Another School Shooting

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

This time it was at Michigan St. last night.

 

[supermike80 1,907]

My former Home.  Sad.  Thankfully everyone I know who has family there seems to be OK.

 

[Cdub100 3,906]

My niece who was at the Oxford shooting is a freshman at MSU. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

The sun is coming up there now.  Stay strong Spartans.

[RLLD 4,230]

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

7 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

My niece who was at the Oxford shooting is a freshman at MSU. 

Looks like the odds of being involved in multiple school shootings is increasing.

 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Dude apparently had absolutely no connection to the university so far.

 

Well hell, I guess even stupid people get grumpy.

[Alias Detective 1,400]

no mention of weapon used either.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

10 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

no mention of weapon used either.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,421]

Many colleges and universities, especially the woke ones, are open campuses.  

[DonS 3,292]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Many colleges and universities, especially the woke ones, are open campuses.  

At parent orientation before my daughter started at University of Washington (in Seattle) I asked how they dealt with homeless and if they had issues.  The lead security lady said they can't prevent them from entering any of the buildings because they are technically public property. 

 

[Alias Detective 1,400]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Thanks.  Who is Robby Starbucks?  Is he the same at Hawkeye69696969696?
 

 

[DonS 3,292]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

At least this shooter fits the narrative of all mass shooters being white dudes, right? 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

I’m hearing the same liberal voices this morning making the same arguments for more gun laws and restrictions. And it’s dishonest, because of this fact: there are no proposed new gun restrictions that would have prevented this crime, or even made it more unlikely. If I am wrong about this fact, hopefully somebody will correct me. But I don’t think I am. 

Don’t get me wrong, I am in favor or many of the proposed restrictions. I think they will serve to make us safer as a society in general. But to insist that they are necessary because of mass shootings, that they will have any effect on mass shootings, is disingenuous IMO. 

[Strike 5,538]

No one would have been shot if only the people tasked with keeping us safe just did their jobs:

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Anthony McRae was arrested in Lansing and charged in June 2019 with carrying a concealed pistol without a concealed carry permit, according to Ingham County court records obtained Tuesday by The Detroit News. The initial charge was a felony that carried a potential penalty of five years in prison, according to the records.

At about 3 a.m. June 7, 2019, an officer encountered Anthony McRae in Lansing where the officer asked him if he had any weapons on him. McRae acknowledged he had a gun but he didn’t have a concealed weapons permit, according to court records. McRae also had a magazine in his right breast pocket, according to the court records.

“He advised the handgun was registered to him,” a court document about the incident said. “He bought it late March at Capital Discount. He was currently trying to obtain a concealed weapons permit.

In October 2019, Ingham County prosecutors added a second charge against McRae: possession of a loaded firearm in a vehicle, a misdemeanor.

That same month, October 2019, McRae agreed to plead guilty to the lesser misdemeanor charge, and prosecutors dismissed the felony charge.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/02/14/michigan-state-university-msu-shooter-anthony-mcrae-gun-conviction-with-weapons-history/69901983007/

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

No one would have been shot if only the people tasked with keeping us safe just did their jobs:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/02/14/michigan-state-university-msu-shooter-anthony-mcrae-gun-conviction-with-weapons-history/69901983007/

I don’t really think having a concealed weapon these days deserves prison time, do you? As a first offense? It’s a crime but it seems relatively mild. 

[Alias Detective 1,400]

Is this a hate crime?  

[DonS 3,292]

39 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Is this a hate crime?  

Un-possible.  We've been instructed that non-Caucasian individuals are incapable of racism because they don't have the powah.

And if it IS determined to be racist then it is still whiteys fault.  (see black Memphis cops beating a black kid to death). 

[Voltaire 5,316]

3 hours ago, DonS said:

At least this shooter fits the narrative of all mass shooters being white dudes, right? 

Not this time, no.

[TimHauck 2,866]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t really think having a concealed weapon these days deserves prison time, do you? As a first offense? It’s a crime but it seems relatively mild. 

Curious to hear @Strike’s answer to this

[Hardcore troubadour 15,421]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t really think having a concealed weapon these days deserves prison time, do you? As a first offense? It’s a crime but it seems relatively mild. 

I think it should result in some jail time, maybe not too much, but I would settle for someone using a gun in the commission of a crime to get prison time. Unfortunately, George Soros and his hand picked DA’s don’t. 

[MDC 7,408]

5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Looks like the odds of being involved in multiple school shootings is increasing.

 

Stay away from that girl!  

[DonS 3,292]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Stay away from that girl!  

No sh1t.  She's like a mass shooting lightning rod. 

[DonS 3,292]

18 minutes ago, MDC said:

Stay away from that girl!  

Maybe this a Final Destination type situation? 

[5-Points 3,526]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t really think having a concealed weapon these days deserves prison time, do you? As a first offense? It’s a crime but it seems relatively mild. 

So illegally carrying a concealed weapon shouldn't be prosecuted?

More "common sense" gun control brought to you by the left. 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

So illegally carrying a concealed weapon shouldn't be prosecuted?

More "common sense" gun control brought to you by the left. 

Of course it should be prosecuted. And it was in this instance. I don’t think it deserves jail time (if it’s a first offense and no other crime was committed). 
 

@Strike and @Hardcore troubadour are trying to blame this horrible crime on liberal prosecutors. It’s the usual ridiculous BS. 

[MDC 7,408]

1 hour ago, DonS said:

No sh1t.  She's like a mass shooting lightning rod. 

 

 

[Strike 5,538]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course it should be prosecuted. And it was in this instance. I don’t think it deserves jail time (if it’s a first offense and no other crime was committed). 
 

@Strike and @Hardcore troubadour are trying to blame this horrible crime on liberal prosecutors. It’s the usual ridiculous BS. 

Listen sh*t for brains.  I never BLAMED anyone.   But, if it's not obvious, the shooter is to blame.  My position is it could have been prevented.  That's not blaming someone for a current event.  It's lamenting how we could prevented that event from ever occurring. 

[5-Points 3,526]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course it should be prosecuted. And it was in this instance. I don’t think it deserves jail time (if it’s a first offense and no other crime was committed). 
 

@Strike and @Hardcore troubadour are trying to blame this horrible crime on liberal prosecutors. It’s the usual ridiculous BS. 

It was plead down from a felony, which would've prohibited this nutjob from possessing any firearms, to a misdemeanor, which allowed him to legally possess the gun he used in this crime. 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Listen sh*t for brains.  I never BLAMED anyone.   But, if it's not obvious, the shooter is to blame.  My position is it could have been prevented.  That's not blaming someone for a current event.  It's lamenting how we could prevented that event from ever occurring. 

You were attacking a prosecutor for being too “liberal”. And it’s stupid. Concealed carry doesn’t deserve prison time. You’re being ridiculous. 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

It was plead down from a felony, which would've prohibited this nutjob from possessing any firearms, to a misdemeanor, which allowed him to legally possess the gun he used in this crime. 

So what? I don’t think it should be a felony, do you? 
It would very much surprise me if many conservatives believed that a first time offender deserves a felony conviction for concealed carry. 
 

More importantly, the reason we have so many of these plea deals in the first place is because the system is so bogged down. We need more money and a whole lot more judges. But every time this is proposed Republicans shoot it down. You get what you pay for. 

[Strike 5,538]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You were attacking a prosecutor for being too “liberal”. And it’s stupid. Concealed carry doesn’t deserve prison time. You’re being ridiculous. 

No I wasn't.   Show me in my post where I once mentioned the word liberal.  I know nothing about this prosecutor or the one who was in office in 2019 when he was arrested on gun charges if it was a different DA.  And I've been consistent for years in wanting the law to go after gun crimes harshly.  Why?  Because punishments in our legal system tend to be ladder like.  Each time you get his with a charge the penalty goes up because it shows a pattern.  So, when you plea down an illegal possession of a gun charge, which should be serious, down to a disturbing the peace charge with a fine, you keep the perp lower on that ladder.  You can go find my posts on FBG's saying the same thing.  As I've told you for years, I care about issues, not parties.  I've never registered with a party and never will.  Can you say the same?  If my views seem to skew conservative to you that's only because the lefties are loons right now. 

So, you gonna show me in my post where I mentioned liberals or you gonna be full of sh*t again?  I don't know why I bother with you other than making you look stupid. 

[5-Points 3,526]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So what? I don’t think it should be a felony, do you? 
It would very much surprise me if many conservatives believed that a first time offender deserves a felony conviction for concealed carry. 
 

More importantly, the reason we have so many of these plea deals in the first place is because the system is so bogged down. We need more money and a whole lot more judges. But every time this is proposed Republicans shoot it down. You get what you pay for. 

If we aren't going to enforce the laws already on the books, anybody clamoring for further gun control can shove it up their ass.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

Just now, Strike said:

No I wasn't.   Show me in my post where I once mentioned the word liberal.  I know nothing about this prosecutor or the one who was in office in 2019 when he was arrested on gun charges if it was a different DA.  And I've been consistent for years in wanting the law to go after gun crimes harshly.  Why?  Because punishments in our legal system tend to be ladder like.  Each time you get his with a charge the penalty goes up because it shows a pattern.  So, when you plea down an illegal possession of a gun charge, which should be serious, down to a disturbing the peace charge with a fine, you keep the perp lower on that ladder.  You can go find my posts on FBG's saying the same thing.  As I've told you for years, I care about issues, not parties.  I've never registered with a party and never will.  Can you say the same?  If my views seem to skew conservative to you that's only because the lefties are loons right now. 

So, you gonna show me in my post where I mentioned liberals or you gonna be full of sh*t again?

First off I don’t give a fuk about your lack of party affiliation. Big effing deal. I’ve been a Democrat and voted Republican. I’ve been a Republican and voted Democrat. You want someone to kiss your a$$ because you care about issues and not parties? Good luck with that. 
 

Second I know exactly what you were trying to do. When Hardcore made his foolish comment about George Soros in response to your idiot post, why didn’t you correct him? Why didn’t you say “oh that’s not what I meant”. Because you were waiting for me? You’re a pompous dude who doesn’t deserve your high opinion of yourself. 

[Strike 5,538]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off I don’t give a fuk about your lack of party affiliation. Big effing deal. I’ve been a Democrat and voted Republican. I’ve been a Republican and voted Democrat. You want someone to kiss your a$$ because you care about issues and not parties? Good luck with that. 
 

Second I know exactly what you were trying to do. When Hardcore made his foolish comment about George Soros in response to your idiot post, why didn’t you correct him? Why didn’t you say “oh that’s not what I meant”. Because you were waiting for me? You’re a pompous dude who doesn’t deserve your high opinion of yourself. 

So, you know what I was trying to do because I didn't comment on something someone posted AFTER I posted my comment?  WTF is wrong with you?  You seriously have some cognitive issues dude.  You think black cops beating up black people in a black city equals white racism.  You just have very odd thought processes. 

As far as HT goes, he's entitled to his opinion.  Unlike you I let others have their own opinions.  And I won't say it applies to THIS situation, but he's right about Soros helping nutjob DA's get elected who care more about freeing criminals than enforcing the laws they were elected to enforce.  But nothing in my post, or lack or responding to his, has anything to do with any of this.  You're just looking to deflect from the idiotic assumptions you made (again). 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,421]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So what? I don’t think it should be a felony, do you? 
It would very much surprise me if many conservatives believed that a first time offender deserves a felony conviction for concealed carry. 
 

More importantly, the reason we have so many of these plea deals in the first place is because the system is so bogged down. We need more money and a whole lot more judges. But every time this is proposed Republicans shoot it down. You get what you pay for. 

Republicans in blue states are the ones getting in the way ? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,421]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off I don’t give a fuk about your lack of party affiliation. Big effing deal. I’ve been a Democrat and voted Republican. I’ve been a Republican and voted Democrat. You want someone to kiss your a$$ because you care about issues and not parties? Good luck with that. 
 

Second I know exactly what you were trying to do. When Hardcore made his foolish comment about George Soros in response to your idiot post, why didn’t you correct him? Why didn’t you say “oh that’s not what I meant”. Because you were waiting for me? You’re a pompous dude who doesn’t deserve your high opinion of yourself. 

What is there to correct about Soros and his hand picked DA’s not prosecuting crimes? 

[TimHauck 2,866]

13 hours ago, Strike said:

No one would have been shot if only the people tasked with keeping us safe just did their jobs:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/02/14/michigan-state-university-msu-shooter-anthony-mcrae-gun-conviction-with-weapons-history/69901983007/

Weird, you left the below of out of your quote.

And even if he went to jail, he probably could’ve been out by now since most people don’t actually serve their full terms.

Sounds like the police could’ve looked more seriously at him shooting out of his house in a city though.

Ingham County Prosecutor John Dewane, who was appointed to his position in December, argued that, even if McRae had been convicted on the original charge, he likely would have avoided jail or prison time because sentencing guidelines for the two charges are similar and would have resulted in a recommendation against incarceration.

“The sentencing guideline score would have been the same if he had been convicted of either the original charge (Carrying a Concealed Weapon) or the offense for which he was convicted (carrying a firearm in a vehicle),” Dewane said in a statement.

[supermike80 1,907]

8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Republicans in blue states are the ones getting in the way ? 

Ha...Well another take from the Timster, and believe me I know from his incessant postings at FGB, is that republicans are always bad.  In all cases, everytime.   Anytime something doesn't go right, it's the republicans fault.

That and he is an abject racist---blacks simply cannot succeed in America without white help. Period.  And doesn't understand the media at all.  

But you will learn these things soon enough, if you haven't already.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Ha...Well another take from the Timster, and believe me I know from his incessant postings at FGB, is that republicans are always bad.  In all cases, everytime.   Anytime something doesn't go right, it's the republicans fault.

That and he is an abject racist---blacks simply cannot succeed in America without white help. Period.  And doesn't understand the media at all.  

But you will learn these things soon enough, if you haven't already.

So a slightly modified White Man's Burden thing?  Timschochet's Burden.  He is like a medium, he communes with the spirits of all African Americans, divine's their pain, divines the root cause as institutional racism, and then communicates that back to us.  Imagine had he not been born.  How would we ever understand the black experience?

 

He also does Japanese and Jews, but his speciality is African Americans.