War in Israel

[HellToupee 749]

40 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here is what I take from reading most conservatives in this thread: you have to support everything Netanyahu and Israel do, unconditionally. You can’t offer the slightest bit of criticism, nor can you show the slightest amount of sympathy for Palestinians.

Otherwise you are 100% a Jew hater and a supporter of Hamas and terrorism. And that’s already true of Biden and most Democrats, despite their lip service to the contrary. 

By all appearances you’re not only are you a self loathing white guy , you’re also a self loathing Jew

[jerryskids 5,248]

47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here is what I take from reading most conservatives in this thread: you have to support everything Netanyahu and Israel do, unconditionally. You can’t offer the slightest bit of criticism, nor can you show the slightest amount of sympathy for Palestinians.

Otherwise you are 100% a Jew hater and a supporter of Hamas and terrorism. And that’s already true of Biden and most Democrats, despite their lip service to the contrary. 

I didn't see your response to my questioning your assertion that no civilian Palestinian deaths are defendable.  I look forward to that, before commenting on this logical fallacy of appealing to extremes.   

[Gepetto 991]

58 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here is what I take from reading most conservatives in this thread: you have to support everything Netanyahu and Israel do, unconditionally. You can’t offer the slightest bit of criticism, nor can you show the slightest amount of sympathy for Palestinians.

Otherwise you are 100% a Jew hater and a supporter of Hamas and terrorism. And that’s already true of Biden and most Democrats, despite their lip service to the contrary. 

44 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You are absolutely correct. Conservatives especially Christian conservatives LOVE Israel. "Gotta support Israel" More money for Israel! They go wild for Jews with the slightest bit of conservative values like Ben Shapiro. Focking ape sh1t. I'm not sure if they love black rappers or jews more

The real Tim and CDub just became best friends! 

 

 

 

[Mark Davis 193]

The most concerning part of all this isn't that people are speaking about things that Israel is doing wrong or could do better.  All that is fine and people can have different opinions.  What is problematic is all the morons who are chanting "From the River to the Sea" and openly supporting Hamas.  One can argue that they are too stupid to get the true meaning of that I guess but if that's the case it's even more concerning that people that clueless are still motivated to action in such a way.  We have a much stronger undercurrent of Marxism and hatred of Western culture in this country than I thought.  That to me is way more concerning long term than anything a foreign military is capable of doing to us.

[Gepetto 991]

Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, discusses a recent video that has been kicking around in the virtual universe which shows an elderly gentleman get surrounded by an angry mob of pro-Palestinian protestors who decided to start smashing his car. This leads us to one of the most common questions we get here at Washington Gun Law which is what can you do when you find you and your car surrounded by an angry mob? The answer is much more complicated than you might think so learn more and arm yourself with education today.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/minneapolis-man-cast-as-anti-palestinian-agitator-was-trying-to-get-home-when-mob-surrounded-car/

The 68-year-old Minneapolis resident says he was simply trying to take a shortcut home on Sunday when he pulled off the interstate, which often backs up at a tunnel near downtown.

But after exiting Interstate 394, he saw that traffic was backlogged around the busy intersection of Lyndale and Hennepin avenues. He said he didn’t know why.

It turns out the driver had unwittingly driven into a massive pro-Palestinian protest.

He said he asked one of the protesters, “What the [expletive] is going on here?” and the young man tried to spit on him. The driver tried to go after the man, he said, but protesters converged on him, shot what he suspects was bear spray in his face, and hit him, he said.

Scared and confused, he grabbed a knife to defend himself before fleeing the scene, he said.

In the wake of the incident, far-left activists have accused the driver of attacking peaceful protesters and trying to run them down with his car. One activist, a young city council candidate and rapper, urged his Instagram followers to “FIND THIS MAN!!” Left-wing media outlets have identified the driver as an “attacker” and a “malicious driver.”

Using video from the incident, and with the help of a Minneapolis criminal defense attorney, National Review has identified a man who claims to be the driver. He agreed to speak on the condition that his name not be released for safety reasons.

He said that when he pulled up on the scene, he had no intention of tangling with the activists, some of whom were carrying Hamas flags. He wasn’t a counter-protester. He just wanted to go home. And he said he had no intention of running anyone down with his car — no one appears to have been seriously injured during the incident, though at least one protester told a local media outlet that her foot was run over in the encounter.

“Yeah, I drove through the crowd,” the driver said, “to get the hell out of there.”

The driver believes he is the victim, though he acknowledges he may not be the most sympathetic victim — he said that as a young man he was an alcoholic and a drug addict, he was convicted of several crimes, including kidnapping and stalking, and he served time in prison. But that was more than two decades ago, he said, and he’s since turned his life around.

Before he encountered the protesters on Sunday, the man said he spent time at the Running Aces Casino north of Minneapolis before stopping by a store in the western suburbs. He was driving east on I-394 on his way home around 3 p.m. when he decided to exit the interstate to avoid traffic that often backs up in a tunnel near the heart of downtown.

When he instead encountered traffic backed up from the protest, he assumed it may be related to a Minnesota Vikings football game. The Vikings played on Monday night this week, though he said he didn’t know that at the time.

He said he saw cars being used to block a section of road near a popular art museum and sculpture garden, and he saw people on a walking bridge holding pro-Palestinian signs.

He said he had the driver’s side window down in his 10-year-old Ford and asked one of the protesters “what the [expletive] is going on here?”

“And the guy tried to spit on me,” he said.

Looking back, he recognizes that it was a “real dumb thing to do,” but his instincts told him to go after the guy and “kick his ass,” he said. He got out of his car, but the crowd forced him back in. At one point, he said, someone doused him with what he suspects was bear spray.

“My whole face was burning and my eyes were burning. It was intense. It felt like it was on fire,” he said.

When he was back in his car, he said, he grabbed a knife he had “because I didn’t know what else was going to happen.” He said someone sucker punched him through the open window. He swiped at the person with his knife. “And I hit something,” he said. He doesn’t know what.

“My face was burning up. My eyes were burning up. And at some point I got out of the car, and I’m standing outside of the car with the knife in my hand,” he said of a scene captured on a brief video. “And there was a crowd there. And I had been hit, and I had mace sprayed in my face, and I didn’t know what was happening, or how it was going to happen, but if something else was going to happen, there were going to be some consequences.”

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The protest on Sunday was organized by the Minnesota Anti-War Committee, the state’s chapter of the American Muslims for Palestine, and the University of Minnesota’s chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine, according to media reports.

 

 

 

[jonnyutah 124]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Yup.  Again it's really weird.  Like they are brainless robots

If either of you offered a reasonable thought it would be treated differently. At least by some. But instead you two chuckleheads just whine and regurg Hamas talking points. 

[The Real timschochet 3,031]

4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't see your response to my questioning your assertion that no civilian Palestinian deaths are defendable.  I look forward to that, before commenting on this logical fallacy of appealing to extremes.   

There’s really nothing to respond to. I don’t think that any innocent death anywhere at any time is defensible. War is an immoral act. That doesn’t mean it can’t be necessary- sometimes, in self defense, it absolutely is. But that doesn’t change the morality aspect. 

[Voltaire 4,571]

18 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I thought he was old, feeble, and senile?

But now he’s Dr. Evil?

No, Dr. Evil is a cool. He also doesn't run governments, he builds weapons and demands ransom cash.

[Voltaire 4,571]

8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here is what I take from reading most conservatives in this thread: you have to support everything Netanyahu and Israel do, unconditionally. You can’t offer the slightest bit of criticism, nor can you show the slightest amount of sympathy for Palestinians.

Otherwise you are 100% a Jew hater and a supporter of Hamas and terrorism. And that’s already true of Biden and most Democrats, despite their lip service to the contrary. 

 

No. You can show sympathy for the Palestinian civilians, they're going through hell right now. If you send in humanitarian assistance, do so knowing that Hamas and those connected to Hamas will eat and take what they want/need first. Maybe it's worth doing anyways, because after they've eaten drank, patched themselves up, the rest would presumably get distributed.

. Also, I'm willing to leave a door open for when/if Israel and Netanyahu actually do something wrong to criticize them. It's just at this point, I see no need to second guess them. They show restraint, they warn civilians to leave, seems to me they're doing what they have to do. 

Get back to me when their behavior crosses a line.

Hamas deliberately uses their people as human shields building their headquarters and supply depots under schools and hospitals and telling families not to move or flee areas the Israelis intend to bomb. I see Hamas as responsible for the death of both Israeli and Palestinian civilians, so I'm not exactly upset with the Israelis who go to some lengths not to harm them.

[Voltaire 4,571]

9 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

People on this board have a bad habit of seeing stuff online and then projecting that behavior to people here.  It's really weird.

I gave you my first like in a very long time for this post.

Other than being normal and not weird, It's a great observation and very true. It cuts both ways and pretty much all of us are guilty of it, including me, but you're a big participant too. 

It occurs to me that people know more about the bullsh*t the other side is doing than the bullsh^t their own side is doing. Look at how well-versed Blue Horseshoe and League Champion being on the trannny stuff. If you look in the mirror though, you claim to not know fock all about the World Economic Forum and worms claims to know fock all about Ibrahim X. Kendi, but the pair of you are the forum's top two experts on Q-Anon nonsense.

 

[listen2me 23 1,551]

10 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Would you just shut the fock up already you sniveling little douche.

No one here said that Jewish people should be killed and tortured.  For focks sake.

And yes, the basic rule is if youre an innocent kid you're not responsible for who your govt kills.  Are your kids responsible for bidens war in Ukraine?  Shut up.

So what exactly are fake centrists trying to argue here?  I have read pages of this thread and have no idea what you people are arguing.   Just fence sitting and pointing fingers?  

[Voltaire 4,571]

On 11/8/2023 at 3:06 PM, HellToupee said:

The MSM is the enemy of the people 

 

Whenever you see a journalist based in Gaza, you can presume you're getting a pro-Hamas journalist, just like if you get a journalist from the New York Times, you can presume you're getting a pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ journalist.

You hope the facts are accurate, and almost all of the time they are, but you also have to keep in mind that they are presented comes with a spin and through a filter. 

[League Champion 1,593]

 

[GutterBoy 2,281]

12 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So what exactly are fake centrists trying to argue here?  I have read pages of this thread and have no idea what you people are arguing.   Just fence sitting and pointing fingers?  

I'm not going to recap every point made in a 92 page thread for you, but we're all not very far apart here.

Points we agree on:

- Hamas is a terrorist org

- The Hamas attack was barbaric and deserves a response by Israel.

Everything else gets muddy, like if kids living in Gaza deserve to die, if we should start WW3 over this, etc.

[GutterBoy 2,281]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Whenever you see a journalist based in Gaza, you can presume you're getting a pro-Hamas journalist, just like if you get a journalist from the New York Times, you can presume you're getting a pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ journalist.

You hope the facts are accurate, and almost all of the time they are, but you also have to keep in mind that they are presented comes with a spin and through a filter. 

FYI, this honest reporting is Israel based, which again is still questionable as Israeli journalists have been known to spread fake news too, like the beheading of babies during this attack.

Reuters came about and sternly denied that they had journalists in Gaza that participated.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,773]

Gutterboy and Real Tim have the same political  views as kids in college. 

[listen2me 23 1,551]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I'm not going to recap every point made in a 92 page thread for you, but we're all not very far apart here.

Points we agree on:

- Hamas is a terrorist org

- The Hamas attack was barbaric and deserves a response by Israel.

Everything else gets muddy, like if kids living in Gaza deserve to die, if we should start WW3 over this, etc.

Thats a lot of pages just for everyone to basically agree with each other.   

[listen2me 23 1,551]

8 minutes ago, League Champion said:

 

None.  Thats not the narrative they want to put out there.  Easy examples of how MSM works today.  

[GutterBoy 2,281]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutterboy and Real Tim have the same political  views as kids in college. 

Uneducated old man disparaging college, real shocker.

[League Champion 1,593]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Uneducated old man disparaging college, real shocker.

Liberal Art Degrees, no jobs and mass debt. What's not to like? 

[TimHauck 1,829]

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Thats a lot of pages just for everyone to basically agree with each other.   

I think Real Tim wants a ceasefire

[GutterBoy 2,281]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Thats a lot of pages just for everyone to basically agree with each other.   

You know how this board works.  You get trolls like tardcore that come in and make statements like "Gutterboy thinks Hamas is awesome" and then it goes off on a slap fight, or ksb posting his social media feed and accusing us of supporting what he sees which then ends in him accusing us of having child porn when proven wrong.

First day here?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,773]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Uneducated old man disparaging college, real shocker.

You were conservative until your kids went to college. Now you hate the police. Lol. 

[GutterBoy 2,281]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You were conservative until your kids went to college. Now you hate the police. Lol. 

My junior in college told me last weekend she's gonna vote for trump.

[Voltaire 4,571]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Uneducated old man disparaging college, real shocker.

He's disparaging the anti-American, anti-West, pro-criminal, pro-terrorist sentiment in college students because decent people got complacent and hadn't noticed until recently that schools promote the same rhetoric that comes from you and Tim and likely got fed into you and Tim once upon a time as students yourselves.

[League Champion 1,593]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

My junior in college told me last weekend she's gonna vote for trump.

Because she's smart. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,773]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

My junior in college told me last weekend she's gonna vote for trump.

Why? 

[GutterBoy 2,281]

8 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

He's disparaging the anti-American, anti-West, pro-criminal, pro-terrorist sentiment in college students because decent people got complacent and hadn't noticed until recently that schools promote the same rhetoric that comes from you and Tim and likely got fed into you and Tim once upon a time as students yourselves.

Once again, this is people seeing things on social media and thinking it reflects on everyone.  Neither of my kids in college have been taught anything anti-american.  I surely didn't when I was in college 30 years ago either.

[GutterBoy 2,281]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why? 

Because she spends too much time on tik Tok.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,773]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Because she spends too much time on tik Tok.

That’s interesting. What is being said on tik tok that’s leading her to go for Trump? 

[Voltaire 4,571]

44 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

FYI, this honest reporting is Israel based, which again is still questionable as Israeli journalists have been known to spread fake news too, like the beheading of babies during this attack.

Reuters came about and sternly denied that they had journalists in Gaza that participated.

 

Regarding the coverage we've seen of the atrocities committed in Israel on the day, you believe that they were exaggerated. That's a rough position to take.

It occurs to me that in a different time and place, you would be Alex Jones which would explain why you're reaping Alex Jones type blowback.

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I don't know about Reuters, my understanding is that a lot of these guys are independent contractors. It's not my scandal though. If a news agency has a presence in Gaza, I know and accept that the journalists they hire are either pro-Hamas or have to pretend to be in order to maintain a pulse. You either hire them anyway because it's newsworthy place and you want feet on the ground there, or you do without a presence in Gaza. Are they doing a bad job, no, they're doing the job we expect, which is Palestinian sympathetic and Hamas sympathetic.

I also understand full well why partisan pro-Hamas journalists wouldn't tip off Israel of an impending attack. Getting back to the different time and place theme, were I a journalist with a scoop about the D-Day invasion, I wouldn't have reported it to my bosses either until after it starts.

[TimHauck 1,829]

18 hours ago, Strike said:

Awesome.  GO Israel!!! 

I’m OK with this if it’s only referring to those that had prior knowledge the attack was going to happen.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,773]

They didn’t behead the babies. They just killed them. Move along. 

[listen2me 23 1,551]

I remember a certain time frame, lets say 4 years long where things were much more calm in this chaotic region.  Oh and Russia sat fairly content.  

[GutterBoy 2,281]

1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

 

Regarding the coverage we've seen of the atrocities committed in Israel on the day, you believe that they were exaggerated. That's a rough position to take.

It occurs to me that in a different time and place, you would be Alex Jones which would explain why you're reaping Alex Jones type blowback.

Come on man, really?  Comparing me to Alex Jones?  The guy that denied that the Sandy Hook shootings were real?  You're better than this.

As far as saying that Hamas never beheaded babies is a rough position to take, it's not, because it's the truth.  The truth is always the correct position, and it's what we should all strive for.  Even Tardcore is willing to admit that was fake.

[The Real timschochet 3,031]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I think Real Tim wants a ceasefire

I don’t. Not yet. I was opposed to how Israel did this (large scale invasion and bombing rather than precision assassinations) but now that it’s begun they need to finish it. But they need to finish it ASAP and they’d better have a plan in place for what happens next. 

[GobbleDog 822]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

 they’d better have a plan in place for what happens next. 

That's long-term. Most likely Israel occupation until new Palestinian authority.

The big short-term question I want to know  - What the hell is Israel planning to do after they finish in northern Gaza? There's Hamas fighters and tunnels in southern Gaza too. Will armies head south? Do they tell the population to turn around and "go north"? To an area that's now a wasteland.?. What's the plan here?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,773]

49 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Come on man, really?  Comparing me to Alex Jones?  The guy that denied that the Sandy Hook shootings were real?  You're better than this.

As far as saying that Hamas never beheaded babies is a rough position to take, it's not, because it's the truth.  The truth is always the correct position, and it's what we should all strive for.  Even Tardcore is willing to admit that was fake.

Well, Biden said he saw the beheaded babies. And a senior Israeli police official said he saw it too. I’d say it’s still possible, but not completely verified yet. 

[Voltaire 4,571]

49 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Come on man, really?  Comparing me to Alex Jones?  The guy that denied that the Sandy Hook shootings were real?  You're better than this.

As far as saying that Hamas never beheaded babies is a rough position to take, it's not, because it's the truth.  The truth is always the correct position, and it's what we should all strive for.  Even Tardcore is willing to admit that was fake.

The difference between denying the existence of dead babies at Kfer Aza and at Sandy Hook is maybe lost on people.

[GutterBoy 2,281]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The difference between denying the existence of dead babies at Kfer Aza and at Sandy Hook is maybe lost on people.

OK, so here you go again, I'm not denying dead babies.  I'm denying beheaded babies.  There is no evidence of beheaded babies.

Stop trying to make dumb comparisons.  Be better.