerryskids 6,791]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Are you so desperate to label me a transhomophobeaphobe that you don't read the words I write?  If not, why are you acting like a blithering idiot?  I would repeat what I just said about treating individuals vs. policies, but you would just read "blah blah blah I hate dem all$#@!"  

BTW this is the same daughter who has T1 diabetes.  That's her "normal."  But it's not normal for our species, nor is it desired.  It doesn't make her a bad person or in any way speak poorly of her because of the way she is.  She understands this because she has two brain cells to rub together.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Seriously, are we really arguing that you can "train" kids to be gay or trans? Yes, kids are impressionable, but how many times have we heard stories about parents that forced their gay boys to play football and other ‘"manly" like activities and they were miserable their entire childhoood?  And at the end of the day they were still gay? Sure, you might get some who jump on the bandwagon because it’s "trendy" but I doubt that’s the norm. 

 

[jerryskids 6,791]

10 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Seriously, are we really arguing that you can "train" kids to be gay or trans? Yes, kids are impressionable, but how many times have we heard stories about parents that forced their gay boys to play football and other ‘"manly" like activities and they were miserable their entire childhoood?  And at the end of the day they were still gay? Sure, you might get some who jump on the bandwagon because it’s "trendy" but I doubt that’s the norm. 

 

20%+ in the latest generation and going up exponentially.  All genetic of course.  Just a few bandwagon jumpers.

Your anecdotes about the gay football kids shows you don't understand my point about physiological changes.  Or made no effort to try, like Sean and Gutter.

[OldMaid 2,130]

As much as I love Bill Maher, I wouldn’t exactly trot him out as a facts. Who knows where he got that chart. Not saying that it isn’t true, either, but as you like to say, "nuance" is key.

Maybe there’s more because it’s more acceptable now than in the past. Not as many in "the closet."  Maybe mother nature is trying to slow down human breeding… Who knows? You can’t look at that chart and interpret that being gay is being "taught" as the only conclusion. You know that.

As for your other point, fair enough. I’ve only skimmed this thread. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

7 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Dumb.

You are.

Finally- we can agree

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

7 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Most all posters here are middle aged who remember full well the 80s and 90s. We didn't have this epidemic when we were kids where 1/6 of us identified as trans and all the mental/suicidal issues that have accompanied it until the trans movement came along five years ago. We had a small handful of oddballs like Boy George, RuPaul, and Chaz Bono and I don't imagine life was very intolerable for them. Or maybe Boy George got a free pass locally from my teenage peers since it was known that he was an avid Tigers fan like we all were.

This stuff has blown up for a reason. Alongside the grooming of kids into this lifestyle, which you refuse to acknowledge but cannot account and never attempt to explain for the inflated numbers, has come the accompanying mental health and suicidal issues of transgender youth. We've seen it all happen in real time and you're trying to trick us into thinking we have something to do with it when 99% of the blame ought to be laid at the feet of your side and, no, your excuses about not having a side don't go anywhere; you've allowed yourself to be fully invested and indoctrinated.

Where were all the kids in the wrong bodies when we were growing up? Why wasn't their suicide rate through the roof throughout human history and only started five years ago when they became embraced and celebrated? Although praised and celebrated, there's only a very few Gen X or Boomer adults that have transitioned since this stuff went viral. Most everything is because of the boom in the Gen Z and Millenial age brackets where all the whackadoodle play acting was allowed to take hold and festered... by people just like you who should have been responsible adults to kids but didn't.

Trans people have existed for centuries and go back in recorded history as far as 5000 BC. Trans people existed in the 80s and 90s they just were not as open about it because society did not allow them to be because they were "different." The first gender reassignment surgery occurred in like 1905. This stuff isn't new. What is new is people have been conditioned into making it a political thing. 

And the rest of your post here- mostly in bold- is again finger pointing at me and falling back on the same nonsense argument that I have "a side." Simple fact is people are more comfortable being who they are because society has changed to some degree. Of course there are suicide rates and stuff to consider- but that can also be pointed at as being a function of people who say they are not "normal." It is funny that you think it is all at the feet of people trying to support them and no blame is at the feet of people who are insulting them because they are "different"

[Shooter McGavin 618]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Are you so desperate to label me a transhomophobeaphobe that you don't read the words I write?  If not, why are you acting like a blithering idiot?  I would repeat what I just said about treating individuals vs. policies, but you would just read "blah blah blah I hate dem all$#@!"  

I'm not trying to label you as anything.  You said that trans people are not normal and that you don't want kids to be trained to be trans.  Statements like that don't exactly jive with your other statements about loving your trans child and treating them with dignity and respect.  In the end I really don't care what you think, just don't be an ass hole to people who you think are not normal.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

I find it outrageous that minors are allowed to be operated on or take puberty blockers to change their sex and do irreversible damage to themselves. That should be done when they are adults and be their decision and their decision only. Joe Biden supports the gender affirming care for minors that entails surgery/ puberty blockers   as do Gutterboy and Mooney and the left.  Sick and disgusting. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I find it outrageous that minors are allowed to be operated on or take puberty blockers to change their sex and do irreversible damage to themselves. That should be done when they are adults and be their decision and their decision only. Joe Biden supports the gender affirming care for minors that entails surgery/ puberty blockers   as do Gutterboy and Mooney and the left.  Sick and disgusting. 

For the 100th time I don't think minors should get surgeries.  Fock man why do you keep posting that I support this sh1t over and over and over?  You can't go one day without posting about me you obsessed little b1tch 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

I fell that kids struggling with gender dysphoria and other mental health illness issues relating to their sex/gender should be treated with compassion and care. I liken it to a girl struggling with anorexia or cutting.  It’s possible, likely, that it’s a temporary issue that can be worked through and that opportunity should be taken. Medical procedures that Biden and the left support to deal with it are anti scientific and barbaric. I can’t see how some of you go along with this. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I find it outrageous that minors are allowed to be operated on or take puberty blockers to change their sex and do irreversible damage to themselves. That should be done when they are adults and be their decision and their decision only. Joe Biden supports the gender affirming care for minors that entails surgery/ puberty blockers   as do Gutterboy and Mooney and the left.  Sick and disgusting. 

I do not support gender affirming care for minors the entails surgery/puberty blockers.

I think 18- the age of an adult- AND out of high school is the earliest that any of that should even be considered. 

I do think if a kid wants to discuss this stuff with an adult before then it should not just be brushed under the rug or they be told "you are not normal." But a listening ear does not have to be judgmental. 

HTH. Now try to paint it however you see fit jerkoff. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

15 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

For the 100th time I don't think minors should get surgeries.  Fock man why do you keep posting that I support this sh1t over and over and over?  You can't go one day without posting about me you obsessed little b1tch 

Can you go a day without lying? You have stated more than once that you believe the medical procedures to change a child’s sex are ok as long as the parents agree. So stop acting like you didn’t and that you don’t support it.  Again, you rage when it’s pointed out what YOU have said. 

[Reality 3,121]

It's all good, it's art.

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

Leave the kids alone 

[jerryskids 6,791]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I do not support gender affirming care for minors the entails surgery/puberty blockers.

I think 18- the age of an adult- AND out of high school is the earliest that any of that should even be considered. 

I do think if a kid wants to discuss this stuff with an adult before then it should not just be brushed under the rug or they be told "you are not normal." But a listening ear does not have to be judgmental. 

HTH. Now try to paint it however you see fit jerkoff. 

Link to where I said this?  I said multiple times that you treat individuals with dignity and compassion, but that doesn't mean you promote it at the macro level to young children.  On this very page.

You truly are incapable of nuance; just keep calling me a phobeaphobe, it's easier on your brain.   

[jerryskids 6,791]

4 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I'm not trying to label you as anything.  You said that trans people are not normal and that you don't want kids to be trained to be trans.  Statements like that don't exactly jive with your other statements about loving your trans child and treating them with dignity and respect.  In the end I really don't care what you think, just don't be an ass hole to people who you think are not normal.

There is absolutely no disconnect between those two positions, sorry you can't see that.  I expected you to be better than Sean, oh well.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Link to where I said this?  I said multiple times that you treat individuals with dignity and compassion, but that doesn't mean you promote it at the macro level to young children.  On this very page.

You truly are incapable of nuance; just keep calling me a phobeaphobe, it's easier on your brain.   

Oh Jerry, jerry, jerry. You should not have went and said that. 

21 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I was clear about this.  I want to teach them normal behavior when they are young, because they are highly impressionable sponges soaking up information.  If you don't agree with this, then yeah, we disagree.

When I asked "Gay and Trans people aren't normal", your response was

20 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Fine, I'll play.  No, they are not.

Now I know- you wrote a ton of other words talking about compassion  and dignity and all that. But you can not completely undercut who they are as human beings and then say "Well dignity and compassion...."

And as a final point as you start firing up the synapses to type away whatever is Fetterman-ing around in your brain......I was very clear and have always been- I'm not speaking to any aspect of whether it is right to talk about this with kids. I think that is a far deeper discussion. I'm just saying about that particular line you used- outright saying that someone who is gay or trans is "not normal."  Because when you use that line- it makes the real mission stand out- whether you want to believe it or not. 

[jerryskids 6,791]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Oh Jerry, jerry, jerry. You should not have went and said that. 

When I asked "Gay and Trans people aren't normal", your response was

Now I know- you wrote a ton of other words talking about compassion  and dignity and all that. But you can not completely undercut who they are as human beings and then say "Well dignity and compassion...."

And as a final point as you start firing up the synapses to type away whatever is Fetterman-ing around in your brain......I was very clear and have always been- I'm not speaking to any aspect of whether it is right to talk about this with kids. I think that is a far deeper discussion. I'm just saying about that particular line you used- outright saying that someone who is gay or trans is "not normal."  Because when you use that line- it makes the real mission stand out- whether you want to believe it or not. 

Dang, you got me bro!  You got your gotcha!

No you didn't, Slingblade.  There is a difference between discussing a macro issue on a chat bored and telling an individual kid they aren't normal.  And exposing their early brains to cultural norms is not exactly the same as telling them they aren't normal.  And by not exactly the same, I mean completely unrelated.

Again, nuance, catch it.  I made the mistake of thinking I could have that nuanced discussion with the centrists here, that's on me for overestimating your intelligence. 

[Strike 5,538]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Dang, you got me bro!  You got your gotcha!

No you didn't, Slingblade.  There is a difference between discussing a macro issue on a chat bored and telling an individual kid they aren't normal.  And exposing their early brains to cultural norms is not exactly the same as telling them they aren't normal.  And by not exactly the same, I mean completely unrelated.

Again, nuance, catch it.  I made the mistake of thinking I could have that nuanced discussion with the centrists here, that's on me for overestimating your intelligence. 

For the most part I don't think this has anything to do with it.   Depending on the account you have either:

1)  Trolling.  Mooney/Shooter just troll.  They don't want intelligent discussion.

2)  Ideologs.  People like WormsTim Hack form a conclusion and try to justify that conclusion instead of keeping an open mind, analyzing the data, and forming an opinion.  That may or may not be related to their intelligence level but at minimum it's related to their bias.

Either way it's usually not worth the discussion. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Dang, you got me bro!  You got your gotcha!

No you didn't, Slingblade.  There is a difference between discussing a macro issue on a chat bored and telling an individual kid they aren't normal.  And exposing their early brains to cultural norms is not exactly the same as telling them they aren't normal.  And by not exactly the same, I mean completely unrelated.

Again, nuance, catch it.  I made the mistake of thinking I could have that nuanced discussion with the centrists here, that's on me for overestimating your intelligence. 

You just won't give up. It's sad at this point.

You said something either incredibly stupid, or incredibly illuminating, about your real thoughts. No amount of backtracking changes it. But I do appreciate you have decided in for a penny in for a pound. 

[jerryskids 6,791]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

For the most part I don't think this has anything to do with it.   Depending on the account you have either:

1)  Trolling.  Mooney/Shooter just troll.  They don't want intelligent discussion.

2)  Ideologs.  People like WormsTim Hack form a conclusion and try to justify that conclusion instead of keeping an open mind, analyzing the data, and forming an opinion.  That may or may not be related to their intelligence level but at minimum it's related to their bias.

Either way it's usually not worth the discussion. 

Shooter definitely trolls a lot.  Mooney I think is your ideolog, I like your description.  Early on he thought he'd get me with his big gotcha, so I said "OK I'll play," and told him what I thought, fully expecting the "aha you are a phobeaphobe$#@!" card.  And... all of these words later, here we are.  He still doesn't get it and he never will.  He'll sit there smugly while the rest of us laugh at him, or pity him, or both.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Shooter definitely trolls a lot.  Mooney I think is your ideolog, I like your description.  Early on he thought he'd get me with his big gotcha, so I said "OK I'll play," and told him what I thought, fully expecting the "aha you are a phobeaphobe$#@!" card.  And... all of these words later, here we are.  He still doesn't get it and he never will.  He'll sit there smugly while the rest of us laugh at him, or pity him, or both.

I love the people like you who criticize name calling...yet do it. And who are completely unaware of how silly their argument is. 

But hey- intolerance is what "your side" loves. 

[jerryskids 6,791]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

I love the people like you who criticize name calling...yet do it. And who are completely unaware of how silly their argument is. 

But hey- intolerance is what "your side" loves. 

What is my argument, Sean? 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What is my argument, Sean? 

Dude we have covered this by now...how many times do you want to try and backtrack so you can say "ideolog" "I believe in compassion" and all those things?

[jerryskids 6,791]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dude we have covered this by now...how many times do you want to try and backtrack so you can say "ideolog" "I believe in compassion" and all those things?

I thought so too, but you clearly don't get mine, so I thought I'd give you a chance.  And to repeat myself yet again, I'm not backtracking, I stand by what I said, and you just lack the cognitive skills to unravel it, so you fall back on the label card.

It's a fundamental reason we can't have discussions to resolve issues.  If you opposed Obama policies, you were a racist!  If you want to protect unborn children, you want to control women!  At best it is a low-intelligence way of missing the nuance, but I've always figured it was an expedient way for the Left to browbeat people who dare oppose them, to further control the dialog.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I thought so too, but you clearly don't get mine, so I thought I'd give you a chance.  And to repeat myself yet again, I'm not backtracking, I stand by what I said, and you just lack the cognitive skills to unravel it, so you fall back on the label card.

It's a fundamental reason we can't have discussions to resolve issues.  If you opposed Obama policies, you were a racist!  If you want to protect unborn children, you want to control women!  At best it is a low-intelligence way of missing the nuance, but I've always figured it was an expedient way for the Left to browbeat people who dare oppose them, to further control the dialog.

Cool- so now we are graduating to other scenarios that mean nothing to what I was saying?

There is no cognitive skill necessary here. You said what you said and you refuse to fully own it. 

Chances are pretty good you don't understand my argument as well. 

[jerryskids 6,791]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Cool- so now we are graduating to other scenarios that mean nothing to what I was saying?

There is no cognitive skill necessary here. You said what you said and you refuse to fully own it. 

Chances are pretty good you don't understand my argument as well. 

Your argument is that I said that trans is not normal, and you think that is incredibly stupid and I'm trying to backtrack, and because of my opinion I walk up to trans people and call them freaks to their faces. 

How'd I do?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Your argument is that I said that trans is not normal, and you think that is incredibly stupid and I'm trying to backtrack, and because of my opinion I walk up to trans people and call them freaks to their faces. 

How'd I do?

Started strong, faded quickly into nonsense. 

[jonmx 2,429]

It is so heartwarming to see abortion mills expanding into child castration and mutilation centers.  The left loves to recruit young children into becoming worthless narcissists who will be dependant upon government health care for the rest of their life just to survive what these bastard butchers are doing.   What a great lifestyle choice.  Good thing these groomers don't inform their victims what a nightmare most of them are in for. 

[HellToupee 1,773]

It’s been right in our face but didn’t recognize it

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

8 hours ago, HellToupee said:

It’s been right in our face but didn’t recognize it

 

Just curious.  Why would conservatives think liberals want our kids to be gay?  That's counterproductive to replenishing America. 
 

 

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