Donald Trump claims he will be arrested Tuesday in Manhattan probe, calls for protests

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m saying that venue changes exist in order to insure a fair trial for the accused. If the jury pool demonstrates a bias against the accused I think it’s up for debate. That’s how the system works, and seeing as you guys are all about the system now, I don’t see why you have a problem with it.  

Not sure if you’ve ever been to NYC, but although it’s majority liberal, there are lots of conservatives too. And a lot of people who really aren’t into politics. It’s an extremely diverse city, so it’s crazy to say there aren’t at least 12 people there who can be impartial in this case. 

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13 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Not sure if you’ve ever been to NYC, but although it’s majority liberal, there are lots of conservatives too. And a lot of people who really aren’t into politics. It’s an extremely diverse city, so it’s crazy to say there aren’t at least 12 people there who can be impartial in this case. 

Yeah, I’ve been there a few times. Testified a few times, been to federal court a few times. Booked perps in the same place Trump will be booked more than a few times.  I think I’m aware of the jury pool in NYC. But thanks for sharing from the Adirondacks. 

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23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, I’ve been there a few times. Testified a few times, been to federal court a few times. Booked perps in the same place Trump will be booked more than a few times.  I think I’m aware of the jury pool in NYC. But thanks for sharing from the Adirondacks. 

If you know the city, then I know you’re just blowing smoke when you say he can’t get a fair trial there. I worked there for a few years, and it doesn’t take long to realize that it’s not some kind of liberal Mecca.

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4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If you know the city, then I know you’re just blowing smoke when you say he can’t get a fair trial there. I worked there for a few years, and it doesn’t take long to realize that it’s not some kind of liberal Mecca.

Yeah, okay. 

GTFO with your stupid shiat.

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46 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Not sure if you’ve ever been to NYC, but although it’s majority liberal, there are lots of conservatives too

WTF are you talking about??? It's a fruit loop snowflake liberal City through and through. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/metro-area/new-york-city-metro-area/party-affiliation/

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10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If you know the city, then I know you’re just blowing smoke when you say he can’t get a fair trial there. I worked there for a few years, and it doesn’t take long to realize that it’s not some kind of liberal Mecca.

I lived in Manhattan for nine years.NYC is, without a doubt, a liberal Mecca. 

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You look up Liberal Mecca in the dictionary and there is a picture of NYC.  

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59 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If you know the city, then I know you’re just blowing smoke when you say he can’t get a fair trial there. I worked there for a few years, and it doesn’t take long to realize that it’s not some kind of liberal Mecca.

I said it’s up for debate. You have already made up your mind he’s not entitled.  You have no idea who has been selected in the jury pool or how they have answered   to the voir dire.  

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6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Wow. I think this is extremely cynical. It’s one thing to get an indictment. But I believe that if you tried Hunter Biden before a jury of strong Trump supporters, if there wasn’t enough evidence to convict him they would acquit him. I don’t think we’ve gone that far off the rails to the point that most people would behave the way you’re describing. Donald Trump believes the legal system, like the political system, should be completely transactional. To him, IMO, everything is about “how do I personally benefit?” This makes him a man of low character, without honor. But I refuse to believe that most of America, including his most devout followers, feel that way. 

It’s not only expected by me, but the first time a Republican DA has the opportunity it will be expected by his voters if he wants to keep his job. I wish it weren’t that way, but now it is I’m afraid. I think we agree Bragg’s motivations here are political, so why would it be different if someone on the right now took that same opportunity when one comes along?  
 

I mean I realize I’m to the right of you even though I don’t see myself as far right and am not right enough to ever hold a local office. Do you honestly think those on the right don’t want some kind of payback for this going down?

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17 hours ago, squistion said:

True dat, but...

 

Was Hilary innocent or guilty of the same violation that Trump is being charged with?  Yes or No?

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2 hours ago, League Champion said:

WTF are you talking about??? It's a fruit loop snowflake liberal City through and through. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/metro-area/new-york-city-metro-area/party-affiliation/

You really expect dog shitt to argue in good faith?  Here's a question for you - How do you know when dog shitt is lying?  Answer - his lips are moving.

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2 hours ago, Crestwood 2 said:

I lived in Manhattan for nine years.NYC is, without a doubt, a liberal Mecca. 

Reasonable democrats don’t even want to live there any more. It’s crazy the steep decline that’s gone on there. 
Thanks, Deblasio!

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24 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Was Hilary innocent or guilty of the same violation that Trump is being charged with?  Yes or No?

Hillary paid hush money?

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3 hours ago, dogcows said:

If you know the city, then I know you’re just blowing smoke when you say he can’t get a fair trial there. I worked there for a few years, and it doesn’t take long to realize that it’s not some kind of liberal Mecca.

Overall in New York City, Biden received 2,321,759 votes, 76%, to Trump’s 691,682 votes, or 23%; a margin of 1,630,077. In 2016, Hillary Clinton 79% won of the vote to Trump’s 18%.
https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/9961-breaking-down-2020-vote-new-york-city-biden-trump

At least you agree this is 100% political.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Hillary paid hush money?

Trump isn't being charged with paying hush money.  Know why?  Because it's not illegal. 

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9 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Trump isn't being charged with paying hush money.  Know why?  Because it's not illegal. 

I was asking how what Bill Clinton (by the way) did is comparable to what Trump did allegedly.

We’ll see what the charges are for Donald.

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I was asking how what Bill Clinton (by the way) did is comparable to what Trump did allegedly.

We’ll see what the charges are for Donald.

Wait.  When you posted the following:

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Hillary paid hush money?

You were asking about Bill Clinton? 

 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Wait.  When you posted the following:

You were asking about Bill Clinton? 

 

Phil was asking if Hillary was guilty of the same thing Trump is being charged with. I thought the answer was no…that is why I asked.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Phil was asking if Hillary was guilty of the same thing Trump is being charged with. I thought the answer was no…that is why I asked.

Dude, I have no idea what you're saying.  Trump isn't being charged with paying hush money.  Is that what you THINK he is being charged with? 

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Dude, I have no idea what you're saying.  Trump isn't being charged with paying hush money.  Is that what you THINK he is being charged with? 

Hush money is just a fun way to summarize his predicament. We will see what he is officially being charged with on Tuesday. I’ll still use “Hush Money to the porn star” since it’s so succinct and paints a nice picture.

Now that we have cleared that up same question for you - Do you think Hillary (or Bill) are guilty of the same thing Trump did allegedly?

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Hush money is just a fun way to summarize his predicament. We will see what he is officially being charged with on Tuesday. I’ll still use “Hush Money to the porn star” since it’s so succinct and paints a nice picture.

Now that we have cleared that up same question for you - Do you think Hillary (or Bill) are guilty of the same thing Trump did allegedly?

Nah.  If you're going to mischaracterize what he's being charged with, it's not worth having the discussion.  There has to be an agreement on facts before there can be a discussion.  It's factually impossible for him to be being charged with paying hush money since that's not illegal. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

17 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I was asking how what Bill Clinton (by the way) did is comparable to what Trump did allegedly.

We’ll see what the charges are for Donald.

General are you drinking again?  

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Nah.  If you're going to mischaracterize what he's being charged with, it's not worth having the discussion.  There has to be an agreement on facts before there can be a discussion.  It's factually impossible for him to be being charged with paying hush money since that's not illegal. 

The manner in which the funds were paid and how they were disclosed by Trump (did he falsify his biz records for instance, how were they declared on taxes, etc) was there a campaign finance issue. In any case we will see on Tuesday I believe what the 30 some charges are. 

The case stemming around his hush money payments to the porn star just sounds better. 

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9 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

General are you drinking again?  

A beer may have been drank during my morning golf round

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

A beer may have been drank during my morning golf round

Evrrything you post sounds like it's coming from a drunk. But that could just be your IQ speaking. 

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38 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Evrrything you post sounds like it's coming from a drunk. But that could just be your IQ speaking. 

Glad to see you took a break from your quilting to post, Seachode!

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Seachode when you are done scrapbooking please give us your best insights on the pending case. TIA!

[dogcows 1,030]

5 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

Overall in New York City, Biden received 2,321,759 votes, 76%, to Trump’s 691,682 votes, or 23%; a margin of 1,630,077. In 2016, Hillary Clinton 79% won of the vote to Trump’s 18%.
https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/9961-breaking-down-2020-vote-new-york-city-biden-trump

At least you agree this is 100% political.

No, I don’t agree the prosecution is political. The right-wing response sure is though. Gym Jordan should know he cannot subpoena records from a grand jury indictment before the trial even takes place. He probably does know, but he has to take some performative actions to show his fealty to Trump.

As for the numbers above, we are talking about a jury pool. You need unanimity for a conviction, and about 1/4 of people voted for Trump. So a random jury pool could include 3 Trump supporters. Of course, voter turnout was way below the overall population, so you’re likely to have a number of people who didn’t vote on the jury too.

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11 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

It’s not only expected by me, but the first time a Republican DA has the opportunity it will be expected by his voters if he wants to keep his job. I wish it weren’t that way, but now it is I’m afraid. I think we agree Bragg’s motivations here are political, so why would it be different if someone on the right now took that same opportunity when one comes along?  
 

I mean I realize I’m to the right of you even though I don’t see myself as far right and am not right enough to ever hold a local office. Do you honestly think those on the right don’t want some kind of payback for this going down?

Sorry I was on a plane flight all day so I was unable to reply to this until now. 

I may have misunderstood your previous post; I thought you were talking about jurors. Now you’re talking about prosecutors, Of course prosecutors may act with a political motive. But that doesn’t mean jurors will go along with it.

Let’s take the case of George Zimmerman. I believe, personally, that he probably murdered Trayvon Martin. But there wasn’t enough evidence to prove that, so if I had been on that jury I would have voted to acquit. Now the truth is the prosecution knew they didn’t have the evidence to prove Zimmerman’s guilt, but they were pressured into indicting him anyhow. The pressure came from an angry liberal mob. He was acquitted; the system worked. 

Now let’s take Hillary Clinton. An angry conservative mob demanded that she be indicted. Trump promised to do it, but his Justice Department could not find enough evidence to charge her. Once again the system worked, better than in the Zimmerman case, because this time we didn’t even have to go through a sham trial. 

So my point is most of the time the system works. Not always. Poor people, especially minorities, get the shaft. Rich celebrities can sometimes get away with the worst of crimes. But overall jurors are fair. So back to Trump: if the evidence is weak he will be acquitted. We’ll have to see how strong the evidence is. 

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7 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Seachode when you are done scrapbooking please give us your best insights on the pending case. TIA!

Damn, general dishing out some haymakers.  Having lived through the 90's, I can say that the worst insult to a man would be calling him a scrap-booker.  A close 2nd is a beanie-baby collector.

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40 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So my point is most of the time the system works. Not always. Poor people, especially minorities, get the shaft. Rich celebrities can sometimes get away with the worst of crimes. But overall jurors are fair. So back to Trump: if the evidence is weak he will be acquitted. We’ll have to see how strong the evidence is. 

I think that's the way it used to be, up until about 3 years ago.  If you objectively look at our current justice system, I don't know how you can come to this conclusion.  There has never been a better time to be a criminal.  The laws have been changed - laws that significantly favor minorities.  Shoplifting is legal up until $1,000.  Do you not see all the videos of criminals walking into a store, filling up a bag, and then casually walk out the door?  Companies like Walgreens and CVS are leaving Liberal cities.  That's not a supposition - it's reality.  We've got all sorts of examples where habitual criminals are released without bail, only to assault or kill someone.  Crime is up everywhere under Biden.  Fact.  I wish you would just admit the truth - that Democrat policies instituted after George Floyd have been disastrous.  The world won't end just because your side focked up.  It happens.

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16 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Damn, general dishing out some haymakers.  Having lived through the 90's, I can say that the worst insult to a man would be calling him a scrap-booker.  A close 2nd is a beanie-baby collector.

The general is on the spectrum for sure. Foking retard. 

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41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Now let’s take Hillary Clinton. An angry conservative mob demanded that she be indicted. Trump promised to do it, but his Justice Department could not find enough evidence to charge her. Once again the system worked, better than in the Zimmerman case, because this time we didn’t even have to go through a sham trial. 

I'm gonna cut through the bullshitt - mainly because I'm hammered.  EVERYONE is biased today, including jurors.  Look no further than this forum.  What are the odds that all Liberals view every single policy the same way?  Come on Tim.  Feelings aren't facts anymore, skippy.  It's 2023 - the age of Big Data and sophisticated data modeling.  Your beliefs were spot on in the 90's, but you've got to get with the times bro.  Do you still wear Z Cavaricci's?  Do you still have a cathode ray tube tv?  Be honest.

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14 minutes ago, Horseman said:

The general is on the spectrum for sure. Foking retard. 

I thought that too, but then I figured out who he was on the other forum.  He was a good dude actually.  Probably the most down-the-middle guy over there (relatively speaking).  Unfortunately he made the same mistake I did - he came here with guns a-blazing.

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Jan 6 showed the country how far our judicial system has fallen.  Leftists now use it like a hammer against their political opposition. Third world stuff. That’s us now

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I know we have up a long time ago holding Trump accountable for any of the bullshet he spits…But this guy has talked so much crap about indicting his political opponents, how it should have happened, how they should be ineligible to run, etc. 

Link

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20 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Hillary paid hush money?

No need to waste money when you have so many suicidal associates.  

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Georgia indictment: probably in May or June

1/6 and Top Secret documents indictments: these are being investigated by the same special prosecutor, so I suspect the decision whether to indict will come at the same time- probably towards the end of the year. By the time the election season really begins Trump could be facing 4 separate indictments. 
 

I have always believed that the Georgia charge will be the most serious, because it’s the most clear cut- he is on tape asking for more votes. There is no way to blame other people, no way to deny what he did. For this crime Trump should face jail time, and maybe he will. 

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29 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Georgia indictment: probably in May or June

1/6 and Top Secret documents indictments: these are being investigated by the same special prosecutor, so I suspect the decision whether to indict will come at the same time- probably towards the end of the year. By the time the election season really begins Trump could be facing 4 separate indictments. 
 

I have always believed that the Georgia charge will be the most serious, because it’s the most clear cut- he is on tape asking for more votes. There is no way to blame other people, no way to deny what he did. For this crime Trump should face jail time, and maybe he will. 

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