Police violence thread

[seafoam1 2,803]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Baltimore is killing its own, Dogshizz is worried about isolated Police violence

 

 

Top 2, St. Louis and Baltimore. "But the POLICE!!!"

 

 

In America, an estimated 16,425 people were murdered in 2019. This was a 0.3% increase from the 2018 estimate.

Here are murder rates in 65 major U.S. cities (cities with greater than 100,000 residents) for 2019. These rates are calculated using the latest statistics available — the FBI's 2019 Crime in the United States data, as well as data culled directly from city police officials and the U.S. Census Bureau.

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

19 hours ago, dogcows said:

How about a thread dedicated to documenting incidents of police violence?

You are missing the point.  You can get endless reporting on police violence from CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, BBC, the New York Times, The LA Times, The Washingotn Post, and on and on and on and on.   Absolutely NOBODY needs to come HERE to get reporting on this topic.  The problem with the MSM is they commit lies of omission and do not report or underreport on issues that might be critical of the left, and some of that omitted news winds up here.

If you are envision an internet forum dedicated to leftist issues, itll get extremely low views compared to one that reports on the stuff the MSM omits or underreports.  You are not fighting for equal time by posting this thread. 

[League Champion 1,896]

Snowflake had it coming

 

 

[Strike 5,204]

21 minutes ago, squistion said:

I wouldn't report anyone for discussing politics and I was one of those who spoke against the PSF being shut down (unlike Tim who cheered the idea because he felt the talk there had become toxic). 

Maybe not about politics, although I doubt that, but  you were a reporting machine, especially when you felt slighted.  I mean, the mods had to tell you to STFU about people using the term "Kappy".   You can't rewrite history.

[League Champion 1,896]

Snowflake had it coming, again

 

[TimHauck 2,621]

2 hours ago, Reality said:

Jesus, it's so incredibly creepy how often that dude begs for my attention.

I thought this place was rid of him. 

zomg I commented about a post you made yesterday! That’s the point of this message board, get over yourself.

[seafoam1 2,803]

Just now, TimHauck said:

zomg I commented about a post you made yesterday! That’s the point of this message board, get over yourself.

Nah. You are mdcack level creepy 

[squistion 1,952]

4 hours ago, HellToupee said:

BS your sidekick wanted it shutdown to silence criticism of biden 

He said it had become toxic, but not because of any criticism of Biden.

[squistion 1,952]

4 hours ago, Strike said:

Maybe not about politics, although I doubt that, but  you were a reporting machine, especially when you felt slighted.  I mean, the mods had to tell you to STFU about people using the term "Kappy".   You can't rewrite history.

Fun Fact (or not so fun in my case). I reported no one in the last 2 years of the PSF (per a warning by Joe that I would suspended if I did so).

[Strike 5,204]

17 minutes ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact (or not so fun in my case). I reported no one in the last 2 years of the PSF (per a warning by Joe that I would suspended if I did so).

That's the most pathetic thing I've ever read here.  And, since Mike has not similarly warned you, it's reasonable for anyone here to assume that you're back to your serial reporting ways. 

[squistion 1,952]

19 minutes ago, Strike said:

That's the most pathetic thing I've ever read here.  And, since Mike has not similarly warned you, it's reasonable for anyone here to assume that you're back to your serial reporting ways. 

I guess you must have missed all the 'tranny" threads.

[dogcows 1,030]

A black man called the police to report a robbery. They showed up and tased him instead of the criminal, then tossed him in the back of the police car. This was despite a neighbor coming by and telling the police they had the wrong guy. Only after 20 minutes did they pull his ID and realize it matched the address on the house. Ironically, the man had been working on a documentary about police violence.

https://news.yahoo.com/making-documentary-police-brutality-then-110018567.html

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Officers arrived at Smith's apartment around 1:30 a.m. and approached from his street-facing back door, which was ajar, according to the lawsuit. They had what looked like guns pointed at Smith, who was still holding the camping knife and standing above the burglary suspect. When officers told him to put down the knife, he did, Smith said.

"I dropped it," he said. "I complied to what the officers are telling me to do."

While the officers were shouting commands at Smith, frightened neighbors tried to explain.

Tiffany Wysinger, who lives in the apartment above Smith's, said she was roused from sleep by the commotion. When she realized where the noise was coming from, she ran downstairs.

"Police were there. I was screaming at the top of my lungs," she said. "I see them with something drawn, and I scream at the top of my lungs, 'He's the resident!' "

Smith said he was about 10 feet away from the officers, who did not immediately enter his apartment.

"I live here. I called 911," Smith repeatedly told police, who were commanding him to get on the ground, according to the lawsuit.

Wysinger said she continued to scream that they were targeting the homeowner, not the burglar, who was still lying on the ground.

"Then I hear a pop, and I start crying profusely thinking they killed Damien," she said.

 

[seafoam1 2,803]

12 minutes ago, dogcows said:

A black man called the police to report a robbery. They showed up and tased him instead of the criminal, then tossed him in the back of the police car.

Good. Criminals need to learn.

[League Champion 1,896]

6 hours ago, dogcows said:

the wrong guy.

Calm down, you're definitely ACAB. Get help 

 

 

[BuckSwope 654]

12 hours ago, squistion said:

Fun Fact (or not so fun in my case). I reported no one in the last 2 years of the PSF (per a warning by Joe that I would suspended if I did so).

I'm glad I opened this one.  You reported so many people that Joe of all people had to tell if you reported more YOU would get suspended?   

[BuckSwope 654]

Dogcows - the only way this thread might be constructive is if there is more detail and follow up to these cases.   I have read way too many examples of details coming out later that can and should change perceptions of many of these types of incidents.  

IMO most of these examples fall in line with what my opinion was in the other thread.  We need to change up our policing somehow - step one is way fewer pullover interactions for things that can be a mailed ticket/fine.  

[seafoam1 2,803]

22 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Dogcows - the only way this thread might be constructive is if there are of less of us liberals posting in it.

[TheNewGirl 1,348]

2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Dogcows - the only way this thread might be constructive is if there is more detail and follow up to these cases.   I have read way too many examples of details coming out later that can and should change perceptions of many of these types of incidents.  

IMO most of these examples fall in line with what my opinion was in the other thread.  We need to change up our policing somehow - step one is way fewer pullover interactions for things that can be a mailed ticket/fine.  

California has the "mailed ticket" in some areas, not sure how well it works or not. But I imagine collecting on a mailed ticket might be more difficult, "I didn't get it in the mail" and that type of stuff. 

CA is also trying to outlaw the use of K9s - because apparently the dogs are racist. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

California has the "mailed ticket" in some areas, not sure how well it works or not. But I imagine collecting on a mailed ticket might be more difficult, "I didn't get it in the mail" and that type of stuff. 

CA is also trying to outlaw the use of K9s - because apparently the dogs are racist. 

Focking racist dogs...

[dogcows 1,030]

2 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Dogcows - the only way this thread might be constructive is if there is more detail and follow up to these cases.   I have read way too many examples of details coming out later that can and should change perceptions of many of these types of incidents.  

IMO most of these examples fall in line with what my opinion was in the other thread.  We need to change up our policing somehow - step one is way fewer pullover interactions for things that can be a mailed ticket/fine.  

IMO, the most consistent thing I see with these incidents is the lack of accountability for officers. The defenders of the police love to say “it’s just a few bad apples.” But then they refuse to remove the bad apples, and slowly watch the entire bushel get spoiled.

It takes a lawsuit, or a viral video, or somebody high profile dying, etc... before an officer is even considered to be culpable. And in many cases, they will pay out millions of taxpayer dollars in lawsuit settlements before getting rid of one bad cop.

I’m all for union protections of workers. But it really goes too far with police. And then even if they DO get fired for violence, they often get rehired in the same town, or hired in another jurisdiction that either didn’t do a background check, or simply didn’t care about their violent history. Even Fox News did a piece on how widespread this is:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fired-police-officers-get-rehired-appeal-process

[League Champion 1,896]

41 minutes ago, dogcows said:

getting rid of one bad cop.

 

ACAB, say it. 

You know you want to 

[MDC 7,133]

I feel like the system works pretty well.

Cops have an impossible and dangerous job. They get a lot of leeway when it comes to use of force because they’re making split second decisions in extreme circumstances. They make mistakes like everyone else. When they’re deliberately abusive or misuse the public’s trust they should be held accountable. 

Not really sure what cataloguing the bad apples accomplishes other than riling up the many Geeks who cheer on police brutality. 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

California has the "mailed ticket" in some areas, not sure how well it works or not. But I imagine collecting on a mailed ticket might be more difficult, "I didn't get it in the mail" and that type of stuff. 

CA is also trying to outlaw the use of K9s - because apparently the dogs are racist. 

I'm sure there is a bit of that.   But I am coming at it from the side of the police and their safety and I think it's worth it.   

What's the reasoning behind the outlaw of K9s? 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

IMO, the most consistent thing I see with these incidents is the lack of accountability for officers. The defenders of the police love to say “it’s just a few bad apples.” But then they refuse to remove the bad apples, and slowly watch the entire bushel get spoiled.

It takes a lawsuit, or a viral video, or somebody high profile dying, etc... before an officer is even considered to be culpable. And in many cases, they will pay out millions of taxpayer dollars in lawsuit settlements before getting rid of one bad cop.

I’m all for union protections of workers. But it really goes too far with police. And then even if they DO get fired for violence, they often get rehired in the same town, or hired in another jurisdiction that either didn’t do a background check, or simply didn’t care about their violent history. Even Fox News did a piece on how widespread this is:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fired-police-officers-get-rehired-appeal-process

I get what you are saying, but we default to the side of the cops for good reason.    The vast majority are good and how can we trust our system if we don't believe that as well?  

That said, in no way shape or form should cops be getting rehired when there is a history of violence vs. citizens in cases like this.  

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

I feel like the system works pretty well.

Cops have an impossible and dangerous job. They get a lot of leeway when it comes to use of force because they’re making split second decisions in extreme circumstances. They make mistakes like everyone else. When they’re deliberately abusive or misuse the public’s trust they should be held accountable. 

Not really sure what cataloguing the bad apples accomplishes other than riling up the many Geeks who cheer on police brutality. 

I disagree, because of the interactions and training.   I think it's a deadly combination that has eroded at the trust in the system and safety off all involved.  

Like people agreed in the other thread - we are largely using things like broken taillights, which while are a safety hazard aren't 100% the reason for the stop - it's to look for more.  So we have fostered a system where the citizens know they are largely being pulled over for this stuff, and for their safety cops have to react and treat each encounter like the person is hiding something.  Tensions are already high before they start talking to each other.   It was shown to be effective a small % of the time, but we use that way of policing most of the time.  IMO it's got to change.  

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Just walked my dog.  Watched him take a huge, stinky dump.  Thought about this thread.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,839]

14 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Just walked my dog.  Watched him take a huge, stinky dump.  Thought about this thread.

[RLLD 4,143]

Seems like just yesterday liberals were defunding the police because they are so awful, then pretending it was actually conservatives when their stupidity resulted in bad outcomes.  Then they defended law enforcement again when conservatives went after the FBI they were suddenly fas again....

Hard to keep up with "wrong and right" when its so maleable. 

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Seems like just yesterday liberals were defunding the police because they are so awful, then pretending it was actually conservatives when their stupidity resulted in bad outcomes.  Then they defended law enforcement again when conservatives went after the FBI they were suddenly fas again....

Hard to keep up with "wrong and right" when its so maleable. 

The bolded is not a requirement to support defunding or changes.  

[dogcows 1,030]

Sometimes the bad apples get rid of themselves.

https://portside.org/2023-07-05/half-police-force-quit-crime-dropped

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“When I started, Black folks I’d speak to in Minneapolis seemed surprised that I’d been hired,” Chief Green said when I spoke with him recently. “They told me they and most people they knew avoided driving through Golden Valley.”

Members of the overwhelmingly white police force responded to both hires by quitting — in droves.

An outside investigation later revealed that some officers had run an opposition campaign against Chief Green. One of those officers recorded herself making a series of racist comments during a call with city officials, then sent the recording to other police officers. She was fired — prompting yet another wave of resignations.

The typical Golden Valley police officer makes a six-figure salary with good benefits. The city has almost no violent crime. It’s a good gig. Yet in just two years, more than half the department quit.

“I haven’t been on the job long enough to make any significant changes,” Chief Green said. “Yet we’re losing officers left and right. It’s hard not to think that they just don’t want to work under a Black supervisor.”

The interesting thing is that according to Chief Green, despite the reduction in staff, crime — already low — has gone down in Golden Valley. The town plans to staff the department back up, just not right away. “I’ve heard that the police union is cautioning officers from coming to work here,” Mr. Harris said. “But that’s OK. We want to take the time to hire officers who share our vision and are excited to work toward our goals.”

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,944]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Sometimes the bad apples get rid of themselves.

https://portside.org/2023-07-05/half-police-force-quit-crime-dropped

 

That’s funny. Funny because Chief Green was talking about the staffing shortages at his introductory press conference after his swearing in last year. Duped by left wing propaganda once again.  

[dogcows 1,030]

This police chief from Ohio used his vacation in Key West as a chance to beat up a homeless man.

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/boston-hts-police-chief-arrested-in-key-west-for-beating-homeless-man-for-no-apparent-reason-police-say

 

[avoiding injuries 1,511]

On 7/24/2023 at 3:09 PM, League Champion said:

 

Damn. Jakwon was on our list of baby names. Weird

[seafoam1 2,803]

Liberals are so stupid.

[Baker Boy 1,688]

EBay billionaire who supported defund the police movement poised to cash in on private security investments

Private security industry is booming, thanks in part to money from defund the police supporters

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ebay-billionaire-supported-defund-police-movement-poised-cash-private-security-investments

 

[dogcows 1,030]

7 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

EBay billionaire who supported defund the police movement poised to cash in on private security investments

Private security industry is booming, thanks in part to money from defund the police supporters

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ebay-billionaire-supported-defund-police-movement-poised-cash-private-security-investments

 

Really? How many police departments got defunded?

[dogcows 1,030]

How about a feel-good story about a police officer?

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/officer-surprises-young-boy-with-playstation-ps5-after-neighbors-ask-for-him-to-be-removed-hapeville-georgia-police-department-officer-colleran-video-game-system?fbclid=IwAR3SlQUiegjVhX38P1_ZxgfhJPbhZVEguKkd2BxC7LR6LqQNTlvW06ctrkw

These are the kind of police officers we need more of!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,944]

20 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Really? How many police departments got defunded?

Austin Texas did. Budget cut by one-third. There’s one. It’s working out great. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

Really? How many police departments got defunded?

Are you really this dumb?

[League Champion 1,896]

9 hours ago, dogcows said:

How many police departments got defunded

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community