Florida passes 6 week abortion ban.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

That’s median household income. Nothing to do with what I wrote. 

So wealth and prosperity have nothing to do with median household income?  It's useless talking with someone who is so lazy and intellectually dishonest.  You make all sorts of bold claims without ever backing it up facts and citations.  My old boss used to describe people like you as "having their feet firmly planted in mid-air".

[TimHauck 2,643]

9 hours ago, jonmx said:

The reason Republicans oppose it is because they think 6-8 weeks is too long 

Link?

[HellToupee 1,622]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Link?

Squistion is that you?

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

DeSantis signed the bill late tonight.  I'm not a big fan, either of him signing it late in the night or the parameters of the bill.  I think first trimester is reasonable.  I don't like how much extremism is actually becoming policy and ultimately laws.  From both sides. 

I've often said- 20 weeks is fair. That is halfway through a pregnancy.

6 weeks is ridiculous. There are many women who just naturally or through medical conditions (PCOS, etc) have irregular period cycles and could sometimes go 8-12 weeks between periods. Under this Florida law they would be required to carry the child. That's absurd

[TimHauck 2,643]

15 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Squistion is that you?

Do you think the majority of Republicans are in favor of an abortion ban at less than 6 weeks?

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

I've often said- 20 weeks is fair. That is halfway through a pregnancy.

6 weeks is ridiculous. There are many women who just naturally or through medical conditions (PCOS, etc) have irregular period cycles and could sometimes go 8-12 weeks between periods. Under this Florida law they would be required to carry the child. That's absurd

I agree, some women don't even know their pregnant till after 6 weeks. 

6 weeks is ridiculous 

[seafoam1 2,825]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I've often said- 20 weeks is fair. That is halfway through a pregnancy.

6 weeks is ridiculous. There are many women who just naturally or through medical conditions (PCOS, etc) have irregular period cycles and could sometimes go 8-12 weeks between periods. Under this Florida law they would be required to carry the child. That's absurd

Everyone knows you think it's fair to kill kids. I will say though, when it came to your parents, they made the wrong call on you. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

35 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Everyone knows you think it's fair to kill kids. I will say though, when it came to your parents, they made the wrong call on you. 

And we all know you don't understand the female body because the last time you saw a puzzy was when the doctor yanked you out of one.

[HellToupee 1,622]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think the majority of Republicans are in favor of an abortion ban at less than 6 weeks?

No

[RLLD 4,156]

Have to read up more on this. If the only exceptions are for rape and incest I think it falls short. If it included maybe certain medical factors where the kid is going to have some serious health issues I think that makes some sense, would like to see that included.

Its at least some attempt at a middle ground.  The leftists say no restrictions and the righwingnuts say no abortions. Meeting in the middle seems to be reasonable. 

Frankly, let them kill their babies as they see fit.....if you are the type of person to murder your kids, perhaps you should not have them. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,497]

Abortion is such a STUPID issue.  It doesn't even belong in the political arena.

[Fireballer 2,640]

LMAO…woke a$$ Stephen King feeling the wrath of the alphabet mafia for stepping out of line.  The responses are great.

 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

LMAO…woke a$$ Stephen King feeling the wrath of the alphabet mafia for stepping out of line.  The responses are great.

 

Stephen King is usually a great writer (well when he finally gets to the actual climax of his book and not the first false 5 of them)....but this is logic that people throw out and I wish they'd stop saying things like this. 

[jonmx 2,425]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think the majority of Republicans are in favor of an abortion ban at less than 6 weeks?

Lol...are you f-ing serious?  Most all Republicans favor an outright ban with very few exceptions.  The idea of allowing it at 6 weeks is appalling to most Republicans.   It is a compromise position that pisses off people from each side for different reasons.  A link on not required except for people who can't think for themselves and need to be told something by someone in authority.  This is why the government love leftists, they only believe what they are told. 

[jonmx 2,425]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Squistion is that you?

Unfortunately lacking ability to think for oneself is a common trait on the left. It is damn nearly a requirement. 

[TimHauck 2,643]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Lol...are you f-ing serious?  Most all Republicans favor an outright ban with very few exceptions.  The idea of allowing it at 6 weeks is appalling to most Republicans.

LOL, keep dreaming.

[jonmx 2,425]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

LOL, keep dreaming.

Here is a link for your dumbass.   

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/

In the latest survey, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are 42 percentage points more likely than Republicans and Republican leaners to say abortion should be legal in all or most cases (80% vs. 38%).

72% of conservative republicans believe it should be illegal in all or most cases. 

[TimHauck 2,643]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Here is a link for your dumbass.   

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/13/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/

In the latest survey, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are 42 percentage points more likely than Republicans and Republican leaners to say abortion should be legal in all or most cases (80% vs. 38%).

Huh?  How does a survey asking if abortion should be legal in all or most cases support your claim that most Republicans think it should be outright banned?  Honestly I'm shocked 38% believe it should be legal in all or most cases.  You don't think there are at least 12% that think it should only be legal up until a certain point that is greater than 6 weeks?

[seafoam1 2,825]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

And we all know you don't understand the female body because the last time you saw a puzzy was when the doctor yanked you out of one.

You are very good at being wrong. Hence, why I think your parents made a mistake. 

You just keep proving it.

[TimHauck 2,643]

14 minutes ago, jonmx said:

72% of conservative republicans believe it should be illegal in all or most cases. 

LOL, that was not the question the survey asked

[Tree of Knowledge 1,744]

It never ceases to amaze me the Joy abortion brings to liberals.  Ghouls 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,043]

19 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It never ceases to amaze me the Joy abortion brings to liberals.  Ghouls 

Seriously. And the zeal liberal men show for it is amazing. I guess they feel they are defending women, because if they had to actually defend them they know they would be inept. 

[TimHauck 2,643]

22 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It never ceases to amaze me the Joy abortion brings to liberals.  Ghouls 

I don't take joy in abortion.  I do take joy in proving GC idiots wrong though.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,043]

I like to stop rapes before they happen when possible. Like keeping most rapists in prison as long as possible. 

[Strike 5,297]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

I've often said- 20 weeks is fair. That is halfway through a pregnancy.

6 weeks is ridiculous. There are many women who just naturally or through medical conditions (PCOS, etc) have irregular period cycles and could sometimes go 8-12 weeks between periods. Under this Florida law they would be required to carry the child. That's absurd

20 weeks is a little too long for my comfort level.  I MIGHT be convinced to go 15 but at 20 you're getting pretty close to being viable of living outside the womb, which I've been told forever by pro abortion people is the standard we should use when determining what time frame to make abortion illegal:

https://healthier.stanfordchildrens.org/en/premature-babies-survival-rate-is-climbing/

Plus, seeing pics of fetuses/babies at even 9 weeks, which were posted here recently, shows that what is in the womb at 20 weeks is much closer to a baby than a clump of cells. 

That being said, it seems we're not that far off from each other. 

[seafoam1 2,825]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I like to stop rapes before they happen when possible. Like keeping most rapists in prison as long as possible. 

No rapist is illegal!!!

Rapists are people too!!!

Get TRUMP!!! 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I don't take joy in abortion.  I do take joy in proving GC idiots wrong though.

Nobody in this thread has taken joy in abortion. It is a dumb narrative being put forth to discredit the arguments on this board.

Now in the real world are there a subset of people who want abortions legal until the very end and there are people who want abortions illegal from the minute a baby is conceived...both those groups of people are idiots. But they are the loudest and nothing gets fixed because people take those extremes as the real position of people as opposed to what people are saying here. 

[TimHauck 2,643]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

and there are people who want abortions illegal from the minute a baby is conceived...both those groups of people are idiots. 

@jonmx thinks this is the majority of Republicans. Lol

[seafoam1 2,825]

33 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It never ceases to amaze me the Joy abortion brings to liberals.  Ghouls 

You and me both. I wonder how many of these dead beat liberals wished the dog they focked got the abortion so they wouldn't have to support it.

Go abortion!!! Kill that baby!!! 

Ask one if they wish they were aborted and they won't give you a real answer. Just some stupid comment.

[RLLD 4,156]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Nobody in this thread has taken joy in abortion. It is a dumb narrative being put forth to discredit the arguments on this board.

Now in the real world are there a subset of people who want abortions legal until the very end and there are people who want abortions illegal from the minute a baby is conceived...both those groups of people are idiots. But they are the loudest and nothing gets fixed because people take those extremes as the real position of people as opposed to what people are saying here. 

Aside from this thread, there appears to be some effort to suggest it brings happiness....

Rink

[seafoam1 2,825]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@jonmx thinks this is the majority of Republicans. Lol

You think the mother should be able to abort a baby as long as the baby is dependent on her and once it comes out then it can't be killed because someone else will be forced to keep it alive if the mother abandons it and somehow in your mind that baby isn't dependent on someone anymore. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,043]

So it takes 6 weeks to know you had sex and didn’t use birth control? Also : 6 weeks is too short. But not because women won’t know if they are pregnant. I think they should be given more time to make such a huge decision. Being unaware you are pregnant has nothing to do with it. That’s stupid. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

20 weeks is a little too long for my comfort level.  I MIGHT be convinced to go 15 but at 20 you're getting pretty close to being viable of living outside the womb, which I've been told forever by pro abortion people is the standard we should use when determining what time frame to make abortion illegal:

https://healthier.stanfordchildrens.org/en/premature-babies-survival-rate-is-climbing/

Plus, seeing pics of fetuses/babies at even 9 weeks, which were posted here recently, shows that what is in the womb at 20 weeks is much closer to a baby than a clump of cells. 

That being said, it seems we're not that far off from each other. 

I would think 15 weeks is probably a fair compromise considering a baby at like 32 weeks has a high chance of survival even with their first few days/weeks being in the NICU unit because of being a little premature. I think we also need to look at not just chance of survival but also the risk of long term health effects. Case in point: At this article from the University of Utah health website: https://healthcare.utah.edu/womenshealth/pregnancy-birth/preterm-birth/when-is-it-safe-to-deliver#:~:text=The survival rate for 24,health problems also decrease dramatically.

A child born at 24 weeks has about a 50% chance of survival but a 40% chance of long term health issues.

At 28 weeks survival rate is 80-90% with a 10% chance of long term issues.

At 32 weeks it is a survival rate of 95% with minimal % chance of long term issues

At 34 weeks it is pretty close to the same as being born full term at 40 weeks. 

 

But with all that said I think 15-20 weeks is a fine number to settle on because in there you are at a halfway point of the baby having a 90-95% chance of survival. 

[jonmx 2,425]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@jonmx thinks this is the majority of Republicans. Lol

Not exactly.  But most, currently at 60 percent, of all Republicans do favor banning abortions except in the cases of rape, incest, life of mother.  I am not sure what is so controversial about this.  

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Aside from this thread, there appears to be some effort to suggest it brings happiness....

Rink

That is not looking to measure the type of joy that people are discussing in here obviously 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So it takes 6 weeks to know you had sex and didn’t use birth control? Also : 6 weeks is too short. But not because women won’t know if they are pregnant. I think they should be given more time to make such a huge decision. Being unaware you are pregnant has nothing to do with it. That’s stupid. 

Tell me you don't know about a woman's body without saying you don't know. 

Also I mean birth control isn't infallible. A person above the age of say like 21 (conservatively) should know this. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

LMAO…woke a$$ Stephen King feeling the wrath of the alphabet mafia for stepping out of line.  The responses are great.

 

You do realize that most if not all of those responses are troll posts from right wingers, right?

[RLLD 4,156]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

That is not looking to measure the type of joy that people are discussing in here obviously 

Obviously.  I think that here, and perhaps in general here and there across society, you will find impassioned defense of and vilifaction of....abortion.

I get that there are a wide variety of stances out there for and against. All good. Some I might agree with and other I might not. 

In general I see abortion as a societal "good". I value it in terms of removing potential problems from society. That being said, I am not going to hide behind some veil of morality and call it "womens health". Instead I will accept that what I am supporting is in fact the murder of children. I will not try to pretend in order to let myself off the hook morally..... I am in fact supporting an amoral action.....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,043]

Right. So it takes 6 weeks to know if you might be pregnant, even though you just did the one thing that can make you pregnant the night before. Of course idiots will pull the rare occurrence to make their point. So if the basis of the argument is that the woman may not know so six weeks is too short, the ones that do know within six weeks have enough time. Got it. 

[Sean Mooney 1,955]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Obviously.  I think that here, and perhaps in general here and there across society, you will find impassioned defense of and vilifaction of....abortion.

I get that there are a wide variety of stances out there for and against. All good. Some I might agree with and other I might not. 

In general I see abortion as a societal "good". I value it in terms of removing potential problems from society. That being said, I am not going to hide behind some veil of morality and call it "womens health". Instead I will accept that what I am supporting is in fact the murder of children. I will not try to pretend in order to let myself off the hook morally..... I am in fact supporting an amoral action.....

I choose to not try to simplify it into one category over another. It is a societal good, it is a women's health issue in some cases, it is a fetus health issue in others, it is also killing something that is potentially living depending on when you do it.

Abortion is a complicated issue (regardless of what decision a woman is making) and people who try to boil it into a singular pocket are basically just being disingenuous, sanctimonious, azzholes.