The Question That Remains Unanswered...

[paulinstl 296]

Why didn't Trump just cooperate with The National Archives in the first place? Not one you have answered this question. If he had, there would have been no indictments. How can you fail to recognize this?

[Strike 5,182]

1)  Trump says he was cooperating.  I guess we'll find out who is telling the truth at the trial, won't we? 

2)  The question YOU haven't answered is why did Biden have classified materials, that he only could have obtained illegally, sitting in boxes in his garage next to his corvette.  And why isn't he being prosecuted when his case is a slam dunk, cooperation or not. 

[nobody 2,557]

Thanks for the new thread. 

He didn't cooperate because he thinks being president allowed him to do what he wants, his ego reinforced it, and his general inability to think about things at anything more than a macro level probably meant he didn't even understand the ask.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Why didn’t Hillary and Biden obey the law? Why weren’t they indicted? Trump may be guilty as hell but so what? If you don’t apply the law equally then it’s an injustice. But liberals are ok with it. Unless it’s black people being “disproportionately “ arrested. Then  it’s not about the law, it’s about justice. GFY.  Everyone sees through this. 

[seafoam1 2,797]

There is no cure for TDS. Best of luck to you libs.

[nobody 2,557]

You guys are falling right into his trap.  He said why didn't Trump cooperate?  That was by design to make sure he shielded his beloved Hillary and Biden from criticism.

[nobody 2,557]

Also, I bet if you went to any president's house there's a box of docs he shouldn't have there.  

Although, after all this happened, I'm sure Obama was smart enough to dispose of his.

[Strike 5,182]

Just now, nobody said:

You guys are falling right into his trap.  He said why didn't Trump cooperate?  That was by design to make sure he shielded his beloved Hillary and Biden from criticism.

I answered his question.  Then I posed my own.  I didn't fall in to anyone's trap. 

[MDC 7,113]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Thanks for the new thread. 

He didn't cooperate because he thinks being president allowed him to do what he wants, his ego reinforced it, and his general inability to think about things at anything more than a macro level probably meant he didn't even understand the ask.

This.

[nobody 2,557]

Just now, Strike said:

I answered his question.  Then I posed my own.  I didn't fall in to anyone's trap. 

You're in the trap.

[paulinstl 296]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why didn’t Hillary and Biden obey the law? Why weren’t they indicted? Trump may be guilty as hell but so what? If you don’t apply the law equally then it’s an injustice. But liberals are ok with it. Unless it’s black people being “disproportionately “ arrested. Then  it’s not about the law, it’s about justice. GFY.  Everyone sees through this. 

Here is the reason why Hillary wasn't charged:

 

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After an investigation lasting nearly a year, then-FBI Director James Comey announced that he would not recommend filing any criminal charges against Clinton, who was the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee at the time.

Comey stated that in looking at previous Department of Justice investigations concerning “mishandling or removal of classified information” there was always some combination of the following: “clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice.”

Comey concluded, “We do not see those things here,” although he criticized Clinton for being “extremely careless” in the handling of sensitive, classified information.

This is the reason Trump is being charged.

[paulinstl 296]

7 minutes ago, Strike said:

1)  Trump says he was cooperating.  I guess we'll find out who is telling the truth at the trial, won't we? 

2)  The question YOU haven't answered is why did Biden have classified materials, that he only could have obtained illegally, sitting in boxes in his garage next to his corvette.  And why isn't he being prosecuted when his case is a slam dunk, cooperation or not. 

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After an investigation lasting nearly a year, then-FBI Director James Comey announced that he would not recommend filing any criminal charges against Clinton, who was the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee at the time.

Comey stated that in looking at previous Department of Justice investigations concerning “mishandling or removal of classified information” there was always some combination of the following: “clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice.”

Comey concluded, “We do not see those things here,” although he criticized Clinton for being “extremely careless” in the handling of sensitive, classified information.

 

[thegeneral 2,881]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

1)  Trump says he was cooperating.  I guess we'll find out who is telling the truth at the trial, won't we? 

2)  The question YOU haven't answered is why did Biden have classified materials, that he only could have obtained illegally, sitting in boxes in his garage next to his corvette.  And why isn't he being prosecuted when his case is a slam dunk, cooperation or not. 

For question 2 because he focked up. Like Pence, like Hillary, etc. For Biden he let them do their thing then. He shut his pie hole. Same for Pence. 

For your first statement…you know that’s bullshet

[lickin_starfish 1,889]

Trump should have smashed the documents to pieces with a hammer and used bleach bit to wipe them clean.

[paulinstl 296]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

Also, I bet if you went to any president's house there's a box of docs he shouldn't have there.  

Although, after all this happened, I'm sure Obama was smart enough to dispose of his.

Once again, the difference is Trump's behavior compared to Biden's. That's the reason for him being charged. It's pretty obvious.

[Strike 5,182]

2 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

 

Why are you posting about HItlery when I asked about Biden?  Oh right, because you're just a hack troll.  Forgot.

[thegeneral 2,881]

This is all a Trump created disaster because he is incompetent. His buttkissers than do all this work for him. 

Is anything more fitting than him storing this crap illegally in an old, tacky bathroom. The writers have found their groove again this season. Bravo.

[paulinstl 296]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why are you posting about HItlery when I asked about Biden?  Oh right, because you're just a hack troll.  Forgot.

It goes to intent and behavior. You are smart enough to see that, right? The example of Hillary was to point out the behavior the Justice Dept. looked for to determine if a crime was committed.

[Strike 5,182]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

For question 2 because he focked up. Like Pence, like Hillary, etc. For Biden he let them do their thing then. He shut his pie hole. Same for Pence. 

For your first statement…you know that’s bullshet

I don't even know what the fock you're trying to say with your first sentence.  But the bottom line is Biden broke the law and there's no disputing that.  He stole classified docs when he was a senator and when he was VP.   If he's not prosecuted neither should Trump be.

Regarding your second sentence, it may in fact be bullsh*t.  But that's why we have a legal system and trials.  If the government can prove their case Trump loses.  But he has said he was cooperating.  I answered the question based upon the currently known information. 

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

Overpowered ego, underpowered judgment.

 

As for the efforts to distinguish Biden, Clinton, and others, I don't buy those distinctions.  Prosecute them all.  Stay sentencing while in office, if the individual is in office.

[jerryskids 6,548]

7 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Here is the reason why Hillary wasn't charged:

 

This is the reason Trump is being charged.

Hillary clearly intentionally and willfully mishandled classified data by the very nature of setting up that server, and some might interpret bleach bitting the server to be a lack of cooperation.   

[Strike 5,182]

Just now, paulinstl said:

It goes to intent and behavior. You are smart enough to see that, right? The example of Hillary was tonpoint outthe behavior the Justice Dept. looked for to determine if a crime was committed.

Again, has nothing to do with Biden.  And, regarding HItlery, you're talking about how smart we are and you actually believe that bullsh*t?  She destroyed evidence with hammers and ran an email server out of her basement.  You should never talk about how smart other people are again if you actually believe she shouldn't have been prosecuted.

[cmh6476 1,009]

because he is a nincompoop?

[paulinstl 296]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Hillary clearly intentionally and willfully mishandled classified data by the very nature of setting up that server, and some might interpret bleach bitting the server to be a lack of cooperation.   

OK. What does that have to with Trump in his current situation? Why didn't he cooperate initially?

[Fnord 2,051]

Just now, Strike said:

But that's why we have a legal system and trials.  If the government can prove their case Trump loses.

This part seems to escape MAGAmooks. They don't even care about court verdicts unless they agree with the verdict. Otherwise its' deepstate this and DOJ witch hunt that. Can't have it both ways.

[nobody 2,557]

You guys ever work with people that just go to meetings?  That's their whole job.  They just go to meetings and talk about shìt at a high level without ever really knowing what's going on.  And you know if you asked them to do something as simple as sign a document, they can't do it without you standing over them.

Trump is an extreme example of this.  I guarantee you this guy doesn't even know how to shop for his own groceries.  He's a professional talker.  Expecting him to lift a finger to get some documents in a box sent somewhere is preposterous.  I doubt he even knew he had them.

[jerryskids 6,548]

Since this has turned into a compare and contrast discussion, the answer is that Trump did [xxxxx] which is different than all of the other people in the swamp that they choose not to prosecute.  They just needed to find [xxxxx] and convince the low info voters that this is what really matters.  In this case it's whatever he showed somebody at Bedminster.  It's similar to 1/6, where throwing molotov cocktails during the summer of love was a mostly peaceful protest, but walking through open Capitol doors and taking selfies was an insurrection$#@!

[paulinstl 296]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Again, has nothing to do with Biden.  And, regarding HItlery, you're talking about how smart we are and you actually believe that bullsh*t?  She destroyed evidence with hammers and ran an email server out of her basement.  You should never talk about how smart other people are again if you actually believe she shouldn't have been prosecuted.

I never said that, I posted why the FBI didn't charge her and why they did Trump. It wouldn't bother me at all if they went back and charged her. As far as Pence and Biden, I guess cooperation made a difference. The investigation is still going on Biden, if they find he obstructed the investigation, go ahead and charge him too. 

[nobody 2,557]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't even know what the fock you're trying to say with your first sentence.  But the bottom line is Biden broke the law and there's no disputing that.  He stole classified docs when he was a senator and when he was VP.   If he's not prosecuted neither should Trump be.

Regarding your second sentence, it may in fact be bullsh*t.  But that's why we have a legal system and trials.  If the government can prove their case Trump loses.  But he has said he was cooperating.  I answered the question based upon the currently known information. 

I live in this world, and Paul is right that you usually don't get punished too harshly if there is cooperation.  You can be a fūck up and leak classified information all day and they'll just pull your clearance.  If there is ill-intent, that's when there are charges.

But you're correct that what Hillary did was worse than what trump did.  

 

 

[jerryskids 6,548]

2 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

OK. What does that have to with Trump in his current situation? Why didn't he cooperate initially?

I think @nobody has answered quite well.   

[MDC 7,113]

The real 4D chess move would be for Trump to take the classified materials deliberately to get indicted so that he can play the whiny victim card again. It’s his best role and most consistent money maker. 

[thegeneral 2,881]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I don't even know what the fock you're trying to say with your first sentence.  But the bottom line is Biden broke the law and there's no disputing that.  He stole classified docs when he was a senator and when he was VP.   If he's not prosecuted neither should Trump be.

Regarding your second sentence, it may in fact be bullsh*t.  But that's why we have a legal system and trials.  If the government can prove their case Trump loses.  But he has said he was cooperating.  I answered the question based upon the currently known information. 

Biden, Pence etc had these docs these unknowingly that is the fock up. They then cooperated.

Why do you think they are both off the hook. Deep State?

Trump took all this stuff, said he didn’t have it, oh whoops said he did, have some back, said that was it, they said you have more, he says he declassifies things in his mind, they have recordings of him saying he didn’t declassify them. He has his assistant moving them all around when he thinks the Feds are coming, etc.

It’s the dumbest crime by a dumb person. He then gets all these people to carry his water. It’s the oddest thing.

Here’s Barr talking about it

More from Barr

[thegeneral 2,881]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Hillary clearly intentionally and willfully mishandled classified data by the very nature of setting up that server, and some might interpret bleach bitting the server to be a lack of cooperation.   

If she was guilty why didn’t Trump have her convicted. He ran on that and had 4 years.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

Trump is guilty. Now what? 

[paulinstl 296]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Since this has turned into a compare and contrast discussion, the answer is that Trump did [xxxxx] which is different than all of the other people in the swamp that they choose not to prosecute.  They just needed to find [xxxxx] and convince the low info voters that this is what really matters.  In this case it's whatever he showed somebody at Bedminster.  It's similar to 1/6, where throwing molotov cocktails during the summer of love was a mostly peaceful protest, but walking through open Capitol doors and taking selfies was an insurrection$#@!

And what about moving documents and asking why they shouldn't just deny having them? Trump messed up, all he had to do was turn them over originally.

[nobody 2,557]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If she was guilty why didn’t Trump have her convicted. He ran on that and had 4 years.

She was protected by the DOJ.

I love how you guys think that DC doesn't run on favors.

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

11 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

because he is a nincompoop?

A word my father frequently applied to me as a child and adolescent.

[Strike 5,182]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

I live in this world, and Paul is right that you usually don't get punished too harshly if there is cooperation.  You can be a fūck up and leak classified information all day and they'll just pull your clearance.  If there is ill-intent, that's when there are charges.

But you're correct that what Hillary did was worse than what trump did.  

 

 

Bullsh*t.   But you know who NEVER gets punished?  A President.  They didn't even prosecute Nixon.  They pardoned him.  Nothing Trump did was a big deal.   He could have declassified everything they found if he wanted.   This sets a horrible precedent.  The dems love doing that like they did with judicial appointments among other things. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Nothing Trump did was a big deal. 

[nobody 2,557]

Everyday citizens go to jail for DUI.  Paul Pelosi got probation and time served.  Are we really pretending that Hillary got off because she cooperated?