Trump INDICTED

[GutterBoy 2,899]

8 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Hey look it’s the 2nd from the left on the Mt. Rushmore of GC Dunces

He might be dumber than horseman

[Stryker Ryker 188]

On 6/13/2023 at 12:35 PM, The Real timschochet said:

You didn’t read the indictment, did you? 

I’ve read it just like all the others. There’s nothing there just like the others. I know it. You know it. CNN knows it. Democrats know it. Republicans know it. Black ppl know it. I believe you’ve been on the side your on now for how many years? And how many times have you said “oh they got trump now”? 6 times? 9 times? The result is all the same: nothing happens because there’s nothing there, democrats are left holding their d1cks, and their supporters cry. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

42 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

I’ve read it just like all the others. There’s nothing there just like the others. I know it. You know it. CNN knows it. Democrats know it. Republicans know it. Black ppl know it. I believe you’ve been on the side your on now for how many years? And how many times have you said “oh they got trump now”? 6 times? 9 times? The result is all the same: nothing happens because there’s nothing there, democrats are left holding their d1cks, and their supporters cry. 

As whataboutisms are not a legal defense in a court of law I think Trump will be found guilty on a few counts, though not all

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

Maddow pwns T-pump.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-maddow-spots-trumps-most-085007825.html

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The former president, she noted, had warned that his arrest would lead to “the biggest protest we have ever had” and predicted that the people of the country wouldn’t stand for it.

“Turns out the people of the United States would stand for it,” Maddow said, noting there were no mass protests in Miami, just as there were few supporters outside the site of his arrest in New York in March.

“There’s no shame in not having people protest your arrest and indictment,” she said. “Except when you have begged people to, and told people to, and in fact promised publicly that people would.”

That, she said, is “personally embarrassing” for Trump.

 

[lod001 1,344]

5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Maddow pwns T-pump.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-maddow-spots-trumps-most-085007825.html

 

The only thing madcow owns is a colossal buttplug she uses on herself ATM.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

7 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

He might be dumber than horseman

Same person right?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Same person right?

Yeah that's the joke.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Yeah that's the joke.

Ah.

Maybe we can just find 2 more Horseman aliases and just make that the Mount Rushmore of GC dummies?

[Stryker Ryker 188]

19 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

As whataboutisms are not a legal defense in a court of law I think Trump will be found guilty on a few counts, though not all

Highly doubt it. The whataboutisms are with the left. NOT with trump. The case is weak, the argument is weak, and the evidence is weak. It’s blatantly clear what the intent is and the fact that you along with the other democrats support it is EXTREMELY dangerous because y’all just opened Pandoras Box of going after political opponents during election time. Just going by objective reasoning, I can say with 100% certainty it will NOT turn out well for your side (which used to be mine until I got lied to one too many times by the Dems). 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Highly doubt it. The whataboutisms are with the left. NOT with trump. The case is weak, the argument is weak, and the evidence is weak. It’s blatantly clear what the intent is and the fact that you along with the other democrats support it is EXTREMELY dangerous because y’all just opened Pandoras Box of going after political opponents during election time. Just going by objective reasoning, I can say with 100% certainty it will NOT turn out well for your side (which used to be mine until I got lied to one too many times by the Dems). 

You think I'm a democrat?

[Stryker Ryker 188]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

You think I'm a democrat?

You defend them. You push what they push. Haven’t seen anything that contradicts my statement  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

“Whataboutisms” are the basis for our legal system.  Shameful that it must be explained. 

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

10 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Highly doubt it. The whataboutisms are with the left. NOT with trump. The case is weak, the argument is weak, and the evidence is weak. It’s blatantly clear what the intent is and the fact that you along with the other democrats support it is EXTREMELY dangerous because y’all just opened Pandoras Box of going after political opponents during election time. Just going by objective reasoning, I can say with 100% certainty it will NOT turn out well for your side (which used to be mine until I got lied to one too many times by the Dems). 

It's a good thing those crafty dems planned on Trump stealing a bunch of classified documents back in Jan 2021, so they could get him now. 

[Stryker Ryker 188]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

It's a good thing those crafty dems planned on Trump stealing a bunch of classified documents back in Jan 2021, so they could get him now. 

It’s a good thing it’s a big nothing burger too. Just like all the other ones. Remind me again, what number of the “we got ‘em now!” does this make? 6? 7? I’ve lost count cause you Dems have been trying since 2016 (7 years for ppl such as yourself that are too lazy to do the math). By all means, if I’m wrong I’ll apologize. IF it actually happens. But how come you won’t apologize for being wrong ALL those other times you have claimed “they got ‘em now” when they in fact did NOT “get ‘em now”? Cause you were in fact wrong about every single one of them. And every single one of them has come out to be made up by the democrats. So what makes this one any different? 

[MDC 7,515]

Trump will get a slap on the wrist and use the indictment as a fundraiser.

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Trump will get a slap on the wrist and use the indictment as a fundraiser.

He wishes. IMO, his best case scenerio is he drags the case out until he dies, he's seriously screwed here.  He's not going against some carpet installer he stiffed. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

Nuclear documents! 

[squistion 2,230]

 

[MDC 7,515]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

He wishes. IMO, his best case scenerio is he drags the case out until he dies, he's seriously screwed here.  He's not going against some carpet installer he stiffed. 

I’ll believe Trump faces some actual consequences when I see it. 

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’ll believe Trump faces some actual consequences when I see it. 

His future...
 

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

22 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

It's a good thing those crafty dems planned on Trump stealing a bunch of classified documents back in Jan 2021, so they could get him now. 

IT'S A CONSPIRACAH!

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’ll believe Trump faces some actual consequences when I see it. 

I'm hoping this goes the Spiro Agnew route, where he agrees to remove himself from politics in exchange for no jail time. 

He's got a favorable judge who is a MAGAturd, so that's an advantage for him.

[MDC 7,515]

6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

His future...
 

 

Just in terms of fatness, that’s Trump’s present.  

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

Just now, MDC said:

Just in terms of fatness, that’s Trump’s present.  

[thegeneral 3,270]

On 6/13/2023 at 6:12 PM, thegeneral said:

On 6/13/2023 at 6:05 PM, RogerDodger said:

Trump stops at a Cuban restaurant on the way to the courthouse. 

It was after he was indicted. He promised free food for everyone! Good luck getting payment

No way!!

Of course he didn’t pay

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

4 hours ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Highly doubt it. The whataboutisms are with the left. NOT with trump. The case is weak, the argument is weak, and the evidence is weak. It’s blatantly clear what the intent is and the fact that you along with the other democrats support it is EXTREMELY dangerous because y’all just opened Pandoras Box of going after political opponents during election time. Just going by objective reasoning, I can say with 100% certainty it will NOT turn out well for your side (which used to be mine until I got lied to one too many times by the Dems). 

 

You are correct in that this is a clear weaponization of the Espionage Act and is a gross overreach over it's functional intent. Also that there are a lot of ugly "Whataboutisms" used against Trump and Conservatives in general regarding this scandal. 

But from a technical legal standpoint, this case is the STRONGEST levied against Trump in the past 8 years of what is clearly structured persistent toxic and corrupt political persecution. 

Two things can be true at the exact same time. The first is that Trump is right in the he is being persecuted by the political establishment beyond measure. The "Deep State" aren't even bothering to hide it anymore. But second, that Trump is an idiot and a narcissist grifter who makes every situation worse, far more than it has to be, by opening his big fat mouth and never shutting up, and that leads him to being the legal jackpot right now. 

Standard disclaimer in that this case is not within my primary area of law. That being said, a lot of this is pretty fundamental. Only ONE of the 37 charges against Trump needs to stick to throw him in prison. If Trump manages to skate by having a juror compromised, then there will be endless rioting, looting and burning. If this gets to SCOTUS and they rule that the Espionage Act violates the Constitution, then there will be endless rioting, looting and burning. 

If Trump manages to survive all this and win the RNC ticket in the 2024 primaries, then odds are he will lose to Biden in a rematch for POTUS in 2024. 

He'd lose in a "free and fair election" Since I don't believe 2024 will be a free and fair election, even if Trump got more votes, likely Team Blue and the DNC would find a way to cheat. If Trump even manages to prevail against all that, likely the Deep State will just have him assassinated. 

Now if I said Trump would get assassinated by his political enemies back in 2015, some people would just laugh it off. But now? After all this? After watching the DOJ, FBI and intelligence services conspire with Obama, Comey, Clinton, the DNC, Big Social Media and the activist MSM to create a total sham of an investigation that became Russia Gate? 

"They" will never let Trump back into the White House. "They" will likely beat Trump in the 2024 general election even if they don't cheat. But odds are they will and you'll have 2020 and all that chaos over again. And in the rare chance Trump "wins" and they decide not to kill him, it will be more of endless impeachments, investigations, scandal, chaos and utter bloodshed. 

If you and others want "justice" for what was done to Trump as per the total persecution, not as a specific person with all his exhausting baggage, but as a matter of principle as a United States citizen, then you'll have to accept it will need to be someone else who gets it done. Not Trump. Maybe DeSantis. Maybe Nikki Haley. Maybe Tim Scott. Someone else. 

Is Donald Trump bad for America? In 2015 and 2016, when he went on the non stop attack against the establishment and activist MSM, he was the standard bearer that Conservatives and Republicans needed. But as of today, he's toxic for the Conservative base. He brings more harm than good, and it's very tough to see the good sometimes. 

Team Blue is actually right on a major point - As a baseline, Donald Trump is bad for America. But the CONTEXT behind that goes further. He's bad for America NOT because of the reasons they state and based on their own motives. He's not a white supremacist. He's not a fascist. He's not pushing open tyranny. He's a 4th rate failed reality TV "star" who is a shameless gutless narcissist grifter who needs to be at the center of attention no matter what, even if America is burning around him.

Based on the information so far, this is a more than solid case against him here. It is NOT FAIR in how all this is being weaponized, that is true, but this is a matter of law. As per the actual law, Trump is very likely in the jackpot. 

I've only been posting regularly in the FFT GC for a few months now. And in that time, I've been beating the living sh!t out of anything woke, radical left and identity politics. If there was an escape hatch here, I'd say it openly. But there's not. 

But I'm waiting for a radical leftist to just come out and say it in the open - Even if Trump is cornered here and likely going to be put away, nothing at all can justify what has happened in the past 8 years against him. It's indefensible as as matter of principle. Even if you hate the guy and want to spit in his face, the way so many major elements moved against him, against the actual principle of law, bodes nothing good for our country as a whole. If some here believe that Trump is some kind of "disease" then the "cure" itself cannot be a pathway to set our entire Republic on fire just to get rid of one political enemy. 

But I have my doubts any of the radical leftists here could actually be that honest about it. 

There was a time in the past when what was good personally for Trump just happened to also be what was good for our Republic. But that's not true in current times. He needs to be driven out of professional politics, then the Deep State after him also needs to be purged too. We have a duty to defend our Republic, not defend the Big Cheeto beyond all practical reason. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

If it isn’t political then why hire this prosecutor? He’s clearly shown himself to be an ideologue first and foremost, that’s why. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it isn’t political then why hire this prosecutor? He’s clearly shown himself to be an ideologue first and foremost, that’s why. 

 

Let's say the practical legal evidence is a "bullet"  That's a figurative representation to explain a point. 

If the shooter is a hard radical leftist partisan, that doesn't change the fact that the weapon is full of "bullets" that Trump gave up himself. He literally handed them over. 

Trump being persecuted is indefensible, and you are exactly right in that Jack Smith ( and his wife especially ) is clearly compromised as a hard partisan. But that there is even a pathway to put Trump is prison at all is on Trump himself. 

What do coaches say to young guys sparring? "Don't make it easy for the other guy to hit you, even if you might lose" 

At some point, Trump needed to shut his big fat mouth and at least make some effort to try to help himself. If the other guy is trying to punch you and he has brass knuckles hidden under his boxing gloves, don't just walk to the center of the ring, put your hands down and beg the guy to pummel you in the face. That's exactly what happened here. 

Sometimes you need to lose a few smaller battles for the greater overall goal of winning the war. Trump feels the need to wage total all out war against every single battle period. This a function of his narcissism - That it's impossible for him to ever be wrong

Unfortunately that attitude makes it easier to have the activist MSM deflect and gaslight when Trump is sometimes actually right about things. 

The willful Deep State corruption to put Trump down is not Trump's fault. In that regard, he really is a victim. But the part of this equation where Donald Trump is actually a total d!ptshit, that aspect is all on him. It doesn't justify the persecution, but if you keep doing the same stupid sh!t over and over again when pure tribalists are hunting you, eventually they are going to get you. 

[WhiteWonder 2,783]

On 6/8/2023 at 7:46 PM, iam90sbaby said:

Huh? Bad take dude. You think he should stop because they're going after him? 

He should stop because he’s a clown 

[thegeneral 3,270]

Coach Beard and Jack Smith

One of the funny things about orange clown’s indictment is that the guy busted him, Jack Smith, looks exactly like Coach Beard from Ted Lasso.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

Espionage! 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

On 6/15/2023 at 3:56 PM, thegeneral said:

Coach Beard and Jack Smith

One of the funny things about orange clown’s indictment is that the guy busted him, Jack Smith, looks exactly like Coach Beard from Ted Lasso.

And the lead singer for Clutch.

[thegeneral 3,270]

This interview he did on Fox today is bonkers. This guy is such an idiot

He just tells everyone how guilty he is, he creates more issues every time he speaks. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

 Nuclear documents! 

[paulinstl 296]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Espionage! 

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The Espionage Act does not merely target “traitors and spies.” Even during Trump’s own presidency, obscure citizens who kept classified material at their homes, and were never accused of communicating it to anyone or aiding a foreign country, were convicted and sentenced to years in prison under the very same Espionage Act provision Trump is now charged with breaking.

The Espionage Act provision under which Trump was indicted by a Florida federal grand jury on 31 counts, Section 793(e), makes it a crime when someone without authorization “willfully retains” national defense information “and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it."

“The Espionage Act is routinely relied upon to prosecute individuals for willful retention or dissemination of national defense information. While the law’s name makes one think it only concerns actual spying, its provisions are far broader than that narrow concept and have been upheld by the courts time and time again,” said Bradley Moss, a national security lawyer in private practice.

Keep that head in the sand, these facts are straightforward, enough so that anyone who can read should understand the Espionage charges are directed at his willful retention of the documents and has nothing to do with being a spy.

[paulinstl 296]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Espionage for who? 

Read the following:

Section 793(e), makes it a crime when someone without authorization “willfully retains” national defense information “and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it."

 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

32 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Keep that head in the sand, these facts are straightforward, enough so that anyone who can read should understand the Espionage charges are directed at his willful retention of the documents and has nothing to do with being a spy.

You read the indictment? And espionage for who? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

Just now, paulinstl said:

Read the following:

Section 793(e), makes it a crime when someone without authorization “willfully retains” national defense information “and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it."

 

 

 

Yeah. If you have to stretch to the espionage act instead of the PRA that should tell you something. Have you read the indictment? 

[paulinstl 296]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. If you have to stretch to the espionage act instead of the PRA that should tell you something. Have you read the indictment? 

Yes I have and it is very clear that the Espionage charges stem directly from Trump's willful retention of documents. It is just that simple, it has never been about spying, and it will never be.
 

In this case, former President Trump hasn’t been charged with spying for a foreign government, or espionage as we normally think about it, but he has been charged with willfully withholding national defense information – which is the way that a case like this is normally charged,

[Mike Honcho 5,304]

I couldn't return the classified docs, because my golf shoe might have been in that box!