Why is there so much anti-gay hatred? Woman shot and killed for having a rainbow flag in her store.

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

The police know who he is (they killed the focker so presumably they got the right guy) but have not released his identity, nor has the media, so Tim has nothing to work with.

It happened in Cedar Glen, CA, if that helps, for anybody who wants to speculate. 

 

Ceder Glen is a community within Lake Arrowhead, a mountain resort community in Southern California.. It’s pretty heavily white. Though the shooter may not have been, I’ve no idea 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Works of homosexuals and the workings of homosexuality are two different things. But nice try straw man. 

I responded to the wrong post. 

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30 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Where is there any proof ot was rhetoric that lead to violence.   Violence against leftist are always assumed ti be caused by rhetoric.  The far more prevalent violent acts by the leftist radicals are deemed random acts of peace.   It is all total BS.  There is not even proof of what caused this one piece of anecdotal evidence to these grossly exaggerated thesis from the bewindead brownshirts on the left who stir up more hatred and violence than anyone. 

There are hundreds of children who expressed regret that they were transitioned to a different sex and are now sterile and are ridden with numerous medical problems.  But they are dismissed as anecdotal.  You bastards talk our of both sides of your ass.  

I asked the same question in the last "conservatives are causing hate crimes" thread and it was ignored there as well.  

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22 hours ago, weepaws said:

Does that include right judgement, so if you see someone/child being abused you’re going to just turn away because you don’t judge? 

Thats a really big reason why this world/ country is crap today, we don’t want to judge righteously.  To many turn there backs to problems and just move on, I like it when we use right judgement, he keeps those that want to do harm in the dark, today their not afraid to come out into the cover of light, why should they fear, they know we won’t judge their wrong.  Move on man, move on.  

I'm not sure why you read it that way but of course not.  But do I care if two adults are gay and minding their own business and living their own life?  No.  

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30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did you read the part of the article where it said “rhetoric” was used before the murder?

JFC are you dumb.  

[jonmx 2,424]

30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is correct. The Nazis burned the works of homosexuals and leftists. Seems you approve, 

Your concept of what is left and right is an artificial distinction and complete BS.  

The battlelines are between centralized authoritarian bastards (Nazi's, Stalinists, Marxists, fascists) vs. Individual freedom and rights.  

I am not sure what is so complex.   You get so confused by the intellectualism nonsense, you can't think straight.  Communism and Fascism are the same authoritarian monster with a different shade of lipstick.  

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5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

@Mike Hunt and @jerryskids, and @EternalShinyAndChrome said they “may” be

 

Way to misrepresent what I said, when I pointed out how you were wrong about "white privilege".   

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Way to misrepresent what I said, when I pointed out how you were wrong about "white privilege".   

You didn’t say blacks were at a disadvantage?

6 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

No, "black disadvantage" is a real thing.  And self-made.  Every other ethnicity, including Asian/Hispanic/European, benefits relatively from it.

 

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I guess we’re making progress though with multiple people here acknowledging blacks are at a disadvantage.

 

6 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Who? Name them. 

 

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7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s a simple question because only a simple person would ask it. 

So no answer because they are not "disadvantaged". 

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Black kids are disadvantaged when they are raised by a single parent in the inner city.  Just like a white kid is disadvantaged when raised by a single-parent and in poverty conditions.  By numbers, there are more white kids in the disadvantaged group., but modern leftist dispise poor white kids and disregard them because they are more interested in promoting the race wars which keep them in power.

Damn, leftist Democrats are sick bastards.  You should be ashamed of the crap you support.  F-ing disgusting. 

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10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Because they first came here as slaves 

Know your history. There were white slaves in the United States long before the Africans. 

https://www.ironbarkresources.com/slaves/whiteslaves11.htm

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3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Know your history. There were white slaves in the United States long before the Africans. 

https://www.ironbarkresources.com/slaves/whiteslaves11.htm

TimAssCrack and TimCrotch are the prototypical liberal race baiters that obama trained them.to be. It's impossible to break them free of the liberal cult they freely joined.

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It’s been 4 days do we know the identity of the white Christian conservative homophobe murderer yet?

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Just now, Dizkneelande said:

It’s been 4 days do we know the identity of the white Christian conservative homophobe murderer yet?

Crazy huh? 

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The libs are praying for this to be a white patriot so they can riot and loot

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Just now, Sagging Scrot said:

The libs are praying for this to be a white patriot so they can riot and loot

It doesn't matter because anyway you slice it, it will either become a gun issue or a White Supremacist problem. They'll make sure of it . 

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21 minutes ago, Sagging Scrot said:

The libs are praying for this to be a white patriot so they can riot and loot

If it was the name and everything else would’ve been released already 

[HellToupee 1,596]

30 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

It’s been 4 days do we know the identity of the white Christian conservative homophobe murderer yet?

I’m guessing it’s either an illegal or one of the small subset of trans community that is very violent 

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2 hours ago, League Champion said:

Know your history. There were white slaves in the United States long before the Africans. 

https://www.ironbarkresources.com/slaves/whiteslaves11.htm

This is a really terrible argument. 

There has been slavery throughout history for every race. But black slavery in the Americas (mostly the United States, Haiti and Jamaica) is unique in history because it was based on skin color. Thus it cannot be compared to any other slavery before or since. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a really terrible argument. 

There has been slavery throughout history for every race. But black slavery in the Americas (mostly the United States, Haiti and Jamaica) is unique in history because it was based on skin color. Thus it cannot be compared to any other slavery before or since. 

It was based on skin color because the white slaves couldn’t work in the sun. They were a bad investment.  

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Thus it cannot be compared to any other slavery before or since. 

You're trying so hard. Do you think Irish, Italian or Polish immigrants came here with free handouts? NO, they faced unimaginable discrimination and had to earn every damn bit of what they got. 

But guess what, they managed to build communities without government assistance or handouts. How come the blacks haven't been able to do that in almost 200 years?? 

STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!! 

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21 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You're trying so hard. Do you think Irish, Italian or Polish immigrants came here with free handouts? NO, they faced unimaginable discrimination and had to earn every damn bit of what they got. 

But guess what, they managed to build communities without government assistance or handouts. How come the blacks haven't been able to do that in almost 200 years?? 

STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!! 

The hardship these other groups faced, including my own grandparents, were not based on skin color: they didn’t have to suffer Jim Crow. It’s just not comparable.

That’s not an excuse. That’s history. 

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16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The hardship these other groups faced, including my own grandparents, were not based on skin color: they didn’t have to suffer Jim Crow. It’s just not comparable.

That’s not an excuse. That’s history. 

Who focking cares what the hell any perceived hatred is based on? Why do you keep getting dumber?

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18 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Who focking cares what the hell any perceived hatred is based on? Why do you keep getting dumber?

Because the central point, which you blindly refuse to accept, is that blacks people are not to blame for their own problems. They have been, are, and continue to be victims of white oppression and racism. This is the main reason for their overall poverty, any tendency towards violence and crime, and any inequities they suffer. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because the central point, which you blindly refuse to accept, is that blacks people are not to blame for their own problems. They have been, are, and continue to be victims of white oppression and racism. This is the main reason for their overall poverty, any tendency towards violence and crime, and any inequities they suffer. 

It's amazing how some black people, you know, the successful ones who simply worked hard and had morals, aren't oppressed. It's only the lazy criminals that that seem to be "oppressed". 

Shocking. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because the central point, which you blindly refuse to accept, is that blacks people are not to blame for their own problems. They have been, are, and continue to be victims of white oppression and racism. This is the main reason for their overall poverty, any tendency towards violence and crime, and any inequities they suffer. 

You’re right they are not to blame I 100% blame Democrats.

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1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

It’s been 4 days do we know the identity of the white Christian conservative homophobe murderer yet?

Probably something like a minority homeless crackhead.  They want this to be a Maga story as long as possible.

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4 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

You’re right they are not to blame I 100% blame Democrats.

A disadvantaged black kid has far more help and options than a disadvantaged white kid.   Democrats are leaving those kids to rot because they do not fit into the picture that leftists need to paint. 

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12 hours ago, jonmx said:

As usual, a nothing comment from the biggest dipshit in the internet. 

Says the guy who thinks George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers were slaves. 

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14 hours ago, TimHauck said:

By “self-made,” you mean some black people are making it harder for other black people that they may have nothing in common with other than the color of their skin?  Yes, there’s some of that, but there’s also racism that has been passed down among families.   Yes, fortunately most of the true “systemic racism” in the form of government policies racist against blacks no longer exists, but it wasn’t that long ago that it did, so many of the people that instituted those policies could still be racist themselves and then taught their kids to be racist, intentionally or not.  Just look at the open racism from several (albeit fortunately not the majority) on this board.   So there’s probably still a bit of tossing resumes in the trash if their name is Jamal and that sort of thing going on.

There’s also subconscious racism.  I’ll give an example that relates to your last point.  It’s likely harder for blacks to make friends with strangers of other races for example. One thing that I know has been talked about in here is walking down the street, many people may put their guard up a bit if they pass a black person, afraid they might get mugged.  Does it seem reasonable to fear something that happens to a small % of people (sure, albeit higher than a “fraction”)?

The data is from the FBI, and again, that guy complaining about it is implying the numbers should be higher, so this is a weird flex from you and Strike.  And again, even if the total numbers may not be exact, there would still be consistency when comparing the % change in the different groups.

 

It's hard for any person of one race to make friends with strangers from another race.  Are you saying that a white kid walking into an all-black classroom would be welcomed with open arms?  Also it is human nature to be on guard when passing a stranger from another tribe; that is how we survived through caveman days.  As somebody else said, in this day and age it is more about how the stranger carries himself/dresses vs. skin color, which as I think about it could be another demarcation of "tribe".

Also bad data can be wrong in either direction, as you well know.  My sense was that they were too high, given the relative crime rates.

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

It doesn't matter because anyway you slice it, it will either become a gun issue or a White Supremacist problem. They'll make sure of it . 

Pfft, Larry Elder, the black former gubernatorial candidate from CA, was called the "black face of white supremacy."  This one will be easy peasy.   

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is a really terrible argument. 

There has been slavery throughout history for every race. But black slavery in the Americas (mostly the United States, Haiti and Jamaica) is unique in history because it was based on skin color. Thus it cannot be compared to any other slavery before or since. 

There isn’t a doubt in my mind by the way you use day help that you would’ve been a slave owner back then. 

[League Champion 1,896]

54 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The hardship these other groups faced, including my own grandparents, were not based on skin color: they didn’t have to suffer Jim Crow. It’s just not comparable.

That’s not an excuse. That’s history. 

Democrats 

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because the central point, which you blindly refuse to accept, is that blacks people are not to blame for their own problems. They have been, are, and continue to be victims of white oppression and racism. This is the main reason for their overall poverty, any tendency towards violence and crime, and any inequities they suffer. 

And... here we see encapsulated the reason why African Americans will never succeed as a group in this country.  It's just not their fault.  Not at all.  It's all us whitey's faults.  

Notice I said AAs; Nigerians kick ass, which has been discussed here.  Then again, they have a commitment to education, family, and personal responsibility. 

Ignore that, it's 100% whitey's fault.   

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I’m guessing domestic. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The hardship these other groups faced, including my own grandparents, were not based on skin color: they didn’t have to suffer Jim Crow. It’s just not comparable.

That’s not an excuse. That’s history. 

So, you've never seen the pictures on Ellis Island or around New York and the colonies that had signs that said, "NO IRISH" or anything like that? Perhaps there weren't "laws" specifically in place, but to call other forms of discrimination just "history" because the individuals weren't the correct color is just astounding to me. 

How about Native Americans? I'd MUCH rather pay them reparations, honestly. Especially out here in CA. If you read some of the stories of how tribes were completely obliterated as settlers traveled west, it's nauseating. Just come in and murder hundreds of people. Didn't bother to make them slaves, just killed them off. I often wonder why we don't focus on that part of American history and who is owed something. 

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21 minutes ago, squistion said:

Says the guy who thinks George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers were slaves. 

No you f-ing moron.  But the 300,000 plus European endentured servants who came here in the 1600's were slaves, many of whom were children. 

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13 minutes ago, jonmx said:

No you f-ing moron.  But the 300,000 plus European endentured servants who came here in the 1600's were slaves, many of whom were children. 

You tripped him up, he so confused right now

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19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

you've never seen the pictures on Ellis Island or around New York and the colonies that had signs that said, "NO IRISH" or anything like that? Perhaps there weren't "laws" specifically in place, but to call other forms of discrimination just "history" because the individuals weren't the correct color is just astounding to me. 

He's so ignorant. Irish has it the worst. 

Blacks today have every and more opportunities than whites. Whether they take advantage of it or not is another argument. 

If you're a Black person today and have half a brain, the world is your oyster. 

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12 minutes ago, League Champion said:

He's so ignorant. Irish has it the worst. 

Blacks today have every and more opportunities than whites. Whether they take advantage of it or not is another argument. 

If you're a Black person today and have half a brain, the world is your oyster. 

Every university, government at every level, and corporation are bending over backwards trying to give African-Americans a leg up.  Most are not taking advantage of it.   Every other minority has risen up above the obstacles and succeeded on their own.   But for whatever reason many blacks don't value middle class success.   The majority of blacks want to hit the lottery and live the high lifestyles of big-time sports hero, or entertainer, or rap star.  There are no structural obstacles by society which keeps blacks from moving into the middle class, in fact the red carpet has been laid out to them for several decades.