DeSantis and his stupid laws

[Hardcore troubadour 15,543]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sure. And they’ll always find extreme examples to throw at you. But now they want to ban Jodi Picoult. And Toni Morrison: 

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3894275-bestselling-writer-jodi-picoult-denounces-florida-book-ban/amp/

So I say fuk em. They ARE right wing lunatics. 

What books by Picoult were removed? Many of her books include graphic sex depictions. I’m not aware of any history books where that would be necessary to learn the lesson. Perhaps you can tell us the actual books? I’ll take it from there. 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m awful curious about what book actually says this. Care to offer an example? 

 

[BuckSwope 654]

25 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What books by Picoult were removed? Many of her books include graphic sex depictions. I’m not aware of any history books where that would be necessary to learn the lesson. Perhaps you can tell us the actual books? I’ll take it from there. 

I just provided 2 links.  Some Picoult titles were in the first link.  

 

[dogcows 1,030]

21 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

 

Rufo is a religious zealot. He should not be deciding what others are allowed to read. He doesn’t even think evolution is real. His brain is stuck in medieval times, and I’m not talking about the restaurant.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,543]

10 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I just provided 2 links.  Some Picoult titles were in the first link.  

 

Didn’t see it. You can’t just tell me the names of the books? Or what post  you put it in? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,543]

Just now, dogcows said:

Rufo is a religious zealot. He should not be deciding what others are allowed to read. He doesn’t even think evolution is real. His brain is stuck in medieval times, and I’m not talking about the restaurant.

So it doesn’t say those things in the book. Lol. 

[dogcows 1,030]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So it doesn’t say those things in the book. Lol. 

I don’t see what is wrong with that book. I can see how racists like Rufo wouldn’t like it though. How dare anybody speak the truth…

[Hardcore troubadour 15,543]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

I don’t see what is wrong with that book. I can see how racists like Rufo wouldn’t like it though. How dare anybody speak the truth…

So you believe that white identity is inherently racist? And young kids need to have that pointed out? 

[BuckSwope 654]

23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t see it. You can’t just tell me the names of the books? Or what post  you put it in? 

It is the second post from the bottom on the last page.   

[BuckSwope 654]

I think what we need is a Geek Club book club where we actually read the books being removed from the schools in full.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,543]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

It is the second post from the bottom on the last page.   

So you or Tim can’t tell me.  But you object to it being removed.  Good job, good effort. 

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you or Tim can’t tell me.  But you object to it being removed.  Good job, good effort. 

I can tell you, I am just tired of doing research for you.  

I have read many of the titles I've seen listed, but of course not all.  There are some I agree with removing (Gender Queer), and some I think are fine for a HS (Beloved).  Most of the examples i see fall into that 2nd category. 

I haven't read Picoult books, so I don't have an opinion on those and can't tell you if I object to them being removed.  I doubt you have read them either.  I was just providing a link to the titles being removed to Tim and anybody else interested.  We'll, ones that aren't too lazy to make a couple mouse clicks, anyway.  

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

I've seen Kendi's books on lists, and kids versions of those.   I've seen stuff like Stamped, Ghost boys, Beloved, things like that.   

But this goes back to my posts about the purposeful goal of getting all race stuff under CRT.  Because now the shorthand is all these books point to "teaching" CRT = teaching us to hate whitey = should be removed from the shelves.  

The net keeps getting bigger and bigger, but when you scan the lists of challenged books, it damn near all circles around LGBTQ and race topics.  

HERE is an example of one of the county's lists.    HERE is a list of 176 that were taken off the shelves for review and are being looked at.  

 

I’ve read one of Kendi’s books. He’s a fine provocative writer whom I generally disagree with (at least, in terms of his proposed solutions.) But again I have to challenge the claim that he or anyone else has instructed young African Americans to “hate whitey.” That’s the lazy conclusion of somebody who has never read him. 

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

 

Haven’t read it. I’ll make sure I do. I strongly doubt it says what you’re repeating here. 

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you or Tim can’t tell me.  But you object to it being removed.  Good job, good effort. 

The Storyteller. Her novel about the Holocaust. 
 

Not sure why I needed to tell you this. You could have just looked it up. 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

48 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Rufo is a religious zealot. He should not be deciding what others are allowed to read. He doesn’t even think evolution is real. His brain is stuck in medieval times, and I’m not talking about the restaurant.

Loser attacks the messenger 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Loser attacks the messenger 

And idiots don't take into account who is giving them the messages.  Rufo has an agenda and axe to grind, and is pretty open about it.  

 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Haven’t read it. I’ll make sure I do. I strongly doubt it says what you’re repeating here. 

Yeah I’m pretty sure it says “Whiteness is a bad deal, It always was” and “whiteness gets to mess endlessly with the lives of people of color”. And “a whiteness contract with the devil”. Don’t you leftists tools get tired of being wrong all the time?

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

And idiots don't take into account who is giving them the messages.  Rufo has an agenda and axe to grind, and is pretty open about it.  

 

No crap he has an agenda everyone has an agenda. I’m glad he’s doing it and celebrate him. You can go back to defending your leftist boyfriend “gc centrist”.

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Loser attacks the messenger 

I am going to now attack the message. 
 

Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness is a children’s book about the white supremacist movement. I just looked it up on Amazon and read a few pages in the “Look Inside” option. That was enough to tell me that it doesn’t teach anyone to “hate whitey”, and also that it’s not even directed at African-American children, but all children. Which makes both of your assertions false. 
 

It seems to be an intelligent work about an important topic that is perfectly suitable for young children IMO (though kindergarten might be too young- depends upon the kid.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Yeah I’m pretty sure it says “Whiteness is a bad deal, It always was” and “whiteness gets to mess endlessly with the lives of people of color”. And “a whiteness contract with the devil”. Don’t you leftists tools get tired of being wrong all the time?

I don’t see any of those quotes in the part I read.  I’m betting they don’t exist. 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t see any of those quotes in the part I read.  I’m betting they don’t exist. 

I provided you screenshots of the pages directly from the book. 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

“Florida is banning books!”

”Those books aren’t available to children”

”I’m glad those books are available to children they teach a valuable lesson”

Do I have that right sh!tlibs?

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

1 minute ago, Dizkneelande said:

I provided you screenshots of the pages directly from the book. 

And those screenshots were taken out of context. They don’t represent instruction from the author. 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t see any of those quotes in the part I read.  I’m betting they don’t exist. 

Here’s another excerpt from the book sh!tlib

“'Racism is a [W]hite person's problem and we are all caught up in it”

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

And those screenshots were taken out of context. They don’t represent instruction from the author. 

Taken out of context? What part of white people signed a contract with the devil is taken out of context?

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

5 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Here’s another excerpt from the book sh!tlib

“'Racism is a [W]hite person's problem and we are all caught up in it”

But that statement is largely true. 

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

4 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Taken out of context? What part of white people signed a contract with the devil is taken out of context?

You do understand that the author is a white woman right? 

[BuckSwope 654]

13 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

No crap he has an agenda everyone has an agenda. I’m glad he’s doing it and celebrate him. You can go back to defending your leftist boyfriend “gc centrist”.

Who am I defending now? 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

Racism in this country has been practiced almost exclusively by white people against minorities. Racist attitudes by minorities against white people or other non-whites is irrelevant because minorities have never been a significant part of the power structure. 
 

So she is absolutely correct: racism is a white people’s problem, created and perpetuated by whites, and we are all caught up in it. 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

Here’s the full context read by a sh!tlib bowtied bumkisser. I see that I was correct that the narrative would change from it’s not happening to I’m glad it’s happening. 
 

 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

On 2/2/2023 at 10:29 AM, BuckSwope said:

I am not sure where you are getting this.   

Book bans = dumb   

Fighting against book bans = good.   

 

I don't care which side of the aisle is doing which in order to tell you I am against #1, but it seems currently the right is hellbent on doing #1.  

Re-editing old books = very dumb and very bad.

What books have been banned from the public?

[The Real timschochet 6,976]

Hey @Dizkneelande in retrospect I don’t feel I’m being fair to you because I haven’t read the full book. I don’t find your arguments compelling but maybe they are; maybe it teaches something awful and entirely inappropriate. I note that you haven’t read it either. 
 

So I’ll make you an offer: I will shell out the money and read this book in its entirety (it shouldn’t take too much time) and then offer you an honest opinion IF you are willing to do the same. Maybe one or both of us will change our minds. Up to you. 

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey @Dizkneelande in retrospect I don’t feel I’m being fair to you because I haven’t read the full book. I don’t find your arguments compelling but maybe they are; maybe it teaches something awful and entirely inappropriate. I note that you haven’t read it either. 
 

So I’ll make you an offer: I will shell out the money and read this book in its entirety (it shouldn’t take too much time) and then offer you an honest opinion IF you are willing to do the same. Maybe one or both of us will change our minds. Up to you. 

I just gave you the book for free

[BuckSwope 654]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Re-editing old books = very dumb and very bad.

What books have been banned from the public?

Great, another one.  

Banned/removed from schools and/or libraries.   I have never claimed the book is removed from existence or anything.  

[Dizkneelande 1,108]

21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You do understand that the author is a white woman right? 

Yes I know she’s a self loathing cuck like most leftists 

[Fireballer 2,651]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

 Racist attitudes by minorities against white people or other non-whites is irrelevant because minorities have never been a significant part of the power structure. 
 

 

Ahhh yes...and here it is.  What Tim has been dancing around, but he’s finally said it.  Black racism doesn’t count.  Right out of Kendis mouth.

[dogcows 1,030]

41 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Yeah I’m pretty sure it says “Whiteness is a bad deal, It always was” and “whiteness gets to mess endlessly with the lives of people of color”. And “a whiteness contract with the devil”. Don’t you leftists tools get tired of being wrong all the time?

What’s wrong with telling the truth? We should stop because it hurts your feelings? Maybe you need a safe space.

[BuckSwope 654]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey @Dizkneelande in retrospect I don’t feel I’m being fair to you because I haven’t read the full book. I don’t find your arguments compelling but maybe they are; maybe it teaches something awful and entirely inappropriate. I note that you haven’t read it either. 
 

So I’ll make you an offer: I will shell out the money and read this book in its entirety (it shouldn’t take too much time) and then offer you an honest opinion IF you are willing to do the same. Maybe one or both of us will change our minds. Up to you. 

Probably don't need to buy it.  You probably can find it online or through a library - since you live in Cali.

[jerryskids 6,898]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

What’s wrong with telling the truth? We should stop because it hurts your feelings? Maybe you need a safe space.

I see you've jumped straight from phase 1 (it isn't happening) to phase 3 (it's good that it happens).  Usually you Leftists spend a little time first in phase 2 (it happens but it's rare).