cmh6476 997 Posted February 17, 2023 I mean, why not let them do it and make other teams figure out how to try and stop it. It's frustrating the Chiefs had so much trouble this year with short yardage situations, but I also don't know that I want to put our $500M QB in a situation that's as vulnerable as someone pushing from behind where people on the other side are trying to take off his head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,310 Posted February 17, 2023 It's a team game, leave it alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted February 17, 2023 It used to be illegal .. and I don't remember the NFL changing the Rule. They just started allowing it. And not just on Goalline plays or 1 yard to the Line to Gain. Now, the NFL is allowing it on many Plays where the Runner just doesn't go down. Some Plays an additional 3,4, 5 yards and more are gained. Just another thing the NFL does to help the Offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,108 Posted February 17, 2023 Another way of watering down what was once a sport worth watching. It’s now not worth watching. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,310 Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, kozmiq said: It used to be illegal .. and I don't remember the NFL changing the Rule. They just started allowing it. And not just on Goalline plays or 1 yard to the Line to Gain. Now, the NFL is allowing it on many Plays where the Runner just doesn't go down. Some Plays an additional 3,4, 5 yards and more are gained. Just another thing the NFL does to help the Offense. I never understood why it wouldn't be allowed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,561 Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, kozmiq said: It used to be illegal .. and I don't remember the NFL changing the Rule. They just started allowing it. And not just on Goalline plays or 1 yard to the Line to Gain. Now, the NFL is allowing it on many Plays where the Runner just doesn't go down. Some Plays an additional 3,4, 5 yards and more are gained. Just another thing the NFL does to help the Offense. Yeah, I wish they would move it back to making it illegal at all levels... Ain't isn't this the truth... There is nothing that helps the defense... I am surprised the intentional grounding is actually a loss of down still... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,108 Posted February 17, 2023 Don’t have any problem with the team doing what they can to help another achieve. After all that’s what team is all about, working together. I like it, leave it alone, no more changes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,310 Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, posty said: Yeah, I wish they would move it back to making it illegal at all levels... Ain't isn't this the truth... There is nothing that helps the defense... I am surprised the intentional grounding is actually a loss of down still... To bae fair, fans get upset and bored when there isn't as much scoring. Just look at all the people who think B1G football is so boring because they play play more defense and don't spread the ball around as much. Iowa gets criticized as being the most boring team to watch because they are a defense first team. Offense is what sells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,561 Posted February 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: To bae fair, fans get upset and bored when there isn't as much scoring. Just look at all the people who think B1G football is so boring because they play play more defense and don't spread the ball around as much. Iowa gets criticized as being the most boring team to watch because they are a defense first team. Offense is what sells. Yeah unfortunately... If I turn into a game, I would much rather see a good defensive game then video game offense... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,310 Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, posty said: Yeah unfortunately... If I turn into a game, I would much rather see a good defensive game then video game offense... I've always been a fan of defense. I've been a Bears and Iowa fan my whole life and I played CB in high school. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 997 Posted February 17, 2023 I love a team with both a great offense and stifling defense Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted February 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, weepaws said: Another way of watering down what was once a sport worth watching. It’s now not worth watching. Good on you. Now you don't have to rush home after Church on Sundays to catch the early NFL game. You can hang around with the Deacons and discuss why Enoch isn't in the Bible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,448 Posted February 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, kozmiq said: It used to be illegal .. and I don't remember the NFL changing the Rule. They just started allowing it. And not just on Goalline plays or 1 yard to the Line to Gain. Now, the NFL is allowing it on many Plays where the Runner just doesn't go down. Some Plays an additional 3,4, 5 yards and more are gained. Just another thing the NFL does to help the Offense. Only guessing... they may have started allowing it because the defense did it. We see it all the time where there's 2 guys trying to stop a runner when 1, 2, 3, or more push on the backs of the defenders to stop the runner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,895 Posted February 17, 2023 BS, find a way to stop it. Don't outlaw a play because it works. Running backs get pushes all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted February 17, 2023 It doesn't matter how many Defenders push the Offensive Player and how many yards they push him back, he still gets forward progress. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,561 Posted February 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, kozmiq said: It doesn't matter how many Defenders push the Offensive Player and how many yards they push him back, he still gets forward progress. Bingo… It was outlawed for a reason before, I wish they would reinstate it… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,310 Posted February 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, League Champion said: BS, find a way to stop it. Don't outlaw a play because it works. Running backs get pushes all the time. It reminds me of the people that want to get rid of the shift in baseball. What a joke, learn to hit to the opposite side of the field. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,895 Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: It reminds me of the people that want to get rid of the shift in baseball. What a joke, learn to hit to the opposite of the field. Exactly!!! There's a whole open field, hit the damn ball there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: It reminds me of the people that want to get rid of the shift in baseball. What a joke, learn to hit to the opposite of the field. I agree completely with your Baseball analogy. But in Football, they outlawed 2 Offensive Backfied Players moving at the same time .. so in your method, why not just let the Defense find a way to stop it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,310 Posted February 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, kozmiq said: I agree completely with your Baseball analogy. But in Football, they outlawed 2 Offensive Backfied Players moving at the same time .. so in your method, why not just let the Defense find a way to stop it. As far as I know that's been a rule in football for as long as I can remember. What's that have to do with pushing the person with the ball? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,895 Posted February 17, 2023 Then outlaw offensive lineman from blocking or pushing players for more yardage? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,775 Posted February 17, 2023 I thought this was about Kegel exercises. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: It reminds me of the people that want to get rid of the shift in baseball. What a joke, learn to hit to the opposite side of the field. 2 hours ago, League Champion said: Exactly!!! There's a whole open field, hit the damn ball there. Have you ever tried to hit an inside fastball to the opposite field? You have to work with what the pitcher gives you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,310 Posted February 17, 2023 Amazing how all the non-pull hitters can do it at just about every level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,978 Posted February 17, 2023 Didn't Patrick Mahomes dislocate his knee cap last year on just such a play? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,775 Posted February 17, 2023 What we need to do is bring back Mark Sanchez. He was a master at the tush pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,775 Posted February 17, 2023 46 minutes ago, vuduchile said: Have you ever tried to hit an inside fastball to the opposite field? You have to work with what the pitcher gives you. You can always tell the really good pitchers. Because they give you a reach around. And if you're lucky? Maybe even pull your hair a little bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 997 Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said: Didn't Patrick Mahomes dislocate his knee cap last year on just such a play? I think this is the angle they will use to eliminate the play; player safety. So they'll ignore the fan argument of whether it makes the game better or not to better protect the NFL's $35M per year investments at QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,694 Posted February 17, 2023 I don't think you could officiate pushing someone. Grabbing someone and pulling or carrying someone on the otherhand is much easier and less questionable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted February 17, 2023 5 hours ago, posty said: Yeah, I wish they would move it back to making it illegal at all levels... Ain't isn't this the truth... There is nothing that helps the defense... I am surprised the intentional grounding is actually a loss of down still... It’s nearly impossible to get intentional grounding anymore. If you leave in a TE or RB to block, they let the QB just throw the ball at the ground because that blocker was an eligible receiver. If you step “outside the pocket” you can just throw it away too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,694 Posted February 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, dogcows said: It’s nearly impossible to get intentional grounding anymore. You don't watch much football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,895 Posted February 18, 2023 3 hours ago, dogcows said: It’s nearly impossible to get intentional grounding anymore What???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,676 Posted February 18, 2023 The rugby sneak play had an 83 pct success rate last year. The NBA free throw rate is 77 pct. You guys must love extra points too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted February 18, 2023 https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1626326328352931842 Blandino says new #Broncos HC Sean Payton told him he's going to do it every game next year if they don't outlaw the rule. “It amounts to a rugby scrum. The NFL wants to showcase the athleticism and skill of our athletes. This is just not a skillful play." so argument FOR is: it helps the offense. argument AGAINST is: it is not a skillful play. theres other things that dont really require skill tho like taking a knee to run out the clock and the NFL is all about offense so it might stay in. hard to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,676 Posted March 24, 2023 So this play stays. So you really only need to get 9 yards in the first three downs for a first down. The last yard is a given. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,694 Posted March 24, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 11:07 AM, Hawkeye21 said: It's a team game, leave it alone. Anything team oriented should be allowed. Anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frank 2,264 Posted March 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Anything team oriented should be allowed. Anything. NTTAWWT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 6,922 Posted March 24, 2023 Helps if you have the best OL in football, a QB who can powerlift 600 lbs, and a coach with the balls to go for it on 4th and short. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,676 Posted March 24, 2023 There won’t be a team in the NFL that doesn’t do this next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 997 Posted March 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: There won’t be a team in the NFL that doesn’t do this next year. KC won't. Too much injury risk for an asset too valuable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
