Trump INDICTED

[Hardcore troubadour 14,941]

1 hour ago, paulinstl said:

Yes I have and it is very clear that the Espionage charges stem directly from Trump's willful retention of documents. It is just that simple, it has never been about spying, and it will never be.
 

In this case, former President Trump hasn’t been charged with spying for a foreign government, or espionage as we normally think about it, but he has been charged with willfully withholding national defense information – which is the way that a case like this is normally charged,

You read the indictment? Where? Normally charged?  Holy Fock.  

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You read the indictment? Where? Normally charged?  Holy Fock.  

Do I need to re-post the exact language in that section of The Espionage Act that Trump is being charged with? People who willfully withhold classified documents ae normally charged with that section of the law. It's not that complicated. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,941]

1 minute ago, paulinstl said:

Do I need to re-post the exact language in that section of The Espionage Act that Trump is being charged with? People who willfully withhold classified documents ae normally charged with that section of the law. It's not that complicated. 

I asked if you read the indictment and where you did. Are you going to answer that? 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I asked if you read the indictment and where you did. Are you going to answer that? 

I read them on my computer in my living room, I think I was wearing jeans and a polo.

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. If you have to stretch to the espionage act instead of the PRA that should tell you something. Have you read the indictment? 

Yeah, real stretch, guy got convicted of exactly this, just this month.

Section 793(e), makes it a crime when someone without authorization “willfully retains” national defense information “and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it."

 

 

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Retired Air Force officer sentenced to 3 years for storing classified information at his Florida home

A retired Air Force lieutenant colonel was sentenced to three years in federal prison Thursday for storing files with classified information at his Florida home, the Department of Justice announced.

Robert Birchum pleaded guilty earlier this year to unlawfully possessing and retaining classified documents relating to national defense, the department said in a news release.

Birchum served nearly three decades in the Air Force and held several roles that required him to handle classified information, prosecutors said. In his plea agreement, Birchum admitted to having stored hundreds of files that contained information with top secret, secret or confidential classification markings in unauthorized locations.

 

In 2017, investigators found that Birchum “knowingly removed more than 300 classified files or documents” and kept them in “his home, his overseas officer’s headquarters, and a storage pod in his driveway,” according to the release. More than 30 of those files and documents were marked “Top Secret” – the highest level of classification.

 

 

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The judge sets trial date for August. 
 

I’m stunned by this. Most experts predicted a year away. Certainly Trump will try to seek delays. But he’s gotta be panicking about this. 

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The judge sets trial date for August. 
 

I’m stunned by this. Most experts predicted a year away. Certainly Trump will try to seek delays. But he’s gotta be panicking about this. 

Wow, that is so much earlier than I ever thought.  
 

I posted an excerpt(previous page) from his Fox interview, pretty funny stuff.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,941]

7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yeah, real stretch, guy got convicted of exactly this, just this month.

Section 793(e), makes it a crime when someone without authorization “willfully retains” national defense information “and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it."

 

 

 

Oh. That guy had declassification authorization?  Normally.  Lol. 

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18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

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Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

 

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trump-indictment.pdf (d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net)

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, paulinstl said:

trump-indictment.pdf (d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net)

omg!!!

8 years of this. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Wow, that is so much earlier than I ever thought.  
 

I posted an excerpt(previous page) from his Fox interview, pretty funny stuff.

Keeps iran war plans wrapped up with his golf clothes

 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

17 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

omg!!!

8 years of this. 

 

Actually it sounds like only a few more months. 

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Bill Barr is saying that Trump may soon be charged with crimes related to Jan 6. I don’t consider Barr that reliable of a source, but as a former AG, I suppose this rumor is worth mentioning.

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

56 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. That guy had declassification authorization?  Normally.  Lol. 

Neither did Trump when he got the subpoena telling him to return the classified information, that he was ILLEGALLY RETAINING.  

[Mike Honcho 5,097]

10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Bill Barr is saying that Trump may soon be charged with crimes related to Jan 6. I don’t consider Barr that reliable of a source, but as a former AG, I suppose this rumor is worth mentioning.

Yeah, think it has to do with the fake elector scheme.

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5 hours ago, paulinstl said:

Do I need to re-post the exact language in that section of The Espionage Act that Trump is being charged with? People who willfully withhold classified documents ae normally charged with that section of the law. It's not that complicated. 

You could, but he definitely won't read it or change his mind based on facts and evidence, the definitions of which MAGAmooks are completely divorced from.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,941]

12 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You could, but he definitely won't read it or change his mind based on facts and evidence, the definitions of which MAGAmooks are completely divorced from.

No I get it. The PRA isn’t criminal. So they went to the espionage act to get a criminal indictment.  Which was the purpose of the espionage act, right?  Moron.  

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26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No I get it. The PRA isn’t criminal. So they went to the espionage act to get a criminal indictment.  Which was the purpose of the espionage act, right?  Moron.  

You've had it explained to you so many times that the rest of us can practically quote the statute by heart. Yet you can't grasp it. This is an epidemic among MAGAmooks. What do we think the root causes of this inability to process information could possibly be?

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32 minutes ago, Fnord said:

You've had it explained to you so many times that the rest of us can practically quote the statute by heart. Yet you can't grasp it. This is an epidemic among MAGAmooks. What do we think the root causes of this inability to process information could possibly be?

What am I wrong about? They went to the espionage act when there is the PRA to cover these disputes. But it’s only civil. Again, the espionage act was written to deal with espionage and attempted espionage.  Tell me who Trump was or going to commit espionage for and you’ll have something. This is Just like FISA court abuse. A means to an end, being manipulated to get the desired result. The fact you can’t see that says it all. 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What am I wrong about? They went to the espionage act when there is the PRA to cover these disputes. But it’s only civil. Again, the espionage act was written to deal with espionage and attempted espionage.  Tell me who Trump was or going to commit espionage for and you’ll have something. This is Just like FISA court abuse. A means to an end, being manipulated to get the desired result. 

Here you go

All his doing. He’s a dumbass and got caught here…because he’s a dumbass.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,941]

Trump may be guilty as all hell. But the espionage act doesn’t belong anywhere near this.  

[jerryskids 6,567]

 

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The judge sets trial date for August. 
 

I’m stunned by this. Most experts predicted a year away. Certainly Trump will try to seek delays. But he’s gotta be panicking about this. 

 

6 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Wow, that is so much earlier than I ever thought.  
 

I posted an excerpt(previous page) from his Fox interview, pretty funny stuff.

Interesting.  I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I strongly believe that the timing of all of the Trump legal stuff is being orchestrated as part of a larger DNC and/or Deep State plan for him.  I'd have guessed they would want to drag this up near the election for maximum value, but maybe the fear is that doing so would make him more of a martyr?

On a related note, I also believe that they are saving the Georgia SOS vote issue as the final bullet to finally be rid of him, when they so choose.  I mean cmon, they have him on tape asking to find votes.  Why hasn't he been indicted for that yet?  The only explanation IMO is a planned sequence of events.

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Just now, jerryskids said:

 

 

Interesting.  I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I strongly believe that the timing of all of the Trump legal stuff is being orchestrated as part of a larger DNC and/or Deep State plan for him.  I'd have guessed they would want to drag this up near the election for maximum value, but maybe the fear is that doing so would make him more of a martyr?

On a related note, I also believe that they are saving the Georgia SOS vote issue as the final bullet to finally be rid of him, when they so choose.  I mean cmon, they have him on tape asking to find votes.  Why hasn't he been indicted for that yet?  The only explanation IMO is a planned sequence of events.

Sorry but you are a conspiracy theorist. Your post here assumes that there is a group (the Deep State, the DNC, etc) giving plans and orders to the independent counsel, and the attorney general of Georgia, and that all of this is carefully orchestrated, and that nobody is willing to expose these facts to the media (or perhaps the media is part of the conspiracy?) 

I don’t know why people have so much resistance to the simple fact that the leading factor in most of what occurs is …chaos. There is no master plan. The independent counsel is acting on his own. Trump won in 2016 due to luck, not the Russians, and lost in 2020 due to luck, not any cheating. The Georgia attorney general is acting on her own. Trump decided to keep the documents on a whim, and his decision to call the Georgia Secretary of State (the basis for his coming indictment) was made on the spur on the moment. Trump had no clue that folks would riot on January 6 (sorry Dems) but he was happy when they did which is why he didn’t call them off. 

None of this is was deeply planned on either side. There is no Deep State, and there is no Marxist plan to turn our kids into transgenders. There is no conservative plot to turn this country into a fascist dictatorship. It’s all bullsh!t. Almost everything that happens is by chance. 

[wiffleball 4,788]

Seems like that word is mispelled. 

 

It's not, but...

[dogcows 1,030]

34 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

 

Interesting.  I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I strongly believe that the timing of all of the Trump legal stuff is being orchestrated as part of a larger DNC and/or Deep State plan for him.  I'd have guessed they would want to drag this up near the election for maximum value, but maybe the fear is that doing so would make him more of a martyr?

On a related note, I also believe that they are saving the Georgia SOS vote issue as the final bullet to finally be rid of him, when they so choose.  I mean cmon, they have him on tape asking to find votes.  Why hasn't he been indicted for that yet?  The only explanation IMO is a planned sequence of events.

I don’t know why it is taking so long for Georgia. I do know that the governor and legislature aren’t fans of Fani Willis pursuing this, so perhaps she is hamstrung? I think it might be related to securing plea deals from some of the fake electors first. Those witnesses would be key to a prosecution.

As for the feds, the reason for the delay is pretty obvious. They kept giving Trump chances to return the documents. If he’d simply given them back within a year of being asked, we wouldn’t be here. I suspect they thought he’d follow his lawyers’ advice and give them up... but eventually had to go to Florida and physically take them.

If this is some super secret plan by the DNC DERP STATE to CRUCIFY TRUMP then they didn’t think it through. These trials can go on for a long time, so they should have started way sooner if the point was to affect the 2024 election. Instead, the legal process will most likely be ongoing during the 2024 campaign, which does nothing to stop Trump from running, but could boost him in the polls if his supporters see him as some kind of martyr.

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump may be guilty as all hell. But the espionage act doesn’t belong anywhere near this.  

It's not about anything other than this: 

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 or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

Trump withheld classified documents putting him in violation of that section of the Espionage Act. Suppose it was an employee of The State Department that was in possession of classified information and intentionally withheld them in violation of a subpoena demanding their return. Does the Justice Department need to prove anything else to charge under this law? Bear in mind that you claim to have been a cop. Did you have to prove intent to distribute to arrest someone on a possession charge?

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Interesting.  I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I strongly believe that the timing of all of the Trump legal stuff is being orchestrated as part of a larger DNC and/or Deep State plan for him.  I'd have guessed they would want to drag this up near the election for maximum value, but maybe the fear is that doing so would make him more of a martyr?

On a related note, I also believe that they are saving the Georgia SOS vote issue as the final bullet to finally be rid of him, when they so choose.  I mean cmon, they have him on tape asking to find votes.  Why hasn't he been indicted for that yet?  The only explanation IMO is a planned sequence of events.

There is no conspiracy. This judge is a Trump appointment who the Lib media was crapping their pants. She had given him a favorable ruling that was reversed prior to this. Her random assignment to this case was considered lucky for Trump. 

This trial won’t happen in August. Trump I don’t think even has lawyers yet because they all keep quitting and he wants no part of this until after the election, 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump may be guilty as all hell. But the espionage act doesn’t belong anywhere near this.  

No one is accusing him of actually committing espionage. You have been told this dozens of times by now.

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7 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Neither did Trump when he got the subpoena telling him to return the classified information, that he was ILLEGALLY RETAINING.  

 

I've read over the indictment. As per the law, removing all other factors, if everything stated is accurate and there are no other mitigating factors ( I don't see how there could be at this point), then Donald Trump will end up in prison. 

With two caveats. The jury might hang on this, if only because finding impartial jurors in this kind of situation is close to impossible. Same thing with Michael Sussman, there were people with ties to Hillary Clinton on that jury. And if SCOTUS decides to do something about it, i.e. revisit the Espionage Act against the Constitution. 

By the letter of the law, Trump is cooked. 

However, it opens the flood gates. Everyone does it. Everyone who works in government long enough and they fail some aspect of fundamental OpSec at some juncture. Especially those who have been serving for a very long time. The amount of paperwork is tremendous that passes through an elected officials desk. 

Both the DNC and RNC use "bird doggers" and spotters and infuse people to enter the other side's campaigns. It wasn't just magic that Gavin Newsom was caught at the French Laundry without a mask and breaking his own Executive Orders. Ted Cruz being seen at an airport while Texas was freezing wasn't some coincidence. 

For example, Malia Obama worked for Harvey Weinstein at one point. Drag up something with Weinstein back into a hearing and call Malia Obama to testify. If the RNC can dig something up, and force her into a complex situation, i.e. tell the truth to something, which would damage Team Blue in the national daily media cycle, or commit perjury. 

Does anyone want to see Malia Obama, a civilian, go to prison? Chelsea Clinton? Jenna Bush? 

The DNC can do this, but this removes the old unspoken understanding that you don't go after POTUS after they leave office. Part of the reason is the level of retaliation would just escalate. 

Everyone. Everyone's family. AOC's boyfriend is a civilian. His mother is a real estate broker and a civilian. Doesn't matter now. Your siblings, your spouse, your kids, your friends, anyone who matters to you. Vijaya Gadde was the former head of Trust And Safety at Twitter under Jack Dorsey. She's "out" but now she's not out. She part of the reason why the NY Post story on Hunter Biden's laptop was shut down. Now she is a viable target for the RNC. Also her family and friends and allies in Big Tech. 

The working premise for Team Blue ignores two critical distinctions. 

A) That the "Cancel Culture" could flip a pure 180. Because one day it might. 

B  ) That eventually power changes hands because it's the nature of practical political cycles over time. When it does, and when the GOP has the majorities it needs, will they be any more merciful? I doubt it.

If Trump is guilty, put him in prison. I don't have a problem with that. As a matter of law, the law should be enforced. But the celebration for it won't last very long. It opens up a target rich environment for political retaliation. Nancy Pelosi seems tough, but her son has done enough to put himself in the legal crosshairs more than once. How tough will she be if he's dragged into prison? 

Team Blue chose to go down this path. It's going to be expensive. This is not a defense of Trump with these documents, but if you take a sparring match into a full blown stand up fight, then you can't be surprised if the other guy keeps trying to fracture your skull in the ring. You can't be surprised if the other guy keeps swinging after the bell rings. You can't be surprised if he comes after you in the parking lot afterwards. You can't be surprised if he shows up on your door step two days later to fight some more. 

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6 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

I've read over the indictment. As per the law, removing all other factors, if everything stated is accurate and there are no other mitigating factors ( I don't see how there could be at this point), then Donald Trump will end up in prison. 

With two caveats. The jury might hang on this, if only because finding impartial jurors in this kind of situation is close to impossible. Same thing with Michael Sussman, there were people with ties to Hillary Clinton on that jury. And if SCOTUS decides to do something about it, i.e. revisit the Espionage Act against the Constitution. 

By the letter of the law, Trump is cooked. 

However, it opens the flood gates. Everyone does it. Everyone who works in government long enough and they fail some aspect of fundamental OpSec at some juncture. Especially those who have been serving for a very long time. The amount of paperwork is tremendous that passes through an elected officials desk. 

Both the DNC and RNC use "bird doggers" and spotters and infuse people to enter the other side's campaigns. It wasn't just magic that Gavin Newsom was caught at the French Laundry without a mask and breaking his own Executive Orders. Ted Cruz being seen at an airport while Texas was freezing wasn't some coincidence. 

For example, Malia Obama worked for Harvey Weinstein at one point. Drag up something with Weinstein back into a hearing and call Malia Obama to testify. If the RNC can dig something up, and force her into a complex situation, i.e. tell the truth to something, which would damage Team Blue in the national daily media cycle, or commit perjury. 

Does anyone want to see Malia Obama, a civilian, go to prison? Chelsea Clinton? Jenna Bush? 

The DNC can do this, but this removes the old unspoken understanding that you don't go after POTUS after they leave office. Part of the reason is the level of retaliation would just escalate. 

Everyone. Everyone's family. AOC's boyfriend is a civilian. His mother is a real estate broker and a civilian. Doesn't matter now. Your siblings, your spouse, your kids, your friends, anyone who matters to you. Vijaya Gadde was the former head of Trust And Safety at Twitter under Jack Dorsey. She's "out" but now she's not out. She part of the reason why the NY Post story on Hunter Biden's laptop was shut down. Now she is a viable target for the RNC. Also her family and friends and allies in Big Tech. 

The working premise for Team Blue ignores two critical distinctions. 

A) That the "Cancel Culture" could flip a pure 180. Because one day it might. 

B  ) That eventually power changes hands because it's the nature of practical political cycles over time. When it does, and when the GOP has the majorities it needs, will they be any more merciful? I doubt it.

If Trump is guilty, put him in prison. I don't have a problem with that. As a matter of law, the law should be enforced. But the celebration for it won't last very long. It opens up a target rich environment for political retaliation. Nancy Pelosi seems tough, but her son has done enough to put himself in the legal crosshairs more than once. How tough will she be if he's dragged into prison? 

Team Blue chose to go down this path. It's going to be expensive. This is not a defense of Trump with these documents, but if you take a sparring match into a full blown stand up fight, then you can't be surprised if the other guy keeps trying to fracture your skull in the ring. You can't be surprised if the other guy keeps swinging after the bell rings. You can't be surprised if he comes after you in the parking lot afterwards. You can't be surprised if he shows up on your door step two days later to fight some more. 

Cry more. The “everybody commits crimes” BS is so tired. Trump is a criminal and has always assumed he could get away with it. Too bad, his luck finally might have run out.

The other people you listed didn’t commit crimes. You are just making sh!t up, as usual. If you want to fantasize about Malia Obama being in prison, that’s your business. But pretending that she actually committed crimes? Come on. The blue horse manure in this forum is piling up and getting rancid.

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You can lie on a FISA warrant , be found guilty, and get basically nothing.  Not even disbarred. Clinton got disbarred for lying about a blowjob for gods sake.  As long as you are lying and committing crimes on behalf of the just side, you’ll be protected e even if you are found guilty by the courts. I know most of you morons don’t know what a Fisa warrant is, but it’s the toughest one to get.    It’s all good.  

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Interesting.  I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I strongly believe that the timing of all of the Trump legal stuff is being orchestrated as part of a larger DNC and/or Deep State plan for him.  I'd have guessed they would want to drag this up near the election for maximum value, but maybe the fear is that doing so would make him more of a martyr?

On a related note, I also believe that they are saving the Georgia SOS vote issue as the final bullet to finally be rid of him, when they so choose.  I mean cmon, they have him on tape asking to find votes.  Why hasn't he been indicted for that yet?  The only explanation IMO is a planned sequence of events.

 

You are right. It's an ambush. But Trump walked into it. 

The Georgia case has no legal teeth. Trump called Kemp to ask him to use his Emergency Powers as Governor to overrule the Secretary Of State's Office in Georgia. I.E. Brad Raffensberger. Trump called the SOS and said to "find close to 12 thousand votes", but that's not enough to hang him here. In order for this to stick legally, Trump had to openly offer Raffensberger something specific in exchange and on tape. 

It's not ethical to do, but it's not illegal. Trump should not have made those calls. Trump does not specialize in election law. But he can't keep his mouth shut. Stacey Abrams barnstormed 650K new voter registrations for the 2020 cycle in Georgia. No one can account for the 12-15 million that it cost to do that ( Dark Money Pump) There is no way you can get that many registrations without ballot chasing and ballot harvesting. It's not mathematically possible. 

The New York case under Alvin Bragg is paper thin. No real legal teeth. Bragg is grandstanding to get his name into the national daily media cycle. There's no formal linkage to associate Trump with Michael Cohen paying off the former porn star. There is no doubt it happened, but legally, there's no smoking gun here. You can prove Cohen did it. You can't prove Trump ordered Cohen to do it. Obviously he did, but proving that is another story. 

The Georgia case has no teeth. Trump should not have made those calls, it's not ethical, but it's not technically illegal. 

Almost every instance of Trump and his legal woes comes from opening his big fat stupid mouth. 

The DNC and Team Blue are setting up ambushes for him, but he is aiding them by walking into them. He's like a fat turkey hanging around  a farmer's front porch on the day before Thanksgiving. 

This documents case however is indefensible. 

The one saving grace is the American public might be so weary of hearing about Trump and some legal scandal, and eventually skirting out of it, that they won't pay attention to the one real legal mess he can't truly escape. 

If Trump wins 2024 POTUS ( I doubt it on all levels, either he lose clean, but more likely he's cheated out of it or is assassinated) then this entire mess formulates another impeachment situation. America can't handle the rioting, looting and burning that will happen because of it. 

The DNC is incompetent. So is Trump. If all this wasn't bad for America and it's future, I'd probably laugh a little at the stupidity of this all. But it's a collision course of Team Blue's corruption and Trump being persistently ignorant and arrogant. 

Trump is too conceited to understand that Team Blue and the DNC WANT a civil war. They are just looking for any reason to set it off. And Trump is walking right into their hands. 

[thegeneral 2,913]

Civil war, killing your children, and Trump being assassinated have made an appearance!

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You can lie on a FISA warrant , be found guilty, and get basically nothing.  Not even disbarred. Clinton got disbarred for lying about a blowjob for gods sake.  As long as you are lying and committing crimes on behalf of the just side, you’ll be protected e even if you are found guilty by the courts. I know most of you morons don’t know what a Fisa warrant is, but it’s the toughest one to get.    It’s all good.  

 

You are correct in substance. 

The only "victory" possible is to push forward a candidate that can't be "cancelled" 

If the current "game" means that Conservatives and Republicans have no practical margin of error against a clear and open double standard, then that's the field of play. When the Mavericks and the Heat went to Finals, the refs did everything possible to cheat some games from Dallas. That was LeBron James' first year in Miami and the league administration wanted him to win a championship. Nike gave LBJ a lifetime contract and wanted a return on that massive investment. 

So what did Dallas do? They outplayed the Heat even with the refs leaning against the Mavericks. Sometimes it was 5 on 8 out there. Five Mavericks against all the Heat plus all the refs on the floor. Dallas still found a way to dig it out. They offered no excuses, they just kept outplaying the Heat. 

Same thing for Conservatives. It is unfair and corrupt and there is a double standard. Can't change it unfortunately. So you have to find a way to win despite it. 

Get back POTUS and get back a majority in Congress. Do that first and foremost, whatever it takes. When you have that, then you can focus on cleaning house and engaging in political payback for what was done. The GOP needs to talk less about what is unfair, because it's obvious that's the truth, sadly, and do more about winning a crap load of elections all down the ticket. 

This is what the GOP did during the Obama Administration. They knew they couldn't get the White House for 8 years, so they focused on winning State Legislature seats, and they won a historic number of them. Which lifted up the Federalist Society, which lifted up Conservative Catholic judges, which eventually turned into the win that overturned Roe and Dobbs. The win for Pro Life happened with small wins in places no one hears about. This is how Conservatives prevail. Take the wins you can get considering the current circumstances. If the rules are unfair, then play a better game and overcome the busted rules. What other choice is there? 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

13 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Civil war, killing your children, and Trump being assassinated have made an appearance!

 

 

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14 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Civil war, killing your children, and Trump being assassinated have made an appearance!

 

 

 

A Seattle man charged with felony stalking after allegedly standing outside U.S. Rep. Pramila Jayapal's home and yelling expletives while armed with a pistol pleaded not guilty Tuesday.

A King County Superior Court judge set Brett Forsell's bail at $150,000 during Forsell's arraignment hearing Tuesday....The King County Prosecutor's Office requested $500,000 bail, arguing Forsell is "likely to commit a violent offense if free in the community," according to court documents. Forsell allegedly told investigators he would return to Jayapal's home as soon as he is released....

Forsell was armed with a .40 caliber Glock semi-automatic pistol with a live round in the chamber while outside of the representative's home, according to court documents. 

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18 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Civil war, killing your children, and Trump being assassinated have made an appearance!

 

 

A California man is facing federal charges for the attempted murder of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Police say he was arrested near Kavanaugh's home armed with a gun and knife. CBS News congressional correspondent Scott MacFarlane joined CBS News' Lana Zak to discuss the latest on the case.

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Blue Horsehoe is on tilt from the bunker. I suggest a walk or some fresh air. You are free to scream at the clouds but I suggest a break. It’s your choice, Blue Horsehoe.