Republican from Texas anti-drag bill author dresses in drag

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

According to gutterbot I’ve done drag. Me and my hs gf switched and she went as a baseball player and I wore her cheer stuff for homecoming week

So drag = cross dressing = acting/goofing off/role playing? 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

According to gutterbot I’ve done drag. Me and my hs gf switched and she went as a baseball player and I wore her cheer stuff for homecoming week

You fit in her outfit?

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

 

Apparently it isn't your position, because that is what the guy wearing a costume in your big gotcha video is trying to do.

https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-lawmaker-files-new-bill-to-ban-all-ages-drag-shows-in-texas/

We've already been through this jerry, fock man, his bill would make it so minors cannot attend any bar or restaurant that serves alcohol where a man is dressed like a woman.

That's not indoctrination of kids

[jerryskids 7,204]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

So drag = cross dressing = acting/goofing off/role playing? 

Apparently.  One halloween when I was around 12 I dressed up as a girl softball player (cheap costume, stuffed my chest for some ginormous tatas).  I just learned I'm a drag queen!   

[jerryskids 7,204]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

We've already been through this jerry, fock man, his bill would make it so minors cannot attend any bar or restaurant that serves alcohol where a man is dressed like a woman.

That's not indoctrination of kids

This seems like legislating from the extremes.  If not, can you give me an example of a common such occurrence? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,587]

13 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

You fit in her outfit?

Yah I was skinny in hs. If I could post the pic I would 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

I’ve been to RuPaul’s drag show in Vegas. Pretty sure it was an adults only venue but why shouldn’t children be allowed to see that? I don’t see the harm. Why make it illegal? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,587]

15 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

So drag = cross dressing = acting/goofing off/role playing? 

That’s what gutter thinks 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,587]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve been to RuPaul’s drag show in Vegas. Pretty sure it was an adults only venue but why shouldn’t children be allowed to see that? I don’t see the harm. Why make it illegal? 

Go to a real drag show and get back to me. Not some made for tv grooming event to normalize it 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,062]

Dumb tweet. Dumber post. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Go to a real drag show and get back to me. Not some made for tv grooming event to normalize it 

I’ve been to a real drag show. Some pretty blatant innuendo that is inappropriate for children, I get why that wouldn’t be allowed. But that’s the same as any adult comedy venue. 

However, the proposed legislation from Texas doesn’t distinguish between “real” drag shows and RuPaul’s cleaner version. It doesn’t discuss content at all, only the presence of the drag queens. 
 

Most of the time we let parents and the venues themselves decide this stuff. We don’t spend our time passing laws about it. Seems to me these kind of laws are Calvinistic in nature and rooted in paranoid fears. 

[GutterBoy 2,900]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

This seems like legislating from the extremes.  

Which is why it's silly to legislate this kind of stuff.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

This is my exact position as well.

Yet, all you do is argue with people with the same position.  Odd.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

That’s what gutter thinks 

I fully admit I dont know all of the drag/crossdressing terminology.  I've never worn a dress, I've never been to a drag show, i've never seen Rupaul's TV show.  So I'll defer to you guys who are the experts on this culture.  All I'm saying is that it's dumb to try and make it illegal, and even dumber when the guy trying to make it illegal participates in this behavior.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yet, all you do is argue with people with the same position.  Odd.

RLLD didn't mention anything about making it illegal, or supporting proud boys showing up at libraries, or it being amoral behavior, or pedos, or any of the other retarded sh1t that people on here say about dudes that put on dresses (I'm afraid to use the wrong term or raiders will make fun of me)

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

RLLD didn't mention anything about making it illegal, or supporting proud boys showing up at libraries, or it being amoral behavior, or pedos, or any of the other retarded sh1t that people on here say about dudes that put on dresses (I'm afraid to use the wrong term or raiders will make fun of me)

This is very odd.  You said that you "exactly" agree with a statement that included this: "BUT, do not pull kids into this and attempt to indoctrinate them".  You are now saying that it's not ok for people to protest when that exact thing is happening.  Very odd indeed.  Seems like you'd be ok with said protests.  No wonder you argue with everyone about it, because you're arguing against yourself on it.

[jerryskids 7,204]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

This is very odd.  You said that you "exactly" agree with a statement that included this: "BUT, do not pull kids into this and attempt to indoctrinate them".  You are now saying that it's not ok for people to protest when that exact thing is happening.  Very odd indeed.  Seems like you'd be ok with said protests.  No wonder you argue with everyone about it, because you're arguing against yourself on it.

I already pointed this out; don't waste your time, he has chosen not to respond to it.

12 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Which is why it's silly to legislate this kind of stuff.

And also chosen not to provide a common occurrence of "a restaurant that serves alcohol where a man is dressed like a woman" that would be illegal under the bill.  Because, psst, I was ready to concede such an occurrence and propose it be carved out as an exception.  Or like say if a waiter is transgender and that would be illegal, that's stupid and the bill should be cancelled or significantly changed.  But... nothing.

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

You support freedom… unless a child is around?  These kids aren’t just wandering in off the street. Their parents are taking them. Don’t you think the parents should be able to decide what to expose their own children to?

Not to mention that these drag queen story hours are not sexual shows. 

So, from your POV, why would a parent take a child to a drag show? What are they "exposing" them to that is beneficial? 

 

I am not being facetious or trying to start an argument, I am genuinely curious what your view is on why a child would need to be there. 

[Reality 3,139]

33 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Dumb tweet. Dumber post. 

This, OP is a focking idiot. 

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve been to RuPaul’s drag show in Vegas. Pretty sure it was an adults only venue but why shouldn’t children be allowed to see that? I don’t see the harm. Why make it illegal? 

Why should children be allowed to see an adults only show that contains nudity, innuendo, cursing, and who knows what else? What's the reason that a child should be allowed to be in there? 

 

[lickin_starfish 2,037]

2 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

this must be retard semantics game day!

That is every day.

[BuckSwope 654]

21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I already pointed this out; don't waste your time, he has chosen not to respond to it.

And also chosen not to provide a common occurrence of "a restaurant that serves alcohol where a man is dressed like a woman" that would be illegal under the bill.  Because, psst, I was ready to concede such an occurrence and propose it be carved out as an exception.  Or like say if a waiter is transgender and that would be illegal, that's stupid and the bill should be cancelled or significantly changed.  But... nothing.

Just throwing something out there that came to mind.  We went out to eat at a restaurant for my daughter's birthday.  They serve beer, and they also come around and sing Happy Birthday.  Would this be considered a "performance"?   I know we are getting in the weeds here, but just brainstorming.  

[BuckSwope 654]

10 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Why should children be allowed to see an adults only show that contains nudity, innuendo, cursing, and who knows what else? What's the reason that a child should be allowed to be in there? 

 

I know it's not an exact 1:1, but one thing that always stood out to me when I managed and owned the video store is how permissive parents are about blood/violence with their kids.   Routinely 8-10 year olds coming in to get horror movies and R movies with their parents.    IMO it's the exact question - what's the reason a child should be exposed to that?  

We have basic rules for each - not in school, a ratings system for movies, things like kids not allowed in strip clubs, etc..   but at the end of the day we just have admit we have a ton of parents who are always going to make bad choices with their kids.  

[jerryskids 7,204]

6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Just throwing something out there that came to mind.  We went out to eat at a restaurant for my daughter's birthday.  They serve beer, and they also come around and sing Happy Birthday.  Would this be considered a "performance"?   I know we are getting in the weeds here, but just brainstorming.  

None of us knows the details of the bill, but the Left will certainly imply such cases, like they did with the "don't say gay" bill that never said the word gay.

Nevertheless, there are always exceptions, so you start with the basic premise and work from there.  Fundamentally: should children be allowed in drag shows, yes or no?  If no, are there exceptions/clarifications to avoid, say, a transgender singing in your scenario?

Even then, we live in a legal system which does not expect every theoretical scenario to be defined statutorially, hence why we have trials and judges and juries.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

41 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

This is very odd.  You said that you "exactly" agree with a statement that included this: "BUT, do not pull kids into this and attempt to indoctrinate them".  You are now saying that it's not ok for people to protest when that exact thing is happening.  Very odd indeed.  Seems like you'd be ok with said protests.  No wonder you argue with everyone about it, because you're arguing against yourself on it.

There is a difference between disagreeing with a parent bringing their kid to a drag show, and protesting drag queens and accusing them of being pedos.  I'm sorry you're not smart enough to make that distinction.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

20 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Why should children be allowed to see an adults only show that contains nudity, innuendo, cursing, and who knows what else? What's the reason that a child should be allowed to be in there? 

 

Laws aren’t supposed to work that way. The question isn’t “why should?”, it’s “why shouldn’t?” 
 

In this case I wouldn’t take a young child to such a show, but I might take a 15 year old or 17, etc. Depending on their maturity. Or maybe the venue won’t allow that. In any case that should be my decision or the venue’s decision. A law is unnecessary IMO. 

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I know it's not an exact 1:1, but one thing that always stood out to me when I managed and owned the video store is how permissive parents are about blood/violence with their kids.   Routinely 8-10 year olds coming in to get horror movies and R movies with their parents.    IMO it's the exact question - what's the reason a child should be exposed to that?  

We have basic rules for each - not in school, a ratings system for movies, things like kids not allowed in strip clubs, etc..   but at the end of the day we just have admit we have a ton of parents who are always going to make bad choices with their kids.  

Of course. 

I am curious about the specific people here on why they think it's okay. 

Not to mention things like some people choose adult shows to GET AWAY from kids. We have one of those Luxe movie theaters where ALL of the showtimes after 4pm are 21 and older. It's focking awesome. 

Aside from just adults being shiite parents, what's the reasoning behind children NEEDING to be exposed? These people say that they need to be exposed to this stuff. 

I never took my kids to drag shows, nude shows, bars, adult comedy shows. Yet, they are aware of what drag is. They understand that some people just like that stuff and that's fine. I never felt the NEED to take them to those places, it just didn't make sense. I can teach them about Pride without taking them to the craziness that is San Francisco Pride Parade or whatever. They don't need to see some naked guy running around to understand Pride. 

[MDC 8,119]

Makes you wonder how many anti-trans Geeks are wearing skirts right now.  

[posty 2,854]

So it isn't okay when a Republican dresses in drag in school...

But it is 100% okay when the Democratic Virginia governor was in blackface when he was in school?

The Democrats mantra continues, "Do as I say, not as I do (or did)."

[jerryskids 7,204]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Makes you wonder how many anti-trans Geeks are wearing skirts right now.  

Not me, it's focking freezing here today.  The remnants of the latest "SoCal storm of the century" passed through last night. I was supposed to golf but we cancelled.  

Also I'm not anti trans, I just think it is OK to prohibit kids from drag shows.  The Left rarely recognizes such nuance, however.

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Of course. 

I am curious about the specific people here on why they think it's okay. 

Not to mention things like some people choose adult shows to GET AWAY from kids. We have one of those Luxe movie theaters where ALL of the showtimes after 4pm are 21 and older. It's focking awesome. 

Aside from just adults being shiite parents, what's the reasoning behind children NEEDING to be exposed? These people say that they need to be exposed to this stuff. 

I never took my kids to drag shows, nude shows, bars, adult comedy shows. Yet, they are aware of what drag is. They understand that some people just like that stuff and that's fine. I never felt the NEED to take them to those places, it just didn't make sense. I can teach them about Pride without taking them to the craziness that is San Francisco Pride Parade or whatever. They don't need to see some naked guy running around to understand Pride. 

This is where I am.   I am not actively seeking drag shows for my kids, and don't understand this new cultural obsession, but I also don't flip out or get upset if it randomly comes up.   Example would be the contestants on Floor is Lava when my daughter and I were watching some.  

To me this is more an example of people swinging the pendulum too far and mistaking "acceptance" for "OK for everybody".    

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

Let’s get to the heart of the matter: conservatives seem to be convinced that children can be indoctrinated into becoming gay or trans. They point to the much greater numbers of trans in particular these days, and offer some disturbing anecdotes. They are joined in this belief by some idiosyncratic liberals like Bill Maher. 

Most liberals, however, dismiss such claims. They believe that the numbers of trans hasn’t changed, it’s just that now people are more open about it. They (actually we) strongly doubt that someone can be indoctrinated to make such a fundamental change and that the whole notion that there is a concerted effort to do so is absurd and rooted in irrational fear and bigotry. 
 

This is the disagreement between us. 

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Laws aren’t supposed to work that way. The question isn’t “why should?”, it’s “why shouldn’t?” 
 

In this case I wouldn’t take a young child to such a show, but I might take a 15 year old or 17, etc. Depending on their maturity. Or maybe the venue won’t allow that. In any case that should be my decision or the venue’s decision. A law is unnecessary IMO. 

I am not talking about the laws, and should/shouldn't - whatever.   

What is the thinking behind why children should be able to go? 

I don't think they should be allowed because I think some of the things that they will see and experience aren't proper for younger children. They don't need to see women's bare breasts, a man exposing himself, frequent use of cuss words, or adult type jokes. That's why I think they shouldn't be allowed. They are exposed to things that they may not be able to understand or process. If they see enough of it, they think it's normal or okay to act a certain way. They might think it's okay if they expose themselves on the playground because mommy takes them to these shows where the men walk around like that. 

let's just allow kids in everywhere, regardless of their age. 

 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

7 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Of course. 

I am curious about the specific people here on why they think it's okay. 

Not to mention things like some people choose adult shows to GET AWAY from kids. We have one of those Luxe movie theaters where ALL of the showtimes after 4pm are 21 and older. It's focking awesome. 

Aside from just adults being shiite parents, what's the reasoning behind children NEEDING to be exposed? These people say that they need to be exposed to this stuff. 

I never took my kids to drag shows, nude shows, bars, adult comedy shows. Yet, they are aware of what drag is. They understand that some people just like that stuff and that's fine. I never felt the NEED to take them to those places, it just didn't make sense. I can teach them about Pride without taking them to the craziness that is San Francisco Pride Parade or whatever. They don't need to see some naked guy running around to understand Pride. 

I’m with you. In general I don’t see the need for it either. But I also don’t see the need for a law proscribing it. 

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let’s get to the heart of the matter: conservatives seem to be convinced that children can be indoctrinated into becoming gay or trans. They point to the much greater numbers of trans in particular these days, and offer some disturbing anecdotes. They are joined in this belief by some idiosyncratic liberals like Bill Maher. 

Most liberals, however, dismiss such claims. They believe that the numbers of trans hasn’t changed, it’s just that now people are more open about it. They (actually we) strongly doubt that someone can be indoctrinated to make such a fundamental change and that the whole notion that there is a concerted effort to do so is absurd and rooted in irrational fear and bigotry. 
 

This is the disagreement between us. 

Then there are those of us in the middle.  No you can't make someone trans or gay.  Yes the increasing numbers are from more acceptance.  However there are some kids that are influenced way too much by social media and are confused.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

I am not talking about the laws, and should/shouldn't - whatever.   

What is the thinking behind why children should be able to go? 

I don't think they should be allowed because I think some of the things that they will see and experience aren't proper for younger children. They don't need to see women's bare breasts, a man exposing himself, frequent use of cuss words, or adult type jokes. That's why I think they shouldn't be allowed. They are exposed to things that they may not be able to understand or process. If they see enough of it, they think it's normal or okay to act a certain way. They might think it's okay if they expose themselves on the playground because mommy takes them to these shows where the men walk around like that. 

let's just allow kids in everywhere, regardless of their age. 

 

Again I basically agree with you. I’m simply opposed to laws. 

I’m opposed to adultery. But I don’t want laws making it illegal. I’m opposed to the New England Patriots, but I don’t want to make them illegal (OK scratch that last one- in that case I wouldn’t mind.) 

[TheNewGirl 1,639]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Then there are those of us in the middle.  No you can't make someone trans or gay.  Yes the increasing numbers are from more acceptance.  However there are some kids that are influenced way too much by social media and are confused.

This. 

I had a comment about social media, but this sums it up. 

I think increasing numbers are from acceptance, and I am sure we are seeing it more simply because we are constantly "on." Whether we are seeing it on TV, hearing it on the radio, or on social media. You remove social media and I honestly wouldn't know if we are seeing it any more or less than when I was growing up, and we accepted it back then just fine. 

[GutterBoy 2,900]

Dumb question but aren't there already laws on the books that prohibit nudity or indeceny around kids in general?  We have a rating system for movies.  There are laws against bars and strip clubs.  How is anyone allowed to have kids at show where there is nudity?  Gotta be illegal, no?

[MDC 8,119]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Not me, it's focking freezing here today.  The remnants of the latest "SoCal storm of the century" passed through last night. I was supposed to golf but we cancelled.  

Also I'm not anti trans, I just think it is OK to prohibit kids from drag shows.  The Left rarely recognizes such nuance, however.

I propose one joint bill, maybe call it the Protect the Children or Leave the Kids Alone Act. Bars kids from drag shows AND from being alone in the presence of a priest, youth pastor or other religious authority.

Put it up for a vote - Yes or No fockers? 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

and we accepted it back then just fine. 

Well…not really. Acceptance of trans is pretty recent and there are many parts of the country that it hasn’t reached. From what I read, I wouldn’t want to be an openly trans person in rural Oklahoma for example. I would quite literally fear for my life.