Trump INDICTED

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

38 minutes ago, BiPolarBear said:

Works for me, but I doubt it. A lawyer I follow on Tok-Tok has read the charges and thinks a convict is very likely, with maximum sentences around a 100 years. He also thinks that Trump will get "far less" in sentencing. 

Me, after conviction, I would sell lottery tickets to be a member of the firing squad, and guarantee no one would receive a blank. Put a dent in the national debt, and all.

I am a Democrat by default and hate their weakness. I went on a Democratic Party FB group and chewed the parties "leadership" out as cowards late one night. I got up in the morning all amped up to defend my position and give them another dose. Instead I got hundreds of likes, and not a single person came at me. 

A traitor is a traitor. If I voted for one, I sure as hell would not continue to support him or her after the treacherous truth was known. Hang them all with the same rope, on bulk trash day.

He is end-stage Hitler at this point. Paranoid. Delusional. Still thinking there is a path to victory. He's batshit crazy. 

[RogerDodger 797]

15 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Anyone heard from horseman?  He's gotta be hugging his trump doll rocking back and forth, sobbing away.

He ain't hanging out with you phags in here on a Friday night. Dude has a life.

12 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Cultist where you at?

Your master bout to get phuked in a bad way...

SAD

Where is everyone? Its Friday night and you dont have anything better to do.

2 x 100% LIFE LOSERS. 

[RogerDodger 797]

It's a real who's who of losers if you read the posts from last night.   Sad.

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

57 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

 

 

NRA has only 4.3 million members, not quite close to "most" of 75 million.  With math skills like that, it's now wonder she thinks she won the election. 

[Engorgeous George 2,134]

18 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

He is end-stage Hitler at this point. Paranoid. Delusional. Still thinking there is a path to victory. He's batshit crazy. 

Need to put Trump's face on Hitler's face in those Hitler rant videos and make a witch hunt rant video starting with Jan 6 right on through today.  I lack the proficiency to do so.

[The Real timschochet 6,429]

53 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

 

 

Do you approve of this message HT? 

[seafoam1 2,803]

8 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

NRA has only 4.3 million members, not quite close to "most" of 75 million.  With math skills like that, it's now wonder she thinks she won the election. 

And yet you liberals whine enough about it to cover 75 million worth. 

I guess that is just cover to keep from having to answer why you are all diddling little kids in the public school systems.

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

1 hour ago, BiPolarBear said:

Works for me, but I doubt it. A lawyer I follow on Tok-Tok has read the charges and thinks a convict is very likely, with maximum sentences around a 100 years. He also thinks that Trump will get "far less" in sentencing. .

 

Trump can say he was lying/embellishing/blustering in the audio. I'm not saying I'd believe that personally. I am saying operationally the constant attacks in the MSM about Trump's "lies" and embellishment and their perception of his "incompetence/ignorance" will work in his favor here. 

Showing someone a piece of paper that's an official government document and actually allowing them to closely view it and read it are two different things. Again, I'm not saying I'd believe that kind of legal defense personally, especially from a narcissist like Trump, but it's a pathway. 

What's more critical is if Mark Meadows simply goes to save himself here and is willing to testify against Trump. In that regard, DeSantis can privately cut a deal with Meadows to do it ( as DeSantis benefits tremendously in his POTUS bid if this situation gets worse and worse for Trump) 

What Walt Nauta, the "valet" does is also critical here. 

So when the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, they do so in force with actual tactical units. Also they took lots of items, including Trump's passports, and documents NOT related to the actual search warrants. 

Legally speaking, do I think Trump gets around this somehow? No. Will having this trial in Florida help him? Given this is DeSantis' turf and it's in his interests to see Trump burned to the ground over this, I'd say "No"

Will an alleged "Trump friendly" judge in Aileen Cannon help Trump here? I'd say given the totality of everything involved, that answer is also "No"  DeSantis can also privately cut a deal with her. 

Does the practical timeline of the projectible trial help or hurt the DNC here? I don't think they can slow walk this case with DeSantis' back channel influence in the mix. The more compelling the evidence against Trump, the more Meadows and Nauta are incentivized to just find the first life raft possible for themselves to burn Trump. 

The DNC is in an equally bad spot here. They wanted Trump dragged out into the dirt and smeared, they didn't want him actually convicted. Because they know they can't defeat DeSantis ( or even Haley or Tim Scott) for 2024 POTUS. If Trump is magically not convicted, then it lends to Team Blue incompetence that disillusions their own base ( i.e. you went after this same tired old motherf**ker for 8+ years and you still can't get him?) If he is convicted, then DeSantis will take the White House and go on major "revenge tour" against the entire Democratic establishment for likely 8 straight years. 

Hurting Trump helps the Democrats in elections. Hurting him THIS BADLY does not. They only needed to bleed him out some, not actually put him down legally. But once the ball started rolling, it goes out of their control. Jack Smith could have also cut a private deal with DeSantis. 

That's the thing about all this. The worse it gets for Trump, the more DeSantis has more to practically trade in private to everyone involved. ( including offer Trump and his family future full pardons for the vaunted "MAGA endorsement") 

That would be completely bizarre and almost fitting, if the constant persecution of Trump caused the DNC, Team Blue HQ and the Obama/Biden regime to face off against someone who is functionally more of a threat to them than Trump in DeSantis. Two different things can be true at once. That Trump is guilty here on many counts AND he is right in that he is being relentlessly persecuted for taking on the "establishment" 

DeSantis has been accused of participating in torture in Guantanamo Bay. You think he's going to show Team Blue any mercy if he takes complete power here? 

[Wade Garrett 155]

2 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

Trump can say he was lying/embellishing/blustering in the audio. I'm not saying I'd believe that personally. I am saying operationally the constant attacks in the MSM about Trump's "lies" and embellishment and their perception of his "incompetence/ignorance" will work in his favor here. 

Showing someone a piece of paper that's an official government document and actually allowing them to closely view it and read it are two different things. Again, I'm not saying I'd believe that kind of legal defense personally, especially from a narcissist like Trump, but it's a pathway. 

What's more critical is if Mark Meadows simply goes to save himself here and is willing to testify against Trump. In that regard, DeSantis can privately cut a deal with Meadows to do it ( as DeSantis benefits tremendously in his POTUS bid if this situation gets worse and worse for Trump) 

What Walt Nauta, the "valet" does is also critical here. 

So when the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, they do so in force with actual tactical units. Also they took lots of items, including Trump's passports, and documents NOT related to the actual search warrants. 

Legally speaking, do I think Trump gets around this somehow? No. Will having this trial in Florida help him? Given this is DeSantis' turf and it's in his interests to see Trump burned to the ground over this, I'd say "No"

Will an alleged "Trump friendly" judge in Aileen Cannon help Trump here? I'd say given the totality of everything involved, that answer is also "No"  DeSantis can also privately cut a deal with her. 

Does the practical timeline of the projectible trial help or hurt the DNC here? I don't think they can slow walk this case with DeSantis' back channel influence in the mix. The more compelling the evidence against Trump, the more Meadows and Nauta are incentivized to just find the first life raft possible for themselves to burn Trump. 

The DNC is in an equally bad spot here. They wanted Trump dragged out into the dirt and smeared, they didn't want him actually convicted. Because they know they can't defeat DeSantis ( or even Haley or Tim Scott) for 2024 POTUS. If Trump is magically not convicted, then it lends to Team Blue incompetence that disillusions their own base ( i.e. you went after this same tired old motherf**ker for 8+ years and you still can't get him?) If he is convicted, then DeSantis will take the White House and go on major "revenge tour" against the entire Democratic establishment for likely 8 straight years. 

Hurting Trump helps the Democrats in elections. Hurting him THIS BADLY does not. They only needed to bleed him out some, not actually put him down legally. But once the ball started rolling, it goes out of their control. Jack Smith could have also cut a private deal with DeSantis. 

That's the thing about all this. The worse it gets for Trump, the more DeSantis has more to practically trade in private to everyone involved. ( including offer Trump and his family future full pardons for the vaunted "MAGA endorsement") 

That would be completely bizarre and almost fitting, if the constant persecution of Trump caused the DNC, Team Blue HQ and the Obama/Biden regime to face off against someone who is functionally more of a threat to them than Trump in DeSantis. Two different things can be true at once. That Trump is guilty here on many counts AND he is right in that he is being relentlessly persecuted for taking on the "establishment" 

DeSantis has been accused of participating in torture in Guantanamo Bay. You think he's going to show Team Blue any mercy if he takes complete power here? 

If DeSantis is the nominee he'll get curbstomped like Trump will.  He signed a law banning abortion in his state.  You think the non-cultist/sky fairy believers will vote for someone like that?

Never.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

29 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Need to put Trump's face on Hitler's face in those Hitler rant videos and make a witch hunt rant video starting with Jan 6 right on through today.  I lack the proficiency to do so.

I couldn't find anything like that, but I did find this:

 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

This is the same FBI and DOJ exposed for spying on Trump in the Durham report and now say Trump committed crimes in his home??

Jesus...this is the USA?  Not anymore

[Wade Garrett 155]

Just now, Cloaca du jour said:

This is the same FBI and DOJ exposed for spying on Trump in the Durham report and now say Trump committed crimes in his home??

Jesus...this is the USA?  Not anymore

LMFAO you must have read a different Durham report.

Anyways, your cult master will get his day in court.  It's not like a Fed indictment and 37 counts is a bigly deal.

Surely "Teflon Don" will slip out of trouble yet again...but I'd stock up on some Kleenexes were I you since the cultist tears are likely to be biblical when Dark Brandon sends the Orange Moron up the river for a good spell.

Love this for you deplorables. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

This is the same FBI and DOJ exposed for spying on Trump in the Durham report and now say Trump committed crimes in his home??

Jesus...this is the USA?  Not anymore

Did you read the evidence?  You think it's all fake?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

37 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you approve of this message HT? 

Nope. Not the guns part. Do you agree with Pelosi wondering why there aren’t more riots in the streets? 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

If DeSantis is the nominee he'll get curbstomped like Trump will.  He signed a law banning abortion in his state.  You think the non-cultist/sky fairy believers will vote for someone like that?

Never.

 

 

 

 

From a projection standpoint, there are 15-22 million Pro Life Democrats in America right now. 

When SCOTUS flipped over Roe and put abortion rights back to their respective states, that was a HUGE WIN for Pro Life. In response, the DNC and Team Blue pushed hard on many abortion policies that are seen as too extreme. I.E. like the Women's Health Protection Act, which doesn't line up with the views of most polled voters, on both sides of the aisle, on the average. (including things like use of tax dollars, religious exemptions and parental notification) 

Will Pro Life Democrats convert in mass to single issue voters? That's hard to say. But it's a huge threat to the DNC all down the ticket. Can it swing an election? It depends on how it relates to many suburban women voters in total in key battle grounds. 

The abortion issues WILL HURT DeSantis in a general election. However the key takeaway is will parents today in America care more about the kids they can barely feed now versus the hypothetical kids they don't have yet?  Abortion is not the top listed issue for polled Americans at large. It's the economy and inflation. Basic civil order and public safety is up there too. Abortion is something most people don't face daily as an issue. However grocery store prices, housing costs and gasoline prices, plus seeing the impact of lockdowns on their kids, that's a HUGE daily driver of how working class Americans will react to all this. 

Young college educated white women ( the ones that Jen Psaki appeals to at large) will probably vote for a Democrat. They are also the most engaged on the abortion issue. It doesn't help you to win a general election to hammer a "wedge issue" that only reinforces votes you already likely have. 

I'm not saying moderates, independents and undecideds don't care about abortion at all. But it's not a daily driver of concern for most of them. The economy and that most young people can't afford to buy a home or it appears hopeless to get to retirement is a much larger threatening issue. 

2016 was more about voters who hated Clinton more than Trump

2020 was more about voters who hated Trump more than Biden

So why can't 2024 be about voters who absolutely despise Biden and anything to do with Biden, even if some of them have to bite their nose for DeSantis? 

Abortion is a problem for DeSantis. But it's likely not enough to stop him. If it's DeSantis Vs Biden in the 2024 general election, DeSantis wins. If you put DeSantis against ANY brand name "contender" for the DNC ticket a year from now, DeSantis still wins. DeSantis would equally crush Harris, Buttigieg, Williamson and Newsom. He might not survive RFK Jr. However the DNC has done everything possible to assure that RFK Jr is put on a shelf, just like Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders. 

I'm talking practical political strategy here. Just are just pushing more of your radical leftist " feelings over everything " narrative. 

The majority of Americans are furious and terrified about the economy and inflation. Biden has no practical answer for that. That's just going to be a bigger 2024 issue than abortion. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Even his own daughter is distancing herself from him.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ivanka-trump-disappeared-miami-stay-131615000.html

[Fnord 2,051]

On 6/8/2023 at 5:27 PM, jonmx said:

I hate the leftist authoritarian ideology.  I don't hate the typical leftist.  Just think they easily manipulated ignorant buffoons who have no idea what good governance is.  

 

4 hours ago, jonmx said:

Oh please, the modern leftists are authoritarian bastards who use the force of government to advance their ideological bigotry and do not give a rats ass whose rights they abuse.   Far worse than Trump.  Trump is just a populist egostical idiot.

You're a lying, projecting, ignorant, radicalized whackjob. Do us all a favor and lock yourself up in a padded room without internet access and contemplate your life choices. Pray, find Jesus, whatever. People with your ideological taint will be the ones that violently destroy this country and turn it into an autocratic dystopia. But it's not too late for you. Let go of the hatred and realize that those that do not share your beliefs are not the enemy.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

Ultra Lefty The Intercept - I EXPERIENCED JACK SMITH’S ZEAL FIRSTHAND. WILL TRUMP GET THE SAME TREATMENT?

“Unfortunately, I have firsthand experience with Smith’s aggressiveness. He was part of the Justice Department team that turned my life upside down by trying, for seven years, to force me to reveal confidential sources that I’d used to report on a botched CIA operation.”

“The Justice Department first subpoenaed me in January 2008 to try to get me to reveal my sources and continued to target me until January 2015. The Justice Department kept coming at me, even though the federal judge in my case repeatedly ruled against them and sided with me. Each time the judge quashed one of their subpoenas, I thought I was finally done — but then the prosecutors would issue another one. It was excruciating.”

“Still, I refused to reveal my sources, and the Justice Department finally gave in. I won the battle in 2015, but only after the case went to the Supreme Court, and only after then-Attorney General Eric Holder ordered the prosecutors to back off because he was getting so much bad press for seeking to jail a reporter for refusing to disclose his confidential sources.”

“I know that the prosecution team was angered by Holder’s order to give up; they wanted to keep coming after me.”

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

You're a lying, projecting, ignorant, radicalized whackjob. Do us all a favor and lock yourself up in a padded room without internet access and contemplate your life choices. Pray, find Jesus, whatever. People with your ideological taint will be the ones that violently destroy this country and turn it into an autocratic dystopia. But it's not too late for you. Let go of the hatred and realize that those that do not share your beliefs are not the enemy.

Feel better?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

Jack Smith is the worst kind of lawman. So steadfast in his ideology he can justify his actions. He’s on the side of good, a crusader.  

[seafoam1 2,803]

10 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

You're a lying, projecting, ignorant, radicalized whackjob. Do us all a favor and lock yourself up in a padded room without internet access and contemplate your life choices. Pray, find Jesus, whatever. People with your ideological taint will be the ones that violently destroy this country and turn it into an autocratic dystopia. But it's not too late for you. Let go of the hatred and realize that those that do not share your beliefs are not the enemy.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Jack Smith is the worst kind of lawman. So steadfast in his ideology he can justify his actions. He’s on the side of good, a crusader.  

Jack Smith is a hatchet man who was unanimously overturned by the Supreme Court in his case against Bob McDonnell. His case with no legal basis against John Edwards failed

Smith is hiding who is on his staff 

His wife is a Biden donor who made a Michelle Obama documentary

[The Real timschochet 6,429]

7 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Jack Smith is a hatchet man who was unanimously overturned by the Supreme Court in his case against Bob McDonnell. His case with no legal basis against John Edwards failed

Smith is hiding who is on his staff 

His wife is a Biden donor who made a Michelle Obama documentary

If the charges listed on the indictment are true, what should happen to Donald Trump? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If the charges listed on the indictment are true, what should happen to Donald Trump? 

Pay a fine. Move on. This isn’t a prison thing. If it is you better build some more if there is going to be an equal application of the law. Hillary was careless. She got nothing.  

[posty 2,612]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If the charges listed on the indictment are true, what should happen to Donald Trump? 

Biden step up and pardon him...

[seafoam1 2,803]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If the charges listed on the indictment are true, what should happen to Donald Trump? 

The real crime is half the coutry spending all their time and taxpayer's money to chase a ghost because you are all TDS inflicted. 

8 years of it you POS.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

This is the kind of guy Jack Smith is:  I worked with a guy, a self righteous holy roller. He caught a guy from up on Westchester batting head from a hooker in the Bronx. He comes up to me and tells me he’s going to call the guys wife and tell him what he wants up to. Started with the high and mighty preaching shite. I explained to him what was what and let him know he’s overstepping, MYOB.  He backed off but remained a dooshbag.  Thankfully he left for some small town, where he belonged. Smith is the same type, going outside of his scope because he’s on the side of righteousness.  

[The Real timschochet 6,429]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Pay a fine. Move on. This isn’t a prison thing. If it is you better build some more if there is going to be an equal application of the law. Hillary was careless. She got nothing.  

One of the charges is that Trump showed classified, top secret documents dealing with our military defenses to a reporter. Do you believe a fine is a suitable punishment if this is true? 
 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,429]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is the kind of guy Jack Smith is:  I worked with a guy, a self righteous holy roller. He caught a guy from up on Westchester batting head from a hooker in the Bronx. He comes up to me and tells me he’s going to call the guys wife and tell him what he wants up to. Started with the high and mighty preaching shite. I explained to him what was what and let him know he’s overstepping, MYOB.  He backed off but remained a dooshbag.  Thankfully he left for some small town, where he belonged. Smith is the same type, going outside of his scope because he’s on the side of righteousness.  

Can you specify how Jack Smith went outside of his scope here? 

[thegeneral 2,912]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is the kind of guy Jack Smith is:  I worked with a guy, a self righteous holy roller. He caught a guy from up on Westchester batting head from a hooker in the Bronx. He comes up to me and tells me he’s going to call the guys wife and tell him what he wants up to. Started with the high and mighty preaching shite. I explained to him what was what and let him know he’s overstepping, MYOB.  He backed off but remained a dooshbag.  Thankfully he left for some small town, where he belonged. Smith is the same type, going outside of his scope because he’s on the side of righteousness.  

Neat story!

[thegeneral 2,912]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Can you specify how Jack Smith went outside of his scope here? 

Because HT one time worked with a guy who did this one thing and he thought this one thing and that is that and Biden is a criminal. 

[The Real timschochet 6,429]

This new attempt to paint Jack Smith as Inspector Javert is highly amusing. Even if it were true, Donald Trump is about the most unlikely Jean Valjean one could imagine. Thenardier would be a better fit. 

[jonmx 2,424]

4 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roundup-of-anti-lgbtq-legislation-advancing-in-states-across-the-country

Lots of hyperbole in the article, but nothing in there contradicts what I said, which was:

LGBTQ people are free to do whatever they please in their personal life without any retributions.  

Let's skip all the BS in the article and cut to their factual complaints:

• • Laws banning gender affirming care for transgender youth: 15

• Laws which protect children, not adults.  Adults are still perfectly free to do whatever they like in private, including making decisions to cut off their balls.

• • Laws requiring or allowing misgendering of transgender students: 7

• Nothing to do with impacting people's personal lives.   This only prevents teacher's attempts of grooming children.

• • Laws targeting drag performances: 2

• They are perfectly free to do drag shows, just not where children can attend.  Grown men who want to sexually flaunt their bodies in front of children are commonly known pedophiles.  

• • Laws creating a license to discriminate: 3

• I have no idea what this spin even means.   

• • Laws censoring school curriculum, including books: 4

What goes on inside schools are not personal lives.  Parents are free to groom their children. With whatever porn they wish, but there is no requirement that taxpayers fund it.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

45 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

One of the charges is that Trump showed classified, top secret documents dealing with our military defenses to a reporter. Do you believe a fine is a suitable punishment if this is true? 
 

 

considering bill clinton did not go to jail, trump should not pay a penny and not go to jail.  i dont care about what you personally think is the worse crime.  as long as bill clinton is a free man, so should trump.  PERIOD.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

If the charges listed on the indictment are true, what should happen to Donald Trump? 

More than 2,000 of the 30,490 emails Clinton turned over to the State Department contained classified information, including 110 emails in 52 email chains that contained classified information at the time they were sent or received. She also lied to the fbi. 

There’s also the matter of the Presidential Record Act. In the Bill Clinton case, the Justice Department argued that the Archive was not empowered to recategorize material that Clinton had designated to be a personal record. The department abandoned that stance when it seized Trump's documents.

You are all authoritarian douchbags 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Even his own daughter is distancing herself from him.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ivanka-trump-disappeared-miami-stay-131615000.html

So they won’t be showering together? 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

51 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Jack Smith is a hatchet man who was unanimously overturned by the Supreme Court in his case against Bob McDonnell. His case with no legal basis against John Edwards failed

Smith is hiding who is on his staff 

His wife is a Biden donor who made a Michelle Obama documentary

 

That all might be true. Jack Smith might be corrupt, his motives operating as full partisan and he might be getting a massive payoff in some fashion from those related to the DNC to push this forward.

But that's an entirely separate issue that Trump is in a very bad legal spot right now. Trump opened his mouth and made things worse for himself. In some part, I don't blame him on an emotional level when state "officials" just come gunning for him relentlessly. The first instinct is to deny them everything. Fight everything. Attack everyone. I get that part of it. If you are attacked long enough, and it's been 8 plus years non stop, your nerves are going to be frayed. 

But like in most cases for Trump, he takes a bad situation, and he often finds a way to make it worse for himself. If Trump literally said NOTHING from 2016 on, literally not said a single word and avoided social media and let Kellyanne Conway run the country, he'd probably still be POTUS today. When he called Georgia's Governor Kemp post election in 2020, Trump was asking him to to use his gubernatorial emergency powers to override the office of the Secretary of State (essentially overrule Raffensperger)  That in itself is technically not illegal. No matter how much the MSM and DNC scream out about it, it's technically not a violation of the law. But it looks bad and it makes a bad situation even worse. 

I don't accept the "whataboutism" about Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Newsom and the rest from the radical leftists here so I won't from the Conservatives here when it comes to Trump. ( Now, point to note, the radical leftists here won't hold to that standard themselves, but that's why they are low value participants in this forum. The rule for Conservatives here and everywhere should be  to ignore the worst parts of the radical left and not engage in the same stupid BS they do. They would defend Biden to no end no matter what. Even when the practical mechanics of the situation completely dictate otherwise. Conservatives and Republicans win when we hold ourselves to that higher standard. I'm not picking on you, I'm just saying when Tim and the rest act like angry petty children, we don't have to join them in their chaos and tribalism  )

The complication here is that many people in Florida will hard line support DeSantis. So if they are on a jury, they might tank Trump intentionally to see DeSantis move forward. Also Mitch McConnell, Steve Scalise, Kevin McCarthy and Elise Stefanik all have incentive to see Trump convicted. They all believe, and I won't argue with them, that the entire "Stop The Steal" element and Trump cost the GOP the Mid Terms sweep they were projected to have. If not for Lee Zeldin's true staying power in NY, this past Mid Terms could have ended very badly for Republicans in Congress. 

Trump can't shut up. He just can't. And this time it's likely going to cost him very badly. 

But just like a mess of cow crap in a field looks like nothing, sometimes a rose blooms from it. There is a pathway for a Conservative win here with DeSantis.  IMHO, Conservatives and Republicans should just take the win that's in front of them, but it's not always the win they want. 

The open establishment persecution of Trump is NOT FAIR and it's repugnant for actual democracy. It's indefensible. But one battle at a time my friend, one battle at a time. The first step is to retake the White House. Then try to win as many seats in Congress as possible in 2024. Then the GOP can go from there. If Jack Smith is partisan and corrupt, then let DeSantis go get him later while being President. 

What Conservatives IMHO need to see is that functional "justice" is a process. No one can skip to Item 78 on the list when the situation says it's still just Item 12 to be handled first. You get all your enemies cooked for good by being measured, steady and methodical. 

Trump is in a very very very bad spot here legally. He was certainly targeted. But he did his own part to make this all worse. Conservatives don't benefit by looking at the former more than the later. To do so would make us all as horrible and partisan and gutless as the radical leftists out there. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 minute ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

That all might be true. Jack Smith might be corrupt, his motives operating as full partisan and he might be getting a massive payoff in some fashion from those related to the DNC to push this forward.

But that's an entirely separate issue that Trump is in a very bad legal spot right now. Trump opened his mouth and made things worse for himself. In some part, I don't blame him on an emotional level when state "officials" just come gunning for him relentlessly. The first instinct is to deny them everything. Fight everything. Attack everyone. I get that part of it. If you are attacked long enough, and it's been 8 plus years non stop, your nerves are going to be frayed. 

But like in most cases for Trump, he takes a bad situation, and he often finds a way to make it worse for himself. If Trump literally said NOTHING from 2016 on, literally not said a single word and avoided social media and let Kellyanne Conway run the country, he'd probably still be POTUS today. When he called Georgia's Governor Kemp post election in 2020, Trump was asking him to to use his gubernatorial emergency powers to override the office of the Secretary of State (essentially overrule Raffensperger)  That in itself is technically not illegal. No matter how much the MSM and DNC scream out about it, it's technically not a violation of the law. But it looks bad and it makes a bad situation even worse. 

I don't accept the "whataboutism" about Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Newsom and the rest from the radical leftists here so I won't from the Conservatives here when it comes to Trump. ( Now, point to note, the radical leftists here won't hold to that standard themselves, but that's why they are low value participants in this forum. The rule for Conservatives here and everywhere should be  to ignore the worst parts of the radical left and not engage in the same stupid BS they do. They would defend Biden to no end no matter what. Even when the practical mechanics of the situation completely dictate otherwise. Conservatives and Republicans win when we hold ourselves to that higher standard. I'm not picking on you, I'm just saying when Tim and the rest act like angry petty children, we don't have to join them in their chaos and tribalism  )

The complication here is that many people in Florida will hard line support DeSantis. So if they are on a jury, they might tank Trump intentionally to see DeSantis move forward. Also Mitch McConnell, Steve Scalise, Kevin McCarthy and Elise Stefanik all have incentive to see Trump convicted. They all believe, and I won't argue with them, that the entire "Stop The Steal" element and Trump cost the GOP the Mid Terms sweep they were projected to have. If not for Lee Zeldin's true staying power in NY, this past Mid Terms could have ended very badly for Republicans in Congress. 

Trump can't shut up. He just can't. And this time it's likely going to cost him very badly. 

But just like a mess of cow crap in a field looks like nothing, sometimes a rose blooms from it. There is a pathway for a Conservative win here with DeSantis.  IMHO, Conservatives and Republicans should just take the win that's in front of them, but it's not always the win they want. 

The open establishment persecution of Trump is NOT FAIR and it's repugnant for actual democracy. It's indefensible. But one battle at a time my friend, one battle at a time. The first step is to retake the White House. Then try to win as many seats in Congress as possible in 2024. Then the GOP can go from there. If Jack Smith is partisan and corrupt, then let DeSantis go get him later while being President. 

What Conservatives IMHO need to see is that functional "justice" is a process. No one can skip to Item 78 on the list when the situation says it's still just Item 12 to be handled first. You get all your enemies cooked for good by being measured, steady and methodical. 

Trump is in a very very very bad spot here legally. He was certainly targeted. But he did his own part to make this all worse. Conservatives don't benefit by looking at the former more than the later. To do so would make us all as horrible and partisan and gutless as the radical leftists out there. 

If the Espionage Act means Presidents can’t retain any classified documents, then the Presidential Record Act is all but meaningless. 

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1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Did you read the evidence?  You think it's all fake?

Yes

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