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16 Year old shot twice after ringing doorbell, shooter held and released

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20 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

George Floyd's family got $17M for his burial. Nice try dlckhead. 😆 

In 5 days d!ckhead?  :rolleyes:

 

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

In 5 days d!ckhead?  :rolleyes:

 

Yes. And what's the difference? Did his funeral costs go up 4 million dollars a day after day 1? 😆

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

And with that lie, the gun has been thrown. Buh-bye  :wave:

What lie? How do funeral costs get up to $17M for a poor black criminal?

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19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thank you. I stand corrected. 
 

Still the point is he didn’t wait for any explanation, just fired. And I for one do not believe he would have done so if the kid hadn’t been black. 

Do you think the women in Chicago who was beaten and stomped to near death and by a black mob was because she was white?

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4 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Do you think the women in Chicago who was beaten and stomped to near death and by a black mob was because she was white?

Pretty sure yes. 
 

Blacks can be racist too. And hate filled. Asians can be racist. Jews can be racist. What does any of this prove? 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Based on what we know at this moment, was this a justified shooting? Yes or no? 
 

 

For me personally,I don’t know, here’s why.

I personally haven’t read any articles about this.  I am only aware of the few bits of info here in this thread. I did hear a news report last night about the kids hand being on the storm door or him trying to open it as the old man opened the entry door.  Not knowing anymore about the interaction, I think the only way the old man gets out of this is, when more nuanced details emerge, that the kid attempting to open the door could be interpreted as an “attempt to enter” and would justify deadly force.  

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6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

And with that lie, the gun has been thrown. Buh-bye  :wave:

A simple google search shows you his gofundme surpassed 12.5 million on day 7. It also set the record of getting 500K per day.  So not exactly truthful saying 17 million in 5 days, but, the point still stands:  He died...not a lot of medical expenses.

 

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27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

As a former police officer, do you believe this shooting was justified? Yes or no? 

No. But just like you do making excuses for other groups of people, maybe he didn’t have any faith that the police would protect him.  Lots of people are feeling that way right now. People taking the law into their own hands when they feel the institutions won’t enforce the law was predictable. Some people did. Yours truly was one of them. 

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9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

A simple google search shows you his gofundme surpassed 12.5 million on day 7. It also set the record of getting 500K per day.  So not exactly truthful saying 17 million in 5 days, but, the point still stands:  He died...not a lot of medical expenses.

 

The original point was about comparing apples and oranges on the tweet. So then craftman brings up Floyd, a case that had a 7 minute video of the cops killing him and ignoring onlookers telling them they were killing him---so also not a great comparison.  

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look the police stated there was a racial component to this. So I’m not deluded am I? 
 

 

YOU said "I'm not the one making it about race". I don't care what the police said......you made racial assumptions. If you can't see that, admit to that, then yes YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. If anyone else made their argument based on assumptions & conjecture you would run to your high ground and cast judgment. Problem is, your high ground is usually a pothole.....easily paved over. You cut & paste more than the guy that edited the January 6th videos. Every stance you take is based on a poker hand you picked out of the deck......because if it was a fair game, you would loose most of the time. Try being honest about honesty. 

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27 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Did the shooter run out of ammo?  Did sounding an alarm save anyone?

You’re an idiot. One of the girls was killed while actually sounding the alarm. I wonder why people were hiding? But you don’t care one bit so just stfu. 

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On 4/17/2023 at 11:38 AM, TimHauck said:

It's like you didn't even read what I wrote.

Just to be clear, what "fact" are you talking about here?  Are you saying it's a "fact" that if this shooter was black, "there would be no problem"?

The fact is......if the shooter had been black, you never would have started this thread😉

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25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Pretty sure yes. 
 

Blacks can be racist too. And hate filled. Asians can be racist. Jews can be racist. What does any of this prove? 

Pretty sure??  LOL

It proves that all races are capable of the same violence, bigotry and hate.  You only seem to focus on one.

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11 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

The fact is......if the shooter had been black, you never would have started this thread😉

The truth is these types of shootings happen all the time with blacks shooting blacks.  But nobody cares. Media does not care.

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1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

Pretty sure??  LOL

It proves that all races are capable of the same violence, bigotry and hate.  You only seem to focus on one.

You’re correct. My focus is on white prejudice against minorities, especially black people. There are two reasons for this: 

1. The long history of oppression in this country against black people. 
2. The institutionalized racism against black people which still exists and is a central aspect of our current society. 
 

I hold that these two reasons make it justifiable for us as a society to focus on racism against black people, when it occurs, over and above all other forms of racism. That’s my position, though I’m guessing you and many others here will take issue with it. 

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17 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

The original point was about comparing apples and oranges on the tweet. So then craftman brings up Floyd, a case that had a 7 minute video of the cops killing him and ignoring onlookers telling them they were killing him---so also not a great comparison.  

Your original point was about medical expenses, because one of the people in the tweet died.  That's your apples and oranges.  So, ask yourself did that 7 minute video of the cops killing him and ignoring onlookers telling them they were killing him change his medical expenses? 

 

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28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re correct. My focus is on white prejudice against minorities, especially black people. There are two reasons for this: 

1. The long history of oppression in this country against black people. 
2. The institutionalized racism against black people which still exists and is a central aspect of our current society. 
 

I hold that these two reasons make it justifiable for us as a society to focus on racism against black people, when it occurs, over and above all other forms of racism. That’s my position, though I’m guessing you and many others here will take issue with it. 

To each their own of course. I see your position as deeply flawed and generally unhelpful as these points are not relevant or not true.

But there is value in someone reminding us of the past, which is where the world you describe exists.  I think it helps us better appreciate the present and focus on the future. 

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42 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

The fact is......if the shooter had been black, you never would have started this thread😉

Someone else already used this line, except said if the victim was white instead of if the shooter was black, and I showed an example of me starting a thread about a white victim.

Here is a thread I started about a black shooter:

 

30 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

The truth is these types of shootings happen all the time with blacks shooting blacks.  But nobody cares. Media does not care.

People get shot all the time ringing someone's doorbell?

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Someone else already used this line, except said if the victim was white instead of if the shooter was black, and I showed an example of me starting a thread about a white victim.

Here is a thread I started about a black shooter:

 

People get shot all the time ringing someone's doorbell?

Answering doors, shooting into homes, shooting kids on sidewalks, etc.. Yep. All the time in black neighborhoods.

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4 hours ago, RLLD said:

Nice try. That word salad stuff wont work on me. Standard liberal tactics, attack the person when you cannot refute the assertion. PLENTY of non-white people are successful, and PLENTY of white people live in poverty as well. If you want to find discrimination, look no further than the way the system tends to mistreat the accomplished. At how the system pushed down on the Asian minority groups, and why? because they were too succesful. 

I do have a priviladge. I am not a dirtbag, therefore I have a leg up. I came from absolute poverty, but my family never used that as an excuse to be a dirtbag, which is what transpires in the AA community.  

The system works, There used to be a saying "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations", which describes the inability of grandchildren to manage the wealth passed down to them from their grandparents and parents, has hung over the world's highest net-worth families for decades, threatening the continuation of family legacies. 

Instead of telling people "you cannot because the system" do what successful families have done, show them how to use the system.  Not to steal from it, but leverage it, it works...

I did not say "you cannot because of the system."  But it is a fact that if you grow up poor you are more likely to stay poor.  LOL at you whining about the small percentage of rich people squandering their wealth.   Your privilege is showing again, so much so that apparently you can't even spell it.

Here is the key sentence I was calling out:

5 hours ago, RLLD said:

If instead you come from a culture that celebrates criminality, violence and bad behaviors in general you do not succeed.

Putting the sweeping generalizations aside, you are admitting that someone that grows up in that culture "does not succeed."  Thus, you are admitting that children that had no choice but to grow up in that culture have less chance of succeeding.   The fact that white people are more likely to not grow up in a situation like that is pretty much the definition of privilege.

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1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

George Floyd's family got $17M for his burial. Nice try dlckhead. 😆 

Wow.  The rare total own by seafoam.

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12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I did not say "you cannot because of the system."  But it is a fact that if you grow up poor you are more likely to stay poor.  LOL at you whining about the small percentage of rich people squandering their wealth.   Your privilege is showing again, so much so that apparently you can't even spell it.

Here is the key sentence I was calling out:

Putting the sweeping generalizations aside, you are admitting that someone that grows up in that culture "does not succeed."  Thus, you are admitting that children that had no choice but to grow up in that culture have less chance of succeeding.   The fact that white people are more likely to not grow up in a situation like that is pretty much the definition of privilege.

It could be true that lower income people tend to stay in that realm, often kids follow their parents, and breaking out of that cycle requires "getting away".  I had to do that. And it did help, escaping poverty took time but I managed it.  I am not whining about rich people, I am stating a fact.  Facts do not care about your feelings, and we need to be honest in order to think.  My priviledge arises from not being a dirt bag, and it is rather nice.

I am not admitting anything other than a sickness in the AA culture is the more prominent impediment to their success.  If anything you and your ilk had to offer worked, we would have seen improvement by now. So lets go with what is shown to work for everyone else.  What do they have to lose? :dunno:

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Any motive for that mass shooting in Alabama? 

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14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It could be true that lower income people tend to stay in that realm, often kids follow their parents, and breaking out of that cycle requires "getting away".  I had to do that. And it did help, escaping poverty took time but I managed it.  I am not whining about rich people, I am stating a fact.  Facts do not care about your feelings, and we need to be honest in order to think.  My priviledge arises from not being a dirt bag, and it is rather nice.

I am not admitting anything other than a sickness in the AA culture is the more prominent impediment to their success.  If anything you and your ilk had to offer worked, we would have seen improvement by now. So lets go with what is shown to work for everyone else.  What do they have to lose? :dunno:

How did you "get away"?

What's a fact?  That some rich people don't stay rich?  Not denying that, but if you are already wealthy, it is more likely to stay wealthy, and if you are already poor, you are more likely to stay poor.

 

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4 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

Dumbest person on the planet folks. ⬆️

Because someone rang the doorbell idiot.  That's the whole purpose of having a doorbell, so people can alert you that they are there so you can come OPEN THE DOOR. 

 

Sorry, can we all laugh at this idiot who thinks everyone should open their door for people ringing their doorbell at 10 PM?  lolololol

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7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How did you "get away"?

What's a fact?  That some rich people don't stay rich?  Not denying that, but if you are already wealthy, it is more likely to stay wealthy, and if you are already poor, you are more likely to stay poor.

 

I joined the Marines, I had no other options available really. It helped me considerably.

There are many facts, the most important being that the system rewards good decisions, and those who make good decisions enjoy a better life. The beauty of our system is that regardless of your birth you can achieve a nice life and even superlative success. But it does not reward bad behavior, whining or the less talented.

There will always be winners and losers, but that depends on you as an individual. Its all out there if you apply yourself, just as people are doing every day. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I joined the Marines, I had no other options available really. It helped me considerably.

There are many facts, the most important being that the system rewards good decisions, and those who make good decisions enjoy a better life. The beauty of our system is that regardless of your birth you can achieve a nice life and even superlative success. But it does not reward bad behavior, whining or the less talented.

There will always be winners and losers, but that depends on you as an individual. Its all out there if you apply yourself, just as people are doing every day. 

So will you admit it's easier to "win" if you grow up in a household with parents that were already "winners"?

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Just now, TimHauck said:

So will you admit it's easier to "win" if you grow up in a household with parents that were already "winners"?

Sure.  So what.  You are born into what you are born into.  The system will still reward you if you work hard and are not a dirtbag. i would have been more successful if I were Donald Trumps kid, but i wasnt.  The world owes people nothing....nothing....you go earn what you get. Some people have a leg up. 

I will never be a point guard in the NBA, I was not lucky enough to be born with the advantages that would lead to that, oh well, that was not in the cards for me.....

I will never develop a cure for cancer, I was not lucky enough to be born with the intellect to have that capacity, oh well, what am I going to allow my envy to have me go around crying that someone else was just more lucky? Please......

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Just now, RLLD said:

Sure.  So what.  You are born into what you are born into.  The system will still reward you if you work hard and are not a dirtbag. i would have been more successful if I were Donald Trumps kid, but i wasnt.  The world owes people nothing....nothing....you go earn what you get. Some people have a leg up. 

Cool, thank you for admitting that privilege exists.   I think we're done here.

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wow, you probably won't be poor if you have a full-time job?  Groundbreaking stuff.

So you're saying that a poor person can't get a full time job?

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Cool, thank you for admitting that privilege exists.   I think we're done here.

Oh pf course it exists...look at the NFL, MLB.....look at doctors....we are not all created equal.....some of us have advantages.   Even those with advantages are not immune to the consequences of being a dirtbag.....Rae Carruth, Pete Rose, Aaron Hernandez....

Pretending its the system is where you fail.  It is the reason the liberals never improve anything, but only make it worse. I leave that to you..... it might make you feel good to pretend to care and impugn the system as being the reason.....but it is no different than being an enabler to an addict, and that is that you are. 

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Just now, RLLD said:

Oh pf course it exists...look at the NFL, MLB.....look at doctors....we are not all created equal.....some of us have advantages.   Even those with advantages are not immune to the consequences of being a dirtbag.....Rae Carruth, Pete Rose, Aaron Hernandez....

Pretending its the system is where you fail.  It is the reason the liberals never improve anything, but only make it worse. I leave that to you..... it might make you feel good to pretend to care and impugn the system as being the reason.....but it is no different than being an enabler to an addict, and that is that you are. 

Seems like we agree.   "The system" is not the reason, but it does give advantages, primarily to wealthy people.   And it is less likely for blacks and hispanics to be wealthy.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Seems like we agree.   "The system" is not the reason, but it does give advantages, primarily to wealthy people.   And it is less likely for blacks and hispanics to be wealthy.

And it is less likely for African Americans....not for Hispanics, they work hard and don;t whine....

It is the CULTURE within the AA community that is the dominant impediment to their success. That is why they are less likely. Their culture allows for, and in some cases promotes, behaviors that our system does not reward.

The left-leaning Brookings Institute did a study, and put down some very simple things to do

It is not that hard.

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re correct. My focus is on white prejudice against minorities, especially black people. There are two reasons for this: 

1. The long history of oppression in this country against black people. 
2. The institutionalized racism against black people which still exists and is a central aspect of our current society. 
 

I hold that these two reasons make it justifiable for us as a society to focus on racism against black people, when it occurs, over and above all other forms of racism. That’s my position, though I’m guessing you and many others here will take issue with it. 

I take no issue at all.  Facts are that 91% of robbery, assault, murder and other violent crimes committed on black folk are from other blacks. The other 9% is from all other races combined. If that was eliminated there would be so little violent crime against black that it would be hardly noticeable.

 

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37 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And it is less likely for African Americans....not for Hispanics, they work hard and don;t whine....

It is the CULTURE within the AA community that is the dominant impediment to their success. That is why they are less likely. Their culture allows for, and in some cases promotes, behaviors that our system does not reward.

The left-leaning Brookings Institute did a study, and put down some very simple things to do

It is not that hard.

"Blacks are lazy whiners, latinos are hard workers..." Do you not see how extremely prejudiced that belief is? And you constantly put it out there in your posts. I’m guessing you don’t know many black or latino people, because ... guess what? There are hard-working and lazy people of every race and gender. There is no monolithic black culture either.

There are still many people alive today who were born before 1965. It’s not hard to figure out why a group of people, systematically denied property, education, and employment by the government, hasn’t “caught up” to everybody else in one generation. It’s quite easy to see that the best predictor of financial success... is having financially successful parents.

But sure, blame some imagined “AA culture” as the real problem.

This prejudiced belief system is only going to grow in popularity if more states ban books and block the teaching of factual history if it just might make a little white kid feel bad. Um... the point of history is to feel bad about bad things in humanity’s past, and good about our past successes... all in the pursuit of maybe, just maybe... LEARNING something.

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43 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wow, you probably won't be poor if you have a full-time job?  Groundbreaking stuff.

Is having a job such a high bar to set??? 

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6 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

I take no issue at all.  Facts are that 91% of robbery, assault, murder and other violent crimes committed on black folk are from other blacks. The other 9% is from all other races combined. If that was eliminated there would be so little violent crime against black that it would be hardly noticeable.

 

Most crime is intra-racial because we live in mostly segregated communities. The biggest category of crime in America is white-on-white. 84% of white people murdered... were murdered by other white people.

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