The Earth is Cooling and the Climate Extremists (Democrats) are a threat to Democracy

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Diz doesn't invest in stocks because they lose money

That’s not true either dummy 

[MDC 7,431]

4 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

I post data from NOAA 

You posted a Tweet from a guy from Junk Science.  

Here’s a Link to the report.

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The year 2022 was the sixth warmest year since global records began in 1880 at 0.86°C (1.55°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F). This value is 0.13°C (0.23°F) less than the record set in 2016 and it is only 0.02°C (0.04°F) higher than the last year's (2021) value, which now ranks as the seventh highest. The 10 warmest years in the 143-year record have all occurred since 2010, with the last nine years (2014–2022) ranking as the nine warmest years on record…

Despite the last two years (2021 and 2022) not ranking among the five warmest years on record, the global annual temperature increased at an average rate of 0.08°C (0.14°F) per decade since 1880 and over twice that rate (0.18°C / 0.32°F) since 1981.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

That’s not true either dummy 

Why do you invest in stocks if the market is tanking as it's been the past year?

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

Global warming causing the first snow storm in Saudi Arabia in 100 years. 
 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

I think it might be not entirely true to say it is cooling.  According to NOAA the steady warming has been true for decades now, and while the last couple of years have been cooler, we remain in a warming period.

Saying it’s cooling is like when Biden says he lowered inflation….it’s utter nonsense.

could we see a cooling trend, sure, but we need to wait. The climate will warm and cool and there is little we can do to impact that. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

52 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think it might be not entirely true to say it is cooling.  According to NOAA the steady warming has been true for decades now, and while the last couple of years have been cooler, we remain in a warming period.

Saying it’s cooling is like when Biden says he lowered inflation….it’s utter nonsense.

could we see a cooling trend, sure, but we need to wait. The climate will warm and cool and there is little we can do to impact that. 

Well duh but will the ecogrifters and Dems abandon their GND & net-zero initiatives which are drowning the working and middle class in costs?

[RLLD 4,230]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

Well duh but will the ecogrifters and Dems abandon their GND & net-zero initiatives which are drowning the working and middle class in costs?

Liberals like to latch on to anything that establishes social capital in their circles, even if it means hurting people. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

Well duh but will the ecogrifters and Dems abandon their GND & net-zero initiatives which are drowning the working and middle class in costs?

So your whole cooling thread is just trolling?

[MDC 7,431]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So your whole cooling thread is just trolling?

Either that or he was stupid enough to believe the tweet he reposted.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So your whole cooling thread is just trolling?

The earth is in a 8 year cooling cycle - fact. C02 does not cause catastrophic climate changes - fact. Cold environments kill a heck of a lot more people than warm environment - fact. We have (allegedly) added 1.4 extra molecules of CO2 per 10,000 from 2.8 to 4.2, over 70 years. Only a Fool would believe that is the lone "control knob" and only the supremely corrupted and stupid could believe more taxes on working people can alter the weather. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

Either that or he was stupid enough to believe the tweet he reposted.

Did excess atmospheric C02 cause it to snow in Saudi Arabia 100 years ago yes or no?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

33 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The earth is in a 8 year cooling cycle - fact. C02 does not cause catastrophic climate changes - fact. Cold environments kill a heck of a lot more people than warm environment - fact. We have (allegedly) added 1.4 extra molecules of CO2 per 10,000 from 2.8 to 4.2, over 70 years. Only a Fool would believe that is the lone "control knob" and only the supremely corrupted and stupid could believe more taxes on working people can alter the weather. 

You're retarded - fact.

[MDC 7,431]

42 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Did excess atmospheric C02 cause it to snow in Saudi Arabia 100 years ago yes or no?

You missed that NOAA report I missed earlier. I figured you’d be interested in what they have to say, since you respect them as an anuthority and all.  

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You're retarded - fact.

Nice rebuttal

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

 

[League Champion 1,911]

These damn Cows need to stop farting or we'll all be dead in 5 million years. 

Don't worry people, the sun grows as nuclear fusion breaks down, naturally with age. We'll be overheated and bombarded by radiation long before anything else. It won't be emissions. Keep pushing that narrative though, the herd will follow. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

 

Why do you insist on showing us all how dumb you are.  You got destroyed in this thread and you keep coming back.  Insane.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

These damn Cows need to stop farting or we'll all be dead in 5 million years. 

Don't worry people, the sun grows as nuclear fusion breaks down, naturally with age. We'll be overheated and bombarded by radiation long before anything else. It won't be emissions. Keep pushing that narrative though, the herd will follow. 

Yeah, in 7 BILLION years the sun will die, so nothing else matters.  You're a joke, shut up.

[League Champion 1,911]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah, in 7 BILLION years the sun will die,

The sun will burn us up long before it burns itself out Lipstick Lib Boy! 

Your farting cows and gas stoves make no difference. So go find something else to flake out about. 

You should be worrying about what bathroom your husband can use, not this. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,438]

Plant more trees. Lots of them. That would be a great infrastructure project.  Everyone wins. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

 

[avoiding injuries 1,585]

On 3/4/2023 at 9:46 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Plant more trees. Lots of them. That would be a great infrastructure project.  Everyone wins. 

Especially at my local Christmas tree farm. We had to get there right after thanksgiving to cut a good one down. 

[lod001 1,344]

On 2/25/2023 at 9:57 PM, Dizkneelande said:

Global warming causing the first snow storm in Saudi Arabia in 100 years. 

 

And this as well:

Lake Tahoe’s Emerald Bay completely freezes over for the first time in 30 years

The climate changes, yes...all the time, every year. That's why they flipped from 'global warming' to 'climate change'.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

On 3/6/2023 at 6:47 AM, Dizkneelande said:

 

Yes, and under the Paris agreement they can do this until 2030. I’m sure glad Biden re-up for this.

[jerryskids 6,799]

Another rainy day in Phoenix.

 

[nobody 2,673]

Allow me to explain

The earth's environment is a giant multivariable feedback loop dominated by external stimulus from the sun.  What I mean by multivariable feedback loop is that the distance from the sun, current temperature, humidity, pressure solar activity and to a lesser extent volcanic activity, CO2 levels, pollution, and thousands of other things that influence the future climate.

Stable systems want to return to an equilibrium point relative to what we call a time constant.  For feedback control systems like cruise control in our car, that time constant is measured in seconds.  For things like the DSP filter in your phone, the time constant is measured in milliseconds.  For our environment, that time constant is measured in weeks and months for certain outputs and potentially years and decades for others. 

For our purposes, we like to look at temperature as the main output, which you'd expect to settle in days/weeks when there is a change to the inputs whether that's the temperature of the sun, distance from the sun, and the thousands of other things, and what happens when there is a large change to the conditions, the system sometimes responds by overshooting the equilibrium point, and then if we're in that overshot condition and the inputs to the system change again, we overcorrect the other direction.  

Essentially, what I'm saying is extremes in any direction have the potential to beget extremes in the opposite direction.

All that is to say it makes sense to track extreme weather vis-a-vis climate change, but the biggest factor is always going to be the sun in the climate.  CO2 levels may contribute, but any kind of solar "seasonality" that could last centuries likely would have a much bigger effect on climate and we have know way of tracking that throughout history.

In other words, climate scientists suck.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Another rainy day in Phoenix.

 

The Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai 2022 Volcano Eruption is the cause. It shot tens of billions of gallons of water into the atmosphere. (Over 30 miles into the atmosphere) I read it will take up to 7 years for all the water to dissipate.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

27 minutes ago, nobody said:

Allow me to explain

The earth's environment is a giant multivariable feedback loop dominated by external stimulus from the sun.  What I mean by multivariable feedback loop is that the distance from the sun, current temperature, humidity, pressure solar activity and to a lesser extent volcanic activity, CO2 levels, pollution, and thousands of other things that influence the future climate.

Stable systems want to return to an equilibrium point relative to what we call a time constant.  For feedback control systems like cruise control in our car, that time constant is measured in seconds.  For things like the DSP filter in your phone, the time constant is measured in milliseconds.  For our environment, that time constant is measured in weeks and months for certain outputs and potentially years and decades for others. 

For our purposes, we like to look at temperature as the main output, which you'd expect to settle in days/weeks when there is a change to the inputs whether that's the temperature of the sun, distance from the sun, and the thousands of other things, and what happens when there is a large change to the conditions, the system sometimes responds by overshooting the equilibrium point, and then if we're in that overshot condition and the inputs to the system change again, we overcorrect the other direction.  

Essentially, what I'm saying is extremes in any direction have the potential to beget extremes in the opposite direction.

All that is to say it makes sense to track extreme weather vis-a-vis climate change, but the biggest factor is always going to be the sun in the climate.  CO2 levels may contribute, but any kind of solar "seasonality" that could last centuries likely would have a much bigger effect on climate and we have know way of tracking that throughout history.

In other words, climate scientists suck.

Climate change is the result of the different orbits of the planets in our solar system. The earth’s orbit is affected primarily by the gravitational pull of Jupiter and thus is moved closer and farther from the sun as the planets move closer together and farther apart. It’s is the same principle as the moon effecting our ocean tides.

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

This levee is 70 years old and has failed numerous times since the 40s. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/us/california-storm-pajaro-levee.html

Acres and acres of farmland flooded and need to be rebuilt from scratch, basically. Newsome was out there talking about it and ONLY mentioned climate change and the "whiplash" that CA has received from weather. 

He didn't really comment much on things he HAS control over, like fixing our levee system. 

Yeah, vote this guy for Pres. He'll fix all the stuff. 

[Gepetto 1,368]

 

Solar energy fails

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rooftop-solar-industry-could-verge-145455396.html

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

18 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

 

Solar energy fails

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rooftop-solar-industry-could-verge-145455396.html

It’s not the answer to climate change, IMO. Sorry green people. 
 

The answer to climate change is nuclear fusion. We need to get off our asses and fund it. Much as I despise Donald Trump, if he were to right now offer to invest 500 billion on nuclear fusion research and development (I’m told this is what it would take) AND I was convinced he meant it and could get Congress to go along with him (couple of big Ifs) I would vote for him. Nothing is more important than this. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

On 2/17/2023 at 8:53 AM, Dizkneelande said:

The earth is cooling despite adding 17% of total manmade CO2 since
2015. Zero warming. We are being lied to.

Remember: They want you to bike to work to save the planet. So all CO2 should matter!

 

Soon they'll just call it "Global". 

[nobody 2,673]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not the answer to climate change, IMO. Sorry green people. 
 

The answer to climate change is nuclear fusion. We need to get off our asses and fund it. Much as I despise Donald Trump, if he were to right now offer to invest 500 billion on nuclear fusion research and development (I’m told this is what it would take) AND I was convinced he meant it and could get Congress to go along with him (couple of big Ifs) I would vote for him. Nothing is more important than this. 

First.  You would never vote for Trump.

Second. They wouldn't even know what to do with 500 billion

Third. You guys crack me up.  You read a couple of press releases on someone creating a fusion reaction and you immediately want to put all of our eggs in that basket.  The right move would be to give them 50 million to conduct a study on feasibility and what effects we probably don't know yet.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

9 minutes ago, nobody said:

First.  You would never vote for Trump.

Second. They wouldn't even know what to do with 500 billion

Third. You guys crack me up.  You read a couple of press releases on someone creating a fusion reaction and you immediately want to put all of our eggs in that basket.  The right move would be to give them 50 million to conduct a study on feasibility and what effects we probably don't know yet.

Nope. We’ve looked enough into it. Time to invest. 
 

And there is no “you guys”. Believe me I wish there  were. But when I discuss this subject with my liberal friends they express a fear and ignorance that is depressing and frightening. I can’t find any that agree with me. I have conservative friends who agree with me on nuclear energy in general but balk at the investment involved. So I seem to be alone on this one. I’d love to see a mass movement but it ain’t happening. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

I just started deep diving into this polar shift stuff and that’s the real mind fock.  The earth right now is currently in an oval pattern which happens when the magnetic poles start to move.  It supposed to potentially occur really quick if it does.  The equator could become the North or South Pole 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nope. We’ve looked enough into it. Time to invest. 
 

And there is no “you guys”. Believe me I wish there  were. But when I discuss this subject with my liberal friends they express a fear and ignorance that is depressing and frightening. I can’t find any that agree with me. I have conservative friends who agree with me on nuclear energy in general but balk at the investment involved. So I seem to be alone on this one. I’d love to see a mass movement but it ain’t happening. 

I agree with you 100%. So much so that if instead of investing everything we have into all these other bs energy sources and climate agendas over the last 50 years we would all have mini reactors in our garage next to our water heater (ran by that reactor) and infinite power. 
 

why haven’t we?  Same reason why they made filaments burn out in lightbulbs. They can’t have a solution that is impossible to monetize 

[Gepetto 1,368]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I just started deep diving into this polar shift stuff and that’s the real mind fock.  The earth right now is currently in an oval pattern which happens when the magnetic poles start to move.  It supposed to potentially occur really quick if it does.  The equator could become the North or South Pole 

Earth's Obliquity Today

Today, on January 28, 2024 at noon, Earth's axial tilt, or mean obliquity was 23.43615° or 23°26'10.1".

Earth's mean obliquity today is about 0.00001°, or 0.04", less than 30 days ago.

The Arctic and Antarctic circles today are 1.2 m (4 ft) closer to the poles, and the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn are equally closer to the equator than 30 days ago.

Earth: The living planet

The Tilt Changes

In a repeating cycle that lasts about 41,000 years, Earth's axial tilt oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. This change in obliquity is caused by gravitational forces from the Sun, the Moon, and other planets.

Acts Like Two Spinning Tops

Axial precession can be described as a slow gyration of Earth's axis about another line intersecting it. A complete wobble of Earth's axis takes around 26,000 years. It outlines the shape of a pair of cones or two spinning tops connected at the tips, which would be at the center of Earth.

Ancient Discovery

Greek astronomer Hipparchus of Nicea is historically credited as the man who first proposed that Earths axis gradually shifts, though very slowly. Hipparchus made his discovery around 130 BCE, based on comparisons of astronomical observations more than a century apart.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/axial-tilt-obliquity.html

 

Is this what you're talking about by polar shift and oval pattern? Or something else?

[Gepetto 1,368]

23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nope. We’ve looked enough into it. Time to invest. 
 

And there is no “you guys”. Believe me I wish there  were. But when I discuss this subject with my liberal friends they express a fear and ignorance that is depressing and frightening. I can’t find any that agree with me. I have conservative friends who agree with me on nuclear energy in general but balk at the investment involved. So I seem to be alone on this one. I’d love to see a mass movement but it ain’t happening. 

I'm with you on this.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

21 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Earth's Obliquity Today

Today, on January 28, 2024 at noon, Earth's axial tilt, or mean obliquity was 23.43615° or 23°26'10.1".

Earth's mean obliquity today is about 0.00001°, or 0.04", less than 30 days ago.

The Arctic and Antarctic circles today are 1.2 m (4 ft) closer to the poles, and the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn are equally closer to the equator than 30 days ago.

Earth: The living planet

The Tilt Changes

In a repeating cycle that lasts about 41,000 years, Earth's axial tilt oscillates between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. This change in obliquity is caused by gravitational forces from the Sun, the Moon, and other planets.

Acts Like Two Spinning Tops

Axial precession can be described as a slow gyration of Earth's axis about another line intersecting it. A complete wobble of Earth's axis takes around 26,000 years. It outlines the shape of a pair of cones or two spinning tops connected at the tips, which would be at the center of Earth.

Ancient Discovery

Greek astronomer Hipparchus of Nicea is historically credited as the man who first proposed that Earths axis gradually shifts, though very slowly. Hipparchus made his discovery around 130 BCE, based on comparisons of astronomical observations more than a century apart.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/axial-tilt-obliquity.html

 

Is this what you're talking about by polar shift and oval pattern? Or something else?

Primarily. But I just watched something recently about it and it talks about how Antarctica was once not the souther most. And we are talking about a complete 90 I think shift 

 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]