Do liberals still think that covid didn't come from the Wuhan lab that Fauci was funding?

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One single event in history immediately separated the sheep from the critical thinkers (or anyone with a simple understanding of statistics really):

 

May 18, 2021.  Nine vaccinated players on the same baseball team all test positive for covid.  They told the sheep they were rare "breakthrough" cases.

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23 minutes ago, edjr said:

Also dumb people having to tell people they are smart. 

And if anyone ever tells you they're classy, they probably aren't.

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20 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

One single event in history immediately separated the sheep from the critical thinkers (or anyone with a simple understanding of statistics really):

 

May 18, 2021.  Nine vaccinated players on the same baseball team all test positive for covid.  They told the sheep they were rare "breakthrough" cases.

I remember arguing with some of these clowns about three months after the jabs came out.  I was trying to tell them that the vaccines obviously don't work the way they think or covid cases would've fell off a cliff.

These dudes were arguing tooth and nail.  

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4 minutes ago, nobody said:

I remember arguing with some of these clowns about three months after the jabs came out.  I was trying to tell them that the vaccines obviously don't work the way they think or covid cases would've fell off a cliff.

These dudes were arguing tooth and nail.  

Most people cannot admit they are wrong, and I suggest that we all have this behavior from time to time.  Pretending they are not wrong is a profoundly political muscle.  Expecting ANY of them to admit they are wrong is a fools errand.

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1 hour ago, nobody said:

Preach.  That dude has his head so far up his own ass he taste what he had for dinner last night.

That was kind of funny. I laughed. 

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OK Biden wasn’t 100% correct. I was wrong to post that. 
But the vaccines made Covid less deadly and saved lives. And it was important for everyone to get them. That was the essence of his argument and it was a good one. And since the folks who doubted this are the same ones who thought Covid was a hoax in the first place they’ve got no leg to stand on. 

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16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

But the vaccines made Covid less deadly and saved lives

You got bamboozled my friend and shamed non-vaxxers. Shame on you all. 

 

 

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I got the COVID this week      I had the original two shots, but nothing further.  Getting back to normal now.  If I had any of the conditions that elevate ones risk, I might get another shot. But natural immunity works rather well for normal healthy folks

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Anthony Fauci Fesses Up

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Anthony Fauci has never struggled to speak his mind. But now that he has left government, he is finally speaking at least some of the truth about government policies and Covid. For instance, the six-feet rule for social distancing “sort of just appeared” without a solid scientific basis. That’s one of the admissions that Members of Congress say the former National Institutes of Health potentate made this week in two days of closed-door testimony to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic.

 

I think back to when I worked with this man, and how detestable he was.....and then to how people just gave him some hero status....its sickening...

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18 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Anthony Fauci Fesses Up

 

I think back to when I worked with this man, and how detestable he was.....and then to how people just gave him some hero status....its sickening...

 

It turns out the six-feet social-distancing rule had no scientific basis.

 

Certain folks need to be told things, and will believe everything their told.   We have a name for those folks. And they KEEP right on believing what they are told.  

 

"Well,  I was giving these instructions from a higher up, so they must be good instructions"

 

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Anthony Fauci Fesses Up

 

I think back to when I worked with this man, and how detestable he was.....and then to how people just gave him some hero status....its sickening...

This was already posted in the Covid thread.  What does it have to do with the Wuhan lab?

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On 11/30/2023 at 6:58 AM, RLLD said:

I got the COVID this week      I had the original two shots, but nothing further.  Getting back to normal now.  If I had any of the conditions that elevate ones risk, I might get another shot. But natural immunity works rather well for normal healthy folks

I had covid before I got the jabs. Even though I had it, my work still made me get the 1st 2 jabs  

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9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This was already posted in the Covid thread.  What does it have to do with the Wuhan lab?

My apologies, I missed that.  I will be sure to look better in the future.  And there should be more to come.  The man lied relentlessly....we just have to wait for the exposure.

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2 minutes ago, edjr said:

I had covid before I got the jabs. Even though I had it, my work still made me get the 1st 2 jabs  

I am willing to accept the premise that it can perhaps work to lessen the severity, though I would welcome some evidence.

If I had any of the conditions that elevate risk, I would likely get the shots.   

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29 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am willing to accept the premise that it can perhaps work to lessen the severity, though I would welcome some evidence.

If I had any of the conditions that elevate risk, I would likely get the shots.   

 

I had a date with a nurse last night who still thinks it prevents covid

 

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2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

I had a date with a nurse last night who still thinks it prevents covid

 

Jesus....   

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7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

I had a date with a nurse last night who still thinks it prevents covid

 

So, is this a deal breaker for you? Or would you go out with her again? 

 

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2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

So, is this a deal breaker for you? Or would you go out with her again? 

 

 

huge deal breaker, one of the major issues I generally have had dating black chicks, they eat up whatever they are told.

 

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52 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am willing to accept the premise that it can perhaps work to lessen the severity, though I would welcome some evidence.

If I had any of the conditions that elevate risk, I would likely get the shots.   

How old are you?

There is a ton of evidence it lessens the severity, so I’m gonna say no you wouldn’t welcome it.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

How old are you?

There is a ton of evidence it lessens the severity, so I’m gonna say no you wouldn’t welcome it.

50+

I concur there is evidence that it lessens the severity, which is why I said as much, and that I would likely take it if I were worried in having the main issues....obesity, diabetes, COPD or something.

I did take the first two, but none since.....and I was just fine.

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6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

50+

I concur there is evidence that it lessens the severity, which is why I said as much, and that I would likely take it if I were worried in having the main issues....obesity, diabetes, COPD or something.

I did take the first two, but none since.....and I was just fine.

Ah.  I’d say that your age “elevates your risk,” but most of the benefit came from the first 2, didn’t realize you had those.

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

50+

I concur there is evidence that it lessens the severity, which is why I said as much, and that I would likely take it if I were worried in having the main issues....obesity, diabetes, COPD or something.

I did take the first two, but none since.....and I was just fine.

Same shots for me.  And there's tons of evidence that the unvaxxed both died and were hospitalized at a much much greater % than the vaxxed.

I didn't get the boosters because the current strain of covid is the mildest one yet and I'm not in a super high risk category.  Also, the vaxx doesn't prevent getting or spreading covid very well like the shots did so well against the OG strain.

I make my health decisions based on the current circumstances we're operating in along with recommendations from science.  Weighing each. 

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3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Same shots for me.  And there's tons of evidence that the unvaxxed both died and were hospitalized at a much much greater % than the vaxxed.

I didn't get the boosters because the current strain of covid is the mildest one yet and I'm not in a super high risk category.  Also, the vaxx doesn't prevent getting or spreading covid very well like the shots did so well against the OG strain.

I make my health decisions based on the current circumstances we're operating in along with recommendations from science.  Weighing each. 

Makes sense.  I did not decide alone, made sure to consult with my doctor.  

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17 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Same shots for me.  And there's tons of evidence that the unvaxxed both died and were hospitalized at a much much greater % than the vaxxed.

I didn't get the boosters because the current strain of covid is the mildest one yet and I'm not in a super high risk category.  Also, the vaxx doesn't prevent getting or spreading covid very well like the shots did so well against the OG strain.

I make my health decisions based on the current circumstances we're operating in along with recommendations from science.  Weighing each. 

Ass rot doesn't make you high risk?

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Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

Ass rot doesn't make you high risk?

I don't believe that's ever been listed as a high risk condition. 

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On 11/29/2023 at 1:39 PM, RogerDodger said:

One single event in history immediately separated the sheep from the critical thinkers (or anyone with a simple understanding of statistics really):

 

May 18, 2021.  Nine vaccinated players on the same baseball team all test positive for covid.  They told the sheep they were rare "breakthrough" cases.

They took the J&J which was only advertised as around 66% effective against infection from the start. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Man if the next novel virus is more deadly than covid it will decimate conservatives since they are so anti-science now they won't take any vaccine offered by big pharma and the government.

I wonder what conservatives will do when they're faced with significant medical choices that will require them to either use medical treatments and drugs from big pharma or face death.  Should be interesting. 

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20 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Man if the next novel virus is more deadly than covid it will decimate conservatives since they are so anti-science now they won't take any vaccine offered by big pharma and the government.

I wonder what conservatives will do when they're faced with significant medical choices that will require them to either use medical treatments and drugs from big pharma or face death.  Should be interesting. 

Tell us more tiddylips

The most vaccine-hesitant group of all? PhDs A new study found that the most educated are the least likely to get jabbed

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On 11/29/2023 at 2:39 PM, The Real timschochet said:

OK Biden wasn’t 100% correct. I was wrong to post that. 
But the vaccines made Covid less deadly and saved lives. And it was important for everyone to get them. That was the essence of his argument and it was a good one. And since the folks who doubted this are the same ones who thought Covid was a hoax in the first place they’ve got no leg to stand on. 

Did you get the recommended boosters? 

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

How old are you?

There is a ton of evidence it lessens the severity, so I’m gonna say no you wouldn’t welcome it.

Link to data on vaccine effect on people previously infected with Covid please.

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2 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Man if the next novel virus is more deadly than covid it will decimate conservatives since they are so anti-science now they won't take any vaccine offered by big pharma and the government.

I wonder what conservatives will do when they're faced with significant medical choices that will require them to either use medical treatments and drugs from big pharma or face death.  Should be interesting. 

We'll do the same thing we did this time around.  We'll let others be first in line, and then we'll observe what happens.  If it's the same thing as last time, and it doesn't seem to matter if we get it or not given our particular health circumstances, we probably won't get it then either.  If it does seem to work, we'll all get it.

The only difference between what you described as your process and what most conservatives did was:

• We let your team beta test it. 
  • Your team seemed to get mad we weren't standing in line behind you.
• When it was very obvious a few months later that if we're healthy or we already had covid, it didn't matter if we took it or not, many of us decided not to take it. 
  • Your team seemed to get mad we didn't listen to people who told us we were going to die if we didn't take it because SCIENCE and when we resisted it being forced upon us.

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

Link to data on vaccine effect on people previously infected with Covid please.

That wasn’t what @RLLD was saying, but here ya go:

With Omicron, although hybrid immunity was only significantly different with 3 doses: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2203965

Pre-Omicron: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2118946

And of course, the famous “natural immunity is 27x better than vaccine immunity” study, which showed that hybrid immunity was even better: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

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32 minutes ago, nobody said:

We'll do the same thing we did this time around.  We'll let others be first in line, and then we'll observe what happens.  If it's the same thing as last time, and it doesn't seem to matter if we get it or not given our particular health circumstances, we probably won't get it then either.  If it does seem to work, we'll all get it.

The only difference between what you described as your process and what most conservatives did was:

• We let your team beta test it. 
  • Your team seemed to get mad we weren't standing in line behind you.
• When it was very obvious a few months later that if we're healthy or we already had covid, it didn't matter if we took it or not, many of us decided not to take it. 
  • Your team seemed to get mad we didn't listen to people who told us we were going to die if we didn't take it because SCIENCE and when we resisted it being forced upon us.

This is a gross oversimplification, and once again seems to be forgetting that only about 25% of the population can really be considered “healthy,” maybe even lower from “your team.” Unfortunately, many from “your team” died during the Delta wave/“beta test”

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This should put this question to bed, for everyone except @The Real timschochet:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s-chinese-researchers-wanted-to-engineer-virus-similar-to-covid-one-year-before-pandemic-outbreak-internal-docs-show/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=34095689

 

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

This should put this question to bed, for everyone except @The Real timschochet:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s-chinese-researchers-wanted-to-engineer-virus-similar-to-covid-one-year-before-pandemic-outbreak-internal-docs-show/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=breaking&utm_campaign=newstrack&utm_term=34095689

 

It doesn’t put anything to bed. It certainly raises questions but none that lead to the accusations against Fauci that have been made here and elsewhere. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

It doesn’t put anything to bed. It certainly raises questions but none that lead to the accusations against Fauci that have been made here and elsewhere. 

Told you all. 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Told you all. 

But am I wrong? I don’t think I am. How does that article implicate Dr. Fauci? 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

But am I wrong? I don’t think I am. How does that article implicate Dr. Fauci? 

There is no question that Fauci funded the Wuhan institute of virology research.  If the virus leaked from there he bears some responsibility.   So the only thing left to "prove" is whether it came from there, which is what the article along with other evidence that has already emerged, does.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

There is no question that Fauci funded the Wuhan institute of virology research. 

Theres actually quite a bit of question about this. You’re buying into the conservative narrative completely. It has been challenged again and again: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/29/repeated-claim-that-fauci-lied-congress-about-gain-of-function-research/

That’s one of the best articles I can remember reading about it. This is a complicated subject. The NIH letter, which conservatives have tried to use as proof of Fauci’s complicity, doesn’t say what they claim it does. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Theres actually quite a bit of question about this. You’re buying into the conservative narrative completely. It has been challenged again and again: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/29/repeated-claim-that-fauci-lied-congress-about-gain-of-function-research/

That’s one of the best articles I can remember reading about it. This is a complicated subject. The NIH letter, which conservatives have tried to use as proof of Fauci’s complicity, doesn’t say what they claim it does. 

Your own article admits the NIH funded Wuhan research.  Thanks for supporting my case.  This is why I tend to avoid having actual discussions with you.  You're incapable of forming or understanding a logical argument.