Memphis Police Killing

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,243]

7 minutes ago, peenie said:

I doubt those 5 black police officers would’ve beat a 148 lb 5’11” white man. 

I bet it would have been exactly the same to any person who didn’t comply. Stats show it’s true

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7 minutes ago, peenie said:

I doubt those 5 black police officers would’ve beat a 148 lb 5’11” white man. 

 

Jason Whitlock:  

There is a racial element. And this is a story about young Black men and their inability to treat each other in a humane way. Everybody involved in this on the street level was either 24 to 32 years old. Everybody. It was a group of young Black men, five-on-one. Looked like gang violence to me.

[KSB2424 3,148]

You can’t be anti-police, attack cops and shout to defund the police in one breath and then complain that we need better cops in another.  

The trained and tenured cops are leaving.  And the 20 year old smart kids aren’t going into law enforcement and putting themselves in that environment.  So cities have to lower standards….eventually school janitors will be in the black and blue.  

Crime will keep rising and more instances like this will too. 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,151]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

Jason Whitlock:  

There is a racial element. And this is a story about young Black men and their inability to treat each other in a humane way. Everybody involved in this on the street level was either 24 to 32 years old. Everybody. It was a group of young Black men, five-on-one. Looked like gang violence to me.

So they were "jumping him in" to their gang, the MPD?

[peenie 1,905]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

Jason Whitlock:  

There is a racial element. And this is a story about young Black men and their inability to treat each other in a humane way. Everybody involved in this on the street level was either 24 to 32 years old. Everybody. It was a group of young Black men, five-on-one. Looked like gang violence to me.

About the only time I agree with Jason Whitlock.

[peenie 1,905]

Too often, racism is seen as a social phenomenon that happens to black people. But it happens through black people as well. That is, the negative associations thrust upon black people and black culture can color how we black people view each other. Blacks and whites receive the same narratives and images that perpetuate stereotypes of black criminality and flippancy while synonymizing white culture with American values. It is to be expected that there will be an observable impact on black intragroup perceptions.

[KSB2424 3,148]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

Too often, racism is seen as a social phenomenon that happens to black people. But it happens through black people as well. That is, the negative associations thrust upon black people and black culture can color how we black people view each other. Blacks and whites receive the same narratives and images that perpetuate stereotypes of black criminality and flippancy while synonymizing white culture with American values. It is to be expected that there will be an observable impact on black intragroup perceptions.

STFU.  How about taking some personal accountability for your own actions.  
 

Children constantly blame others, adults take personal accountability.  Grow up. 

[peenie 1,905]

4 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

STFU.  How about taking some personal accountability for your own actions.  
 

Children constantly blame others, adults take personal accountability.  Grow up. 

I was explaining why black police officers would brutally unlawfully beat another black person. 

Only a childlike frustrated mind uses profanity and insults to express thoughts.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

23 minutes ago, peenie said:

About the only time I agree with Jason Whitlock.

Didn't Whitlock blame this on black males being supervised by single black females?

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Didn't Whitlock blame this on the cops being supervised by single black females?

The police chief is black.

Most of the city council is black.

All of the police officers involved in the incident are black.

Naturally, it’s whiteys fault. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

5 minutes ago, peenie said:

I was explaining why black police officers would brutally unlawfully beat another black person. 

Only a childlike frustrated mind uses profanity and insults to express thoughts.

You didn’t type that, you copied and pasted without providing the link.  That’s plagiarism. Grow up. . 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yep. That’s the whole point. The racism is institutionalized. 

You need instituionalized..

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

51 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The real racism? Brian Kemp mobilizing the Georgia national guard because he heard black people would be protesting. No violence happened at all and the NG didn’t even have to come near the protests.

Funny, the recent climate change protests that DID get violent in Georgia involved mostly white people. Kemp didn’t get the NG out to defend against them. Reminds me of a violent riot 2 years ago in DC that involved mostly white people where they also didn’t activate the National Guard ahead of time.

Climate change protests. You’re just lying now. It all started because of a police training facility that was being built. 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

The fockers just can’t help themselves.  Bwahahahahah

 

"Black people and Black police officers can carry with them some of the same understandings or views of Black people as white police officers might," said Ralph Richard Banks, law professor and faculty director of the Stanford Center for Racial Justice. "There’s nothing that immunizes them.”

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

Cant people just look past the color and say

Cops focked up and need to be jailed..that was a terrible thing they did and how do we fix it??

I dont care what color...that sheit was wrong.

 

 

[Voltaire 5,203]

Usually when something like this happens, it turns out to be yet another bullsh*t Chicken Little situation, and I take the cops side. This is not one of those times. You have to back off after the suspect is detained, kicking and batoning a guy in handcuffs will not work. Maybe they let their guard down too much the first time, which gave him an opening to run away, and their heads snapped and they overreacted.

This is actually a real instance of police brutality and I cannot / will not justify their actions.

Sometimes, it's not bullsh*t.

[KSB2424 3,148]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

Usually when something like this happens, it turns out to be yet another bullsh*t Chicken Little situation, and I take the cops side. This is not one of those times. You have to back off after the suspect is detained, kicking and batoning a guy in handcuffs will not work. Maybe they let their guard down too much the first time, which gave him an opening to run away, and their heads snapped and they overreacted.

This is actually a real instance of police brutality and I cannot / will not justify their actions.

Sometimes, it's not bullsh*t.

Absolutely.  And they were fired and arrested for 2nd Degree Murder.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

And so the cycle begins once again. An instance of justifiable rage is upon us, something has to be done, so whatever politician that is in charge will have do something, which will result in less enforcement,  crime will rise, people left behind will demand something is done about the crime, next politician will pledge to do something about the crime, there will be another incident , real or imagined, something has to be done again,  cops will pull back, crime will rise…….

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

3 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Cant people just look past the color and say

Cops focked up and need to be jailed..that was a terrible thing they did and how do we fix it??

I dont care what color...that sheit was wrong.

 

 

 No, the commie leftists can’t help themselves.

[peenie 1,905]

19 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Didn't Whitlock blame this on black males being supervised by single black females?

He’s such a moron. I really dislike him. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,243]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

He’s such a moron. I really dislike him. 

Uncle Tom 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

10 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Cant people just look past the color and say

Cops focked up and need to be jailed..that was a terrible thing they did and how do we fix it??

I dont care what color...that sheit was wrong.

 

 

But then how does your side win?  Isn't it all about winning now?

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

Good morning. There was no rioting last night in Memphis. 
Perhaps we can put our (rather strong and intense) disagreements aside for a moment and all be thankful about this, and hope that the peace continues? 

[Engorgeous George 2,151]

I would love to have some toxicology reports on the officers from immediately after the incident.  I believe all departments should have to run toxicology reports on officers after applications of force resulting in death or even visible injury.

 

These cops seemed inappropriately agitated in light of the circumstances as we know them.  They were confused in light of their training and in application of tactics.  They communicated and coordinated poorly among and between themselves and with the suspect.  Finally, they became winded rather fast, though adreniline can do that to you too when coming down.  I just think those authorized to use force, incliuding deadly force, ought to be accountable.  We are entitled to review everything about them surrounding applications of force.

[dogcows 1,030]

12 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Absolutely.  And they were fired and arrested for 2nd Degree Murder.  

Which might have been a factor in why protests were peaceful. The BLM protests weren’t just about police brutality. They were about a complete lack of accountability for police officers. Hopefully, accountability becomes the norm instead of the exception. That would help build trust between the people and the police.

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

But then how does your side win?  Isn't it all about winning now?

No. 

Look I am glad you and others acknowledge that this was a bad incident and the cops deserve to be punished. But in addition to that, I and millions of others believe that it’s also a racial incident, that the victim’s skin color played a central part in how he was treated. We believe this because of the countless examples of black victims at the hands of police in recent years. I could offer you a dozen names just off the top of my head. I don’t want to. 

But- whether or not you disagree with me (and I’m guessing you do) this isn’t a game. It isn’t about politics or liberals vs conservatives. It IS about winning or losing, but we are trying to win a society in which this sh!t doesn’t happen. That’s all. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Which might have been a factor in why protests were peaceful. The BLM protests weren’t just about police brutality. They were about a complete lack of accountability for police officers. Hopefully, accountability becomes the norm instead of the exception. That would help build trust between the people and the police.

“Complete lack of accountability “.  That statement right there is just as dumb as if I said they are always held accountable. Stop being so dumb. Again, never acknowledge progress.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,243]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. 

Look I am glad you and others acknowledge that this was a bad incident and the cops deserve to be punished. But in addition to that, I and millions of others believe that it’s also a racial incident, that the victim’s skin color played a central part in how he was treated. We believe this because of the countless examples of black victims at the hands of police in recent years. I could offer you a dozen names just off the top of my head. I don’t want to. 

But- whether or not you disagree with me (and I’m guessing you do) this isn’t a game. It isn’t about politics or liberals vs conservatives. It IS about winning or losing, but we are trying to win a society in which this sh!t doesn’t happen. That’s all. 

there are more white names on that list but keep going with the narrative

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,243]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

“Complete lack of accountability “.  That statement right there is just as dumb as if I said they are always held accountable. Stop being so dumb. 

every single time there has been accountability and justice

 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Which might have been a factor in why protests were peaceful. The BLM protests weren’t just about police brutality. They were about a complete lack of accountability for police officers. Hopefully, accountability becomes the norm instead of the exception. That would help build trust between the people and the police.

I believe it’s absolutely a factor. And you’ll note how quickly the cops were arrested. When the cops are white, typically, there’s a 6 month or year long investigation before any charges are made, which is usually totally unnecessary. 

It also means that the next time white cops murder a black youth and there’s some long investigation, a lot of people are justifiably going to be very angry…

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

every single time there has been accountability and justice

 

That’s not true either. Cops get away with things sometimes as well. Maybe not the big media cases,  but on the day to day it happens.  

[Engorgeous George 2,151]

I would like for these directed enforcement units to not have "tough" or "machismo" validating names like scorpion unit or crash unit.  I think that contributes to an attitude among the menbers of being some as$-kicking warrior cult.  Call them community expectation compliance monitors and they would approach their jobs with a different attitude.

 

Don't dress them in black.  They do so to be intimidating and that rubs off on their psyches.  Dress them in the old Tamps Bay Bucs orangesicle colors or Detroit Lion Honolulu blue.  History proved you cannot be tough while wearing those colors.

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

every single time there has been accountability and justice

 

No. Like Craftsman’s earlier assertion that cops are always prosecuted, this is a ridiculously complete reversal of reality. 

[Engorgeous George 2,151]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. 

Look I am glad you and others acknowledge that this was a bad incident and the cops deserve to be punished. But in addition to that, I and millions of others believe that it’s also a racial incident, that the victim’s skin color played a central part in how he was treated. We believe this because of the countless examples of black victims at the hands of police in recent years. I could offer you a dozen names just off the top of my head. I don’t want to. 

But- whether or not you disagree with me (and I’m guessing you do) this isn’t a game. It isn’t about politics or liberals vs conservatives. It IS about winning or losing, but we are trying to win a society in which this sh!t doesn’t happen. That’s all. 

Is it an awesome burden and responsibility to be the voice of millions?

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s not true either. Cops get away with things sometimes as well. Maybe not the big media cases,  but on the day to day it happens.  

Thank you. I disagree with you so much of the time, but I generally find you consistent and honest. 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Is it an awesome burden and responsibility to be the voice of millions?

It is both. Somehow though I manage. 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

 Dress them in the old Tamps Bay Bucs orangesicle colors or Detroit Lion Honolulu blue.  History proved you cannot be tough while wearing those colors.

My first laugh of the morning! Thanks 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

I have raised this issue before.  Cops overuse the resisting arrest charge, and prosecutors won’t prosecute even obvious instances of it. They will also throw out the resisting charge if the top charge is dismissed.  There needs to be movement from both sides on this. It just results in non compliance doing it this way. 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

What happened in Memphis is what Colin Kaepernick kneeled about. This is why he kneeled. 
 

Will they play the National Anthem on TV tomorrow? If so it will not surprise me if some players kneel. Or if there is some other kind of demonstration. 

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