War in Israel

[The Real timschochet 6,585]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

So it turns out that Israel did know, as did the USA.....after all.....once again, we move from "you are crazy", "right wing conspiracy" and into....oh sh!t, its real.....

Rink

 

 

It’s really not a conspiracy. America received pretty accurate reports of the attacks on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 well beforehand and we dismissed them as far-fetched. I’m guessing 99% of the reports warning of attacks we receive ARE far-fetched and the same goes for Israel. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,226]

Bombs away.  

[RLLD 4,191]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s really not a conspiracy. America received pretty accurate reports of the attacks on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 well beforehand and we dismissed them as far-fetched. I’m guessing 99% of the reports warning of attacks we receive ARE far-fetched and the same goes for Israel. 

Oh I agree.....with you here.... but I was responding to one of those members who will laugh off these assertions when I make them as if "I" am crazy.   I hope that what eventually emerges is an appreciate for, and healthy fear of, our government and others.  Because any notion that they are "good" should be dispelled....

Government is a necessary evil that we should view warily and work diligently to limit....not empower.

[The Real timschochet 6,585]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh I agree.....with you here.... but I was responding to one of those members who will laugh off these assertions when I make them as if "I" am crazy.   I hope that what eventually emerges is an appreciate for, and healthy fear of, our government and others.  Because any notion that they are "good" should be dispelled....

Government is a necessary evil that we should view warily and work diligently to limit....not empower.

Why does this mean we should fear government? And why is it “evil”? I think you misuse the term greatly. 

[jerryskids 6,708]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Bombs away.  

Yep, fighting resumed.

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Israel’s military restarted fighting against Hamas in Gaza after a week-long truce to allow hostages to be released broke down on Friday.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had “resumed combat operations” and accused Hamas of violating the truce first by firing rockets toward Israeli territory.

Smoke could be seen billowing across parts of the densely populated enclave as the IDF declared it was once again “out to destroy” Hamas

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-resumes-combat-operations-hamas-truce-expires-intl-hnk/index.html

I love this part:

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The Hamas-controlled Government Media Office in Gaza blamed the international community – and the United States in particular – for the resumption of fighting, saying they bear “responsibility for the crimes of the ‘Israeli’ occupation and the continuation of the brutal war against civilians, children and women in the Gaza Strip.”

They are playing folks like @The Real timschochetlike a fiddle, plucking all of the white guilt marxist oppressor/oppressed strings.   

[League Champion 1,909]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why does this mean we should fear government?

Little Kids and Parents need to fear Joe Biden. He may sniff and grope them inappropriately. 

And for future reference, next time they tell you to take a vaccine. Give it some thought first

[The Real timschochet 6,585]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yep, fighting resumed.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/01/middleeast/israel-resumes-combat-operations-hamas-truce-expires-intl-hnk/index.html

I love this part:

They are playing folks like @The Real timschochetlike a fiddle, plucking all of the white guilt marxist oppressor/oppressed strings.   

Please don’t attempt to speak for me. I have no problem with Israel resuming combat at this point. 

[RLLD 4,191]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why does this mean we should fear government? And why is it “evil”? I think you misuse the term greatly. 

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” ~ George Washington

Recall that our founders feared government, and intially the central government was weak by design.   Right now we see the beaurocracy holding too much power, and people continue to invest in government as a "solution"

Government is NOT A SOLUTION....they make everything take longer, cost more and be of lower quality. Government should be minimally used, only for basic services.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

So it turns out that Israel did know, as did the USA.....after all.....once again, we move from "you are crazy", "right wing conspiracy" and into....oh sh!t, its real.....

Rink

 

 

I posted the story in this thread already

[jerryskids 6,708]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Please don’t attempt to speak for me. I have no problem with Israel resuming combat at this point. 

Fair enough.   

I'll generalize it to say that they are playing to the Leftist marxists.  "Hey simps, I know we violated the cease fire and sent rockets instead of hostages to Israel, but we are oppressed, woe is us$#@!  Please go tell Israel to stop killing the civilians we are hiding behind so that we can send more bombs, mkay thanks!"

[IGotWorms 4,057]

43 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh I agree.....with you here.... but I was responding to one of those members who will laugh off these assertions when I make them as if "I" am crazy.   I hope that what eventually emerges is an appreciate for, and healthy fear of, our government and others.  Because any notion that they are "good" should be dispelled....

Government is a necessary evil that we should view warily and work diligently to limit....not empower.

This doesn’t even make sense. That’s why you’re crazy. HTH

[IGotWorms 4,057]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Fair enough.   

I'll generalize it to say that they are playing to the Leftist marxists.  "Hey simps, I know we violated the cease fire and sent rockets instead of hostages to Israel, but we are oppressed, woe is us$#@!  Please go tell Israel to stop killing the civilians we are hiding behind so that we can send more bombs, mkay thanks!"

I think you’d have to be dumb to blindly believe anything anyone says in a war

[The Real timschochet 6,585]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Fair enough.   

I'll generalize it to say that they are playing to the Leftist marxists.  "Hey simps, I know we violated the cease fire and sent rockets instead of hostages to Israel, but we are oppressed, woe is us$#@!  Please go tell Israel to stop killing the civilians we are hiding behind so that we can send more bombs, mkay thanks!"

They don’t need to convince any leftist Marxists (bit of a redundancy BTW)

[jonnyutah 266]

56 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s really not a conspiracy. America received pretty accurate reports of the attacks on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 well beforehand and we dismissed them as far-fetched. I’m guessing 99% of the reports warning of attacks we receive ARE far-fetched and the same goes for Israel. 

Everybody mark the time. Tim is right. 

 

[League Champion 1,909]

Ahhh, the Sheep. DO DUMB AZZ LIBERALS EVEN THINK ANYMORE OR DO THEY JUST JUMP ON EVERY BANDWAGON?

 

 

[jerryskids 6,708]

Badass:

https://x.com/YosephHaddad/status/1729924827840983522?s=20

 

[jerryskids 6,708]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I think you’d have to be dumb to blindly believe anything anyone says in a war

Ah, that Leftie moral equivalency again.  "Both sides do bad things."  Jeebus.   

[nobody 2,642]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

This doesn’t even make sense. That’s why you’re crazy. HTH

You've demonstrated that you have trouble comprehending basic posts, though.  You literally say stuff like, "I don't even know what this means," a lot even when the meaning of something is clear.  So maybe you're just once again the one guy that doesn't understand.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Ah, that Leftie moral equivalency again.  "Both sides do bad things."  Jeebus.   

Except that’s not what I said

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

You've demonstrated that you have trouble comprehending basic posts, though.  You literally say stuff like, "I don't even know what this means," a lot even when the meaning of something is clear.  So maybe you're just the once again the one guy that doesn't understand.

Wrong.

Ray says it’s not a conspiracy, Israel didn’t let the attack happen on purpose or anything.

But then he turns around and says see this is why governments are the sum of all evil and you should never ever trust them!!

It does not follow.

Really he is a conspiracy nut, not just doesn’t want to admit it. Which is pretty cowardly imo 

[jerryskids 6,708]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

You've demonstrated that you have trouble comprehending basic posts, though.  You literally say stuff like, "I don't even know what this means," a lot even when the meaning of something is clear.  So maybe you're just the once again the one guy that doesn't understand.

He doesn't even understand his own posts.

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Except that’s not what I said

 

[RLLD 4,191]

24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I posted the story in this thread already

But....its crazy.....that the US government also knew.....right? 

[RLLD 4,191]

23 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

This doesn’t even make sense. That’s why you’re crazy. HTH

I am crzy, in your opinion, because I do not follow along with your notional perceptions.  It's an immature way to disagree, but it does not dominate your behaviors the way for say MDC or others. You seem to have good character traits, but like the rest of us will give in to your lesser angels.

[iam90sbaby 2,562]

44 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Ahhh, the Sheep. DO DUMB AZZ LIBERALS EVEN THINK ANYMORE OR DO THEY JUST JUMP ON EVERY BANDWAGON?

 

 

The only people who aren't bots are the people who don't give a damn

[League Champion 1,909]

5 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

The only people who aren't bots are the people who don't give a damn

It cracks me up. Hamas is against everything liberals stand for yet here they are waiving flags. Are they really that stupid? 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

He doesn't even understand his own posts.

 

Not my fault you can’t read Jerry. 

[HellToupee 1,686]

21 hours ago, League Champion said:

Ahhh, the Sheep. DO DUMB AZZ LIBERALS EVEN THINK ANYMORE OR DO THEY JUST JUMP ON EVERY BANDWAGON?

 

 

could be squissy, imo

[HellToupee 1,686]

Carville thought he was clever giving cover to hamas supporters 

 

[Voltaire 5,280]

On 11/30/2023 at 6:55 PM, Strike said:

Is this a REAL question?  On the same day Hamas carried out another terrorist attack that killed multiple Israelis?   On the same day a Hamas leader said the following:

"The leaders of the Occupation should know, October 7th was just a rehearsal"

And you're asking how the Biden administration threw Israel under the bus? 

I might well have asked you the same question and the reason would have been that I'm really busy lately, can't follow the news properly, and didn't know fock all about what Blinken told the Israelis until I read this three days later.

 

[Voltaire 5,280]

On 11/30/2023 at 7:42 PM, IGotWorms said:

I don’t want to go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole here, but yikes  

 

Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
 

Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.

The plan also included details about the location and size of Israeli military forces, communication hubs and other sensitive information, raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence and whether there were leaks inside the Israeli security establishment.

The document circulated widely among Israeli military and intelligence leaders, but experts determined that an attack of that scale and ambition was beyond Hamas’s capabilities, according to documents and officials. It is unclear whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or other top political leaders saw the document, as well.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

When you have to always be on red alert for eighty years straight, you're no longer on red alert. Only Spinal Tap has knobs that go to eleven, the IDF is likely maxed out at ten.

[Voltaire 5,280]

On 12/1/2023 at 10:45 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Please don’t attempt to speak for me. I have no problem with Israel resuming combat at this point. 

Forgive us.

We need a gullible, liberal boogeyman who subscribes to leftwing talking point to beat like a piñata.  Your piñata is usually a great one, but you didn't hang it up. Its sitting on the floor over there; and with only a willingness to condemn Israel for not allowing Hamas to get away with using human shields to protect themselves, there's hardly any candy in it.

Now, if torridjoe were still here, I'm sure we'd be getting a full-throated "from the river to sea" defense of Hamas and condemnation of Israel piñata to smack around, but he's gone and we have a lack a consistent source of juicy leftwing insanity to take his place. Even Squistion is coming up short in this thread.

[Voltaire 5,280]

On 12/1/2023 at 11:09 AM, League Champion said:

Ahhh, the Sheep. DO DUMB AZZ LIBERALS EVEN THINK ANYMORE OR DO THEY JUST JUMP ON EVERY BANDWAGON?

 

 

From the nation to the sea, Palestinians shoot for three. 

[League Champion 1,909]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

From the nation to the sea, Palestinians shoot for three. 

Ya gotta love the Libs. The poor little things are dumb as they come. 

[HellToupee 1,686]

This needs to be dealt with
 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,585]

3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Forgive us.

We need a gullible, liberal boogeyman who subscribes to leftwing talking point to beat like a piñata.  Your piñata is usually a great one, but you didn't hang it up. Its sitting on the floor over there; and with only a willingness to condemn Israel for not allowing Hamas to get away with using human shields to protect themselves, there's hardly any candy in it.

Now, if torridjoe were still here, I'm sure we'd be getting a full-throated "from the river to sea" defense of Hamas and condemnation of Israel piñata to smack around, but he's gone and we have a lack a consistent source of juicy leftwing insanity to take his place. Even Squistion is coming up short in this thread.

No need to apologize. Anyhow I’m quite sure I’m plenty gullible and liberal enough in your eyes on most subjects to fall into your piñata category lol.

On this issue I think Israel has to try and finish what they started, but I still don’t know what that finish is.  
 

[League Champion 1,909]

 

[DonS 3,292]

Just saw this article. Love this idea.  Flush those focking rats out of their tunnels.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-constructs-large-pumps-flood-hamas-terror-tunnels-seawater-wall-street-journal

 

[RLLD 4,191]

33 minutes ago, DonS said:

Just saw this article. Love this idea.  Flush those focking rats out of their tunnels.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-constructs-large-pumps-flood-hamas-terror-tunnels-seawater-wall-street-journal

 

Yes but keep in mind, Hamas has certainly forseen this.  What they will do is force women and children into those tunnels to drown.  Its a solid strategy in terms of how do you deal with it, but they are standing off against animals....monsters....human filth.....who will happily murder their own for a political victory.

[jerryskids 6,708]

49 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yes but keep in mind, Hamas has certainly forseen this.  What they will do is force women and children into those tunnels to drown.  Its a solid strategy in terms of how do you deal with it, but they are standing off against animals....monsters....human filth.....who will happily murder their own for a political victory.

That would of course be Israel's fault.   

[edjr 6,580]

On 12/3/2023 at 7:20 AM, Voltaire said:

I might well have asked you the same question and the reason would have been that I'm really busy lately, can't follow the news properly, and didn't know fock all about what Blinken told the Israelis until I read this three days later.

 

A. Blinken?  our 16th POTUS