Here comes the debt ceiling crisis: June 1

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

24 minutes ago, Strike said:

Watch.  This will last like two posts.  Why has Biden refused to negotiate over the debt celing until now? 

Because he's planning on running again and needs to get all the "points" he can. "See, I negotiated. See, I tried." 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because he’s a partisan fool. How the hell do I know? He’s behaving badly ( the rest of the Democrats aren’t helping.) 

So what part of the Republican proposal are you against? I assume you read all of it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So what part of the Republican proposal are you against? I assume you read all of it. 

I’ve only read descriptions. The biggest thing I am against is only raising it for one year. Beyond that I think the Dems should be willing to negotiate. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve only read descriptions. The biggest thing I am against is only raising it for one year. Beyond that I think the Dems should be willing to negotiate. 

Well, they can stop with the lying about VA benefits. So sick of these draft dodging chickenhawks hiding behind veterans. 

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, they can stop with the lying about VA benefits. So sick of these stat dodging chickenhawks hiding behind veterans. 

Are you sure it’s a lie? I read cutting across the board to 2022 levels. Wouldn’t that affect VA spending? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Are you sure it’s a lie? I read cutting across the board to 2022 levels. Wouldn’t that affect VA spending? 

Read some more. 

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Read some more. 

Thank you I have. 
 

The Republicans say there will be no cuts to the military or the VA, but they’re not specific as to what the cuts WILL be; they will be decided later by budget committees. And that gives an opening to Democrats to suggest that the VA will indeed be cut. 
 

The Republicans could simply solve this by stating where they want the cuts right now. But of course they won’t because they’re afraid to actually cut anything. It’s the same old nonsense. They want to show they’re serious about spending cuts but won’t specify except for a few areas to please their base: for instance increase restrictions on food stamps (which won’t add up to a hill of beans) and reduce IRS spending (which will actually increase the debt.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

The military is the most obvious place to cut spending because so much of the technology is antiquated; we are spending money on all sorts of expensive hardware we will never need. But of course neither Republicans nor Democrats will ever really look into this as they don’t want to appear anti-military, and there’s too many jobs in too many districts that continue to depend on Boeing, Lockheed and all the rest. It’s very frustrating. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Manchin doesnt seem very happy after the ass Fockin Biden gave him.  

[lickin_starfish 1,890]

My plan to save taxpayers money:

Stop paying for food, housing, and education for illegals. Launch them back over the Rio Grande from circus cannons.

Enact a 5 year lifetime limit for receiving Welfare. That gives people enough time to either get their rugrats into kindergarten or learn a job skill. After five years, you work or you get fired out of the circus cannon.

Stop sending money to Ukraine.

Lower every government employee's pay to $55K/year, including Congress. No overtime pay.

Eliminate all 3-letter agencies and teach the newly unemployed bureaucrats how to mine for coal and drill for gas.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Watching a 9/11 doc on Netflix.  Anyone crying about the money sent to Ukraine, drop in the bucket for what we wasted in Iraq.

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

Rofl...wait till the petro dollar disappears....we are so focked

[lickin_starfish 1,890]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Watching a 9/11 doc on Netflix.  Anyone crying about the money sent to Ukraine, drop in the bucket for what we wasted in Iraq.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because Bush lied us into war doesn't mean Biden gets to waste our money too.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Watching a 9/11 doc on Netflix.  Anyone crying about the money sent to Ukraine, drop in the bucket for what we wasted in Iraq.

Well, seeing as we are in it “as long as it takes” it’s a little early to be claiming it’s a drop in the bucket.  

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

We seem to moving towards disaster here and I’m having my doubts it’s going to be resolved. 

2010 was bad enough but one got the sense back then that reasonable minds would prevail. I’m not seeing that this time. There appears to be no deal that both Biden and the House Republicans can agree to accept. And while the usual “kick it down the road” is being offered (in this case, kick it to September/October when the annual budget will also be voted on), several of the most prominent people involved have already publicly stated that they will not accept that solution this time. 
 

The problem here, IMO, is that there are some people on both sides who actually want to see the debt ceiling fail: some Republicans who just want to blow everything up, and some Democrats who desire this catastrophe so that they can blame Republicans. These folks don’t care about any of us; they see it all as a big game. Screw them. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Do it.  

[nobody 2,557]

On 5/2/2023 at 12:44 PM, The Real timschochet said:

The military is the most obvious place to cut spending because so much of the technology is antiquated; we are spending money on all sorts of expensive hardware we will never need. But of course neither Republicans nor Democrats will ever really look into this as they don’t want to appear anti-military, and there’s too many jobs in too many districts that continue to depend on Boeing, Lockheed and all the rest. It’s very frustrating. 

What hardware are we spending money on that we will never need?

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

What hardware are we spending money on that we will never need?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/29/americas-military-is-choking-on-old-technology/
 

Good article on this. 

[nobody 2,557]

I wouldn't call that a good article.  There are virtually no real world examples.  I guess there is an attempt to hand wave it by mentioning a couple of platforms, but it doesn't mention what threats they meet and what the replacement would be.

Is the idea to replace everything with drones?  The military is already doing that.  It's a lot more complicated than just saying stop supporting current platforms and build drones.  You have to understand the threat laydowns and have a platform that can meet those threats until the newer technology is matured, built up, and there are enough units to replace current capability.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Tell Biden to Fock off. He’s out of control and needs to be taken down a peg. Let the crisis begin.  Maybe he will pay attention to this one. He’s not too concerned with the others. 

[Cdub100 3,826]

Keep raising it up. Who cares. Everything is going to sh1t anyway

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Why do we have to raise it? The economy is great. Everyone has a job almost. 

[MDC 7,123]

The fiscal hawks are back for the first time since 2015.

Never saw that coming.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Authoritarian.  

[Strike 5,185]

On 5/6/2023 at 1:31 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why do we have to raise it? The economy is great. Everyone has a job almost. 

Heck, many people have TWO jobs!!!!

[Horseman 2,353]

The sky is falling!

What a chode.  

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

Right now the news is looking good. Insiders are confident a deal will be done. There is grumbling, however, from both the far left and the MAGA crowd. 

I’ve no idea what the details are but when those two groups are unhappy it usually means good things for the rest of us (and for the country.) 

[RLLD 4,143]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Right now the news is looking good. Insiders are confident a deal will be done. There is grumbling, however, from both the far left and the MAGA crowd. 

I’ve no idea what the details are but when those two groups are unhappy it usually means good things for the rest of us (and for the country.) 

I might suggest that something will be worked out, but the result will have to allow each side to declare a political victory.  The internal debates are focused along these lines and not about the well being of the nation. 

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I might suggest that something will be worked out, but the result will have to allow each side to declare a political victory.  The internal debates are focused along these lines and not about the well being of the nation. 

Agreed. Sad but true. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

We’ll take what we can get on this. Then Fock them right in the asss come budget time. 

[dogcows 1,030]

I think Biden’s making a mistake if he gives the GOP House an inch.

They ran the deficit much higher under Trump and yet passed clean debt ceiling bills multiple times. The only time they do this is when there’s a Democrat in the White House. The best way to handle snots when they play this kind of game is just ignore them. Biden shouldn’t even have invited McCarthy to the White House for a discussion, period.

There is a budget passed every year. This can all be discussed then. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Libtards once again want to act like Covid didn’t happen and it had no affect on the deficit during Trump.   Oh well, what can you do. Low information voters.  

[thegeneral 2,891]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Libtards once again want to act like Covid didn’t happen and it had no affect on the deficit during Trump.   Oh well, what can you do. Low information voters.  

The debt was going up under him before Covid. Republican lawmakers love talking fiscal responsibility - when not in the WH.

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Libtards once again want to act like Covid didn’t happen and it had no affect on the deficit during Trump.   Oh well, what can you do. Low information voters.  

The number one cause of the deficit increase under Trump was the tax cut. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 5/2/2023 at 1:09 PM, GutterBoy said:

Watching a 9/11 doc on Netflix.  Anyone crying about the money sent to Ukraine, drop in the bucket for what we wasted in Iraq.

if bush didnt go into iraq, the democrats would have crucified him for being a weak leader.   nothing matters but winning elections to democrats.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

 nothing matters but winning elections to democrats and republicans.

agreed

[JustinCharge 2,397]

there is no national debt. 

its $31 trillion.  The US could nationalize a small part of one of its oil fields and sell it to cover the entire $31 trillion.  its like someone who owns a $50 million home owing someone $1000.  Its meaningless.  This is all a dong-and-pony show where members of congress get to pretend to be important while they ignore all the controversial issues of our time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

emphasis on dong because they get big energy running this circus.

[dogcows 1,030]

11 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

there is no national debt. 

its $31 trillion.  The US could nationalize a small part of one of its oil fields and sell it to cover the entire $31 trillion.  its like someone who owns a $50 million home owing someone $1000.  Its meaningless.  This is all a dong-and-pony show where members of congress get to pretend to be important while they ignore all the controversial issues of our time.

Agreed. The debt limit is nothing more than a political football.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The number one cause of the deficit increase under Trump was the tax cut. 

Not the spending? Not the interest we have to pay on the money we borrowed ? 

[MDC 7,123]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

there is no national debt. 

its $31 trillion.  The US could nationalize a small part of one of its oil fields and sell it to cover the entire $31 trillion.  its like someone who owns a $50 million home owing someone $1000.  Its meaningless.  This is all a dong-and-pony show where members of congress get to pretend to be important while they ignore all the controversial issues of our time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

emphasis on dong because they get big energy running this circus.

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