Don’t defund police, pay them more!

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

This is a sad story: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna100008

Yes I want police reform. Yes I want institutionalized racism in the inner cities to stop. But I also want police around this country well paid. The two goals are not contradictory. 
 

$22 an hour? For a police officer? That’s indefensible. 

[seafoam1 2,838]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

This is a sad story: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna100008

Yes I want police reform. Yes I want institutionalized racism in the inner cities to stop. But I also want police around this country well paid. The two goals are not contradictory. 
 

$22 an hour? For a police officer? That’s indefensible. 

There is no institutional racism outside of BLM and similar type liberal groups. So...

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a sad story: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna100008

Yes I want police reform. Yes I want institutionalized racism in the inner cities to stop. But I also want police around this country well paid. The two goals are not contradictory. 
 

$22 an hour? For a police officer? That’s indefensible. 

There is no “institutional “ racism. Unless you can show me the policy that is. Go! 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

There is no “institutional “ racism. Unless you can show me the policy that is. Go! 

No. We’ve had the argument before and I already know I won’t convince you, despite what I believe is overwhelming evidence. I don’t want to have that debate again here. I only brought it up to point out that police need to be paid well no matter what criticisms we may have about them. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,753]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

There is no institutional racism outside of BLM and similar type liberal groups. So...

Quotas to ensure a certain percentage of police must have a certain color of skin pigmentation regardless of test scores and qualifications?

[seafoam1 2,838]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. We’ve had the argument before and I already know I won’t convince you, despite what I believe is overwhelming evidence. I don’t want to have that debate again here. I only brought it up to point out that police need to be paid well no matter what criticisms we may have about them. 

These are the liberal idiots you vote for.

 

[seafoam1 2,838]

4 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Quotas to ensure a certain percentage of police must have a certain color of skin pigmentation regardless of test scores and qualifications?

It's mind boggling. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. We’ve had the argument before and I already know I won’t convince you, despite what I believe is overwhelming evidence. I don’t want to have that debate again here. I only brought it up to point out that police need to be paid well no matter what criticisms we may have about them. 

Sure. Just keep in mind the boogey man you have dreamed up exists in blue cities. 

[BufordT 429]

What they lack in starting pay they more than make up for in benefits. Let's not forget they practically have unlimited easy overtime which mostly consists of doing traffic detail.

[seafoam1 2,838]

1 minute ago, BufordT said:

What they lack in starting pay they more than make up for in benefits. Let's not forget they practically have unlimited easy overtime which mostly consists of doing traffic detail.

This is true. The pay scale should change though depending on where they are patrolling.

There's a bit of a difference working the west side of Chicago vs. Lake Forest, IL.

Or working Trenton, NJ vs. some sleepy farm town in Iowa. 

[supermike80 1,851]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. We’ve had the argument before and I already know I won’t convince you, despite what I believe is overwhelming evidence. I don’t want to have that debate again here. I only brought it up to point out that police need to be paid well no matter what criticisms we may have about them. 

Then stop bringing it up you ass.  You could have just talked about the $22/hr, instead you have to add your bullsh!t.  Everytime.  You're nothing more than a hack

[TBayXXXVII 2,499]

31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a sad story: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna100008

Yes I want police reform. Yes I want institutionalized racism in the inner cities to stop. But I also want police around this country well paid. The two goals are not contradictory. 
 

$22 an hour? For a police officer? That’s indefensible. 

They should defund the police completely and use social workers in the communist states and use real police officers in American states.  You'll know which is which by the 81M.

[RLLD 4,156]

I read about this one.  It seems as though the locality is perhaps not well-funded in general.  The chief warned the council that he was sturggling to find and keep officers, and the council did take some actions, but clearly it was not enough. 

I applaud anyone who would bother to become a police officer today.  To some degree I see it as foolhardy.  The vilification of police is misplaced and helps no one. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

You can pay them all you want. If they aren’t going after bad guys and when they do the DA’s don’t charge them and even when they do that they walk out a few hours later then what does it do for the people? 

[Strike 5,307]

34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. We’ve had the argument before and I already know I won’t convince you, despite what I believe is overwhelming evidence. I don’t want to have that debate again here. I only brought it up to point out that police need to be paid well no matter what criticisms we may have about them. 

YOU don't know what "overwhelming" evidence is.  There is OVERWHELMING evidence that Michael Brown was a good shoot, as I PROVED the other day, but you CHOOSE to believe otherwise.  You have ZERO credibility on this issue.

[lod001 1,344]

30 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I read about this one.  It seems as though the locality is perhaps not well-funded in general.  The chief warned the council that he was sturggling to find and keep officers, and the council did take some actions, but clearly it was not enough. 

I applaud anyone who would bother to become a police officer today.  To some degree I see it as foolhardy.  The vilification of police is misplaced and helps no one. 

Anyone becoming a police officer, the 1st thing you do is see who the city or county is run by. If it's libtards, look elsewhere. They do not have your back.

[RLLD 4,156]

2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Anyone becoming a police officer, the 1st thing you do is see who the city or county is run by. If it's libtards, look elsewhere. They do not have your back.

Absolutely.  But leqadership changes, and we cannot predict when liberal policies will run down an area. We know it will, but depending on the level of stuipidty of the policies it might happen faster than expected. 

[TheNewGirl 1,400]

36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I read about this one.  It seems as though the locality is perhaps not well-funded in general.  The chief warned the council that he was sturggling to find and keep officers, and the council did take some actions, but clearly it was not enough. 

There is a local fire department going through the same thing. They literally had to CLOSE a fire station due to not receiving the same amount of pay that cities receive, so no one was applying to work there. Unfortunately, it's also a rural area, where our wildfires tend to get out of control. 

 

[RLLD 4,156]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

There is a local fire department going through the same thing. They literally had to CLOSE a fire station due to not receiving the same amount of pay that cities receive, so no one was applying to work there. Unfortunately, it's also a rural area, where our wildfires tend to get out of control. 

 

Maybe the social workers can help with the fires too

[Bier Meister 1,669]

It never should have been "defund the police."

 

It should have been "let's vet  and train better, and remove bad apples."

[TheNewGirl 1,400]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a sad story: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna100008

Yes I want police reform. Yes I want institutionalized racism in the inner cities to stop. But I also want police around this country well paid. The two goals are not contradictory. 
 

$22 an hour? For a police officer? That’s indefensible. 

Inner cities are mostly blue, right? 

Aren't most blue voters also ACAB members? Why would they pay them more when they hate them? 

This makes NO sense to me why liberal voters cannot connect the dots here. You can't scream ACAB and defund police, and then turn around and biitch and moan about it.  

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

45 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Then stop bringing it up you ass.  You could have just talked about the $22/hr, instead you have to add your bullsh!t.  Everytime.  You're nothing more than a hack

Thanks for the lecture. But I’ll bring up what I want. 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

1 minute ago, Bier Meister said:

It never should have been "defund the police."

 

It should have been "let's vet  and train better, and remove bad apples."

Yes. 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

29 minutes ago, Strike said:

YOU don't know what "overwhelming" evidence is.  There is OVERWHELMING evidence that Michael Brown was a good shoot, as I PROVED the other day, but you CHOOSE to believe otherwise.  You have ZERO credibility on this issue.

The only one with zero credibility on this issue is you and anyone else who denies the existence of institutionalized racism. We can debate all day what to do about it but not that it’s there. It’s sad and pathetic that anyone still nerds convincing on this. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,084]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

The only one with zero credibility on this issue is you and anyone else who denies the existence of institutionalized racism. We can debate all day what to do about it but not that it’s there. It’s sad and pathetic that anyone still nerds convincing on this. 

You want reform? You got reform.  How’s it going? 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You want reform? You got reform.  How’s it going? 

Actually we don’t. We need reform of police on a federal level.For example, the George Floyd Act. 
 

I believe you’re referring to reform of our criminal Justice system, not the police. But that’s a separate topic (ont that I believe you and most conservatives here are also very wrong about.) 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,278]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. We’ve had the argument before and I already know I won’t convince you, despite what I believe is overwhelming evidence. I don’t want to have that debate again here. I only brought it up to point out that police need to be paid well no matter what criticisms we may have about them. 

institutional racism would be based on a policy, so therefore it doesn't exist

what does exist is that black people commit so much crime proportionately to their population that it makes cops react differently when they encounter black criminals

 

[TheNewGirl 1,400]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually we don’t. We need reform of police on a federal level.For example, the George Floyd Act. 

The George Floyd act passed, isn't that reform? It passed in 2021, and you expect all law enforcement agencies across the US to be up to speed? 

Again, you have acts like this that pass, you have the ACAB groups, the defund groups. And then you complain that there aren't enough cops. 

Can't have it both ways. You can't call for the defunding of LEOs, pay them less, reduce consequences for crimes, and then expect it to work. This makes NO sense to me why people don't understand it. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,278]

51 minutes ago, Strike said:

YOU don't know what "overwhelming" evidence is.  There is OVERWHELMING evidence that Michael Brown was a good shoot, as I PROVED the other day, but you CHOOSE to believe otherwise.  You have ZERO credibility on this issue.

on this issue?  try on all issues 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

institutional racism would be based on a policy, so therefore it doesn't exist

what does exist is that black people commit so much crime proportionately to their population that it makes cops react differently when they encounter black criminals

 

Yes I’ve heard this argument a billion times; it’s a variation of “they bring it on themselves”. I reject it. Cops should treat all criminals the same, regardless of race. If they do not, then by definition they’re behaving in a racist manner. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,278]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes I’ve heard this argument a billion times; it’s a variation of “they bring it on themselves”. I reject it. Cops should treat all criminals the same, regardless of race. If they do not, then by definition they’re behaving in a racist manner. 

its called perceived threat, its not being racist, they do the same thing to people of all races, appearance and behavior play a large part as well

I am waiting for the story where racist white cop kills innocent black man who is polite and follows orders 

the fact that you dont care when black cops kill black criminals shows your own bias, you only want it RACISM

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

The George Floyd act passed, isn't that reform? It passed in 2021, and you expect all law enforcement agencies across the US to be up to speed? 

Again, you have acts like this that pass, you have the ACAB groups, the defund groups. And then you complain that there aren't enough cops. 

Can't have it both ways. You can't call for the defunding of LEOs, pay them less, reduce consequences for crimes, and then expect it to work. This makes NO sense to me why people don't understand it. 

The George Floyd Act didn’t pass. it should have but Senate Republicans killed it. 
 

I agree you can’t have it both ways. That was the point of this thread. Defunding police does not work, if we expect them to perform better they need to be paid more not less. 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

I am waiting for the story where racist white cop kills innocent black man who is polite and follows orders 

 

There are tons of stories exactly like this. I recommend you read any of the following books: 

White Rage 

The New Jim Crow 

Just Mercy 

Race Against Time 

Theres a whole bunch of others. Please open your mind on this topic and see what’s really happening. I sense you mean well but the truth isn’t what you’re projecting. 

[Fnord 2,106]

1 hour ago, BufordT said:

What they lack in starting pay they more than make up for in benefits. Let's not forget they practically have unlimited easy overtime which mostly consists of doing traffic detail.

Dude, there are 1000 people in the town. There ain't no traffic details.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,278]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

There are tons of stories exactly like this. I recommend you read any of the following books: 

White Rage 

The New Jim Crow 

Just Mercy 

Race Against Time 

Theres a whole bunch of others. Please open your mind on this topic and see what’s really happening. I sense you mean well but the truth isn’t what you’re projecting. 

no link me a story within the last 3-4 years of it actually occurring

not some liberal hate book blaming whitey

 

[Fnord 2,106]

13 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

The George Floyd act passed, isn't that reform? It passed in 2021, and you expect all law enforcement agencies across the US to be up to speed? 

Again, you have acts like this that pass, you have the ACAB groups, the defund groups. And then you complain that there aren't enough cops. 

Can't have it both ways. You can't call for the defunding of LEOs, pay them less, reduce consequences for crimes, and then expect it to work. This makes NO sense to me why people don't understand it. 

This is a tiny town in a rural county that votes red. This is not about defunding the police. The funds were never there to start with.

[BufordT 429]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Dude, there are 1000 people in the town. There ain't no traffic details.

Dude, yes there is, and if not, they go to surrounding towns. In the unlikely event there's zero opportunity (lol) for traffic detail they'll get their OT one way or another.

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

1 hour ago, BufordT said:

What they lack in starting pay they more than make up for in benefits. Let's not forget they practically have unlimited easy overtime which mostly consists of doing traffic detail.

Here is a cop hater lol.

[BufordT 429]

1 minute ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Here is a cop hater lol.

Not a hater. They're just like every occupation out there.  There's mostly good ones, some bad ones and believe it or not some crooked ones.  But one thing I know, they like that OT.

[listen2me 23 1,836]

45 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

It never should have been "defund the police."

 

It should have been "let's vet  and train better, and remove bad apples."

This is why I always say Libs have no foresight.   They just react to emotions.  Hmmmm you don't like the way cops do work? So the solution is to TAKE training pay and resources away.....to get what result exactly?  Worse cops? 

If logic got up and smacked libs in the face they still wouldn't get it.