Mass Shootings Maine

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,025]

Just now, GobbleDog said:

Ban commercial firearm sales. Keep and bear whatever you got. Go buy as many as you want on the private market, but no new guns. Twenty, thirty years down the line... gun values skyrocket and slowly get removed from circulation through gun collectors purchases, government buy-backs, time itself takes care of some. The first to sell - the poor, the one's committing most gun violence anyway. Don't even have to amend the Constitution.

It's a beautiful plan. But it's politically unrealistic. Instead the US will take 100+ years of baby steps with do-nothing laws until they finally ban them. Gonna be a lot of carnage until then. 

You know what causes even more carnage? When a government turns itself on a population that they disarmed. Go f*** yourself.

[GobbleDog 991]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

We have gun control.  You're advocating for MORE gun control.  People such as myself are simply asking for proof it would make a difference.  Because every time you all advocate for things that wouldn't have prevented any of these incidents.  Tim is up there asking to close the "gun show loophole."  But for 10 years I've been asking him for any evidence that anyone who used that loophole had ever committed a crime with the gun they purchased.  Guess how many cases he's shown me?  ZERO.  That doesn't fly.

Fine, "is there ANY SCENARIO in which you'd favor TOTAL gun control?" I already know your answer - no.

Don't feel bad, every gun righter "thinks" that way.

[Engorgeous George 2,276]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How is this guy still at large?

I don't know about Maine, but a guy, out in the woods with a rifle during hunting season in Wisconsin would not raise many red flags.  If the weather remains mild and he is competent he does not have to come up for air.  If the weather turns I suspect there are plenty of seasonal homes, currently unoccupied, from which he could get shelter and supplies.  Pretty easy to hid out for a time in wooded, rural or wild America.  I doubt he last much longer, but who knows.  I am most familiar with wisconsin and could go to ground there indefinitely.

 

I am nearly as familiar with Colorado and Wyoming and could evade capture for quite some in those locals.  Hell, even in wooded areas I am not familiar with if they had varied topographjy and lakes and rivers I could do quite nicely.  Hard winter could get a bit bleak, but otherwise I would fare fine and be tough to find.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

8 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

"Is there any scenario in which you'd favor gun control?"

Yup.  The day when Leftist, big-Government, anti-freedom, tyrannical pukes like you disappear from this country.

[GobbleDog 991]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You know what causes even more carnage? When a government turns itself on a population that they disarmed. Go f*** yourself.

Why is it always the gun-righers who take the debate to a personal level? I was just discussing it, but I should go f*** myself for even disagreeing.

Interestingly, all other first world countries who have strict gun laws - Australia, France, Japan, UK, Spain, etc. None of those governments have "turned itself on the population."  ???  How could that be?

Ya need a better argument. And try to keep it civil, kid.

[easilyscan 911]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The reasons that conservatives favor voter IDs is to reduce minority voting.

Why would voter ID requirements reduce minority voting ?

Are minorities too stupid, lazy, can't find transportation to get to the local licensing office, can't afford the average of $20 for a state issued ID, etc

Am I missing something ?

Would love to hear (specific reasons) why you're dead set against voter ID requirements. 

 

 

[Strike 5,404]

10 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Ban commercial firearm sales.

 

You say you want intelligent discussion.  You should know this is a non-starter even if 99.9% of Americans agreed with it.  Because one person sues and it's immediately declared unconstitutional.  So why are you even bringing it to the table?  IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.  Don't waste our time.

[Strike 5,404]

10 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Fine, "is there ANY SCENARIO in which you'd favor TOTAL gun control?" I already know your answer - no.

Don't feel bad, every gun righter "thinks" that way.

I don't even know what you mean by "TOTAL gun control."  If it has to do with banning sales/etc, as I just mentioned, that would never pass constitutional review.

[The Real timschochet 6,610]

41 minutes ago, Strike said:

If voting issues don't involve public safety, why were 1000's of people indicted over Jan 6th?  Because if those people had faith in our election system they never would have approached the capitol.   So yeah, voting issues do involve public safety.  As far as there never being enough voter fraud to make a difference, I'll make you a bet.  I can PROVE an election was stolen via voter fraud.  If I do, you leave this bored forever.  Ok?

As far as your assertion that the purpose of voter ID laws is to reduce minority voting, again, you're wrong.  The Dems tried to get the Georgia voter ID laws that were passed after the least presidential election overturned but couldn't.  The result?  More AA voters than ever and polling done by UGA showed voters overwhelmingly were happy with their voting experience.  In fact, AA's had a better experience than white people according to that poll.  So, as usual, data and evidence shows you're wrong.

I notice that your proposed wagers always involve me leaving the board forever. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

10 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Interestingly, all other first world countries who have strict gun laws - Australia, France, Japan, UK, Spain, etc. None of those governments have "turned itself on the population."  ???  How could that be?

Because none of those countries are as politically polarized as the USA is.  And you side is almost exclusively to be blame for this recent phenomenon, with your warped but highly effective execution of identity politics.  Congrats.  You got what you asked for.  Americans hate each other and there is zero trust that big issues can be tackled through good-faith bargaining.

[HellToupee 1,701]

4 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

Why would voter ID requirements reduce minority voting ?

Are minorities too stupid, lazy, can't find transportation to get to the local licensing office, can't afford the average of $20 for a state issued ID, etc

Am I missing something ?

Would love to hear why you're dead set against voter ID requirements. 

 

 

It’s his covert dog whistle. We all know what he’s trying to say. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I notice that your proposed wagers always involve me leaving the board forever. 

I notice you didn’t take the bet.

[The Real timschochet 6,610]

Just now, Patented Phil said:

Because none of those countries are as politically polarized as the USA is.  And you side is almost exclusively to be blame for this recent phenomenon,  with your warped but highly effective execution of identity politics.  Congrats.  You got what you asked for.

Are you really claiming that the high levels of gun violence in the USA (as compared to other countries mentioned) is due to identity politics? 

[Strike 5,404]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I notice that your proposed wagers always involve me leaving the board forever. 

Yep.  It's the only thing that will make it worth my while to go find the links I posted years ago at FBG's that apparently you didn't read or you'd know that election fraud has absolutely altered elections.  So, you gonna take my bet or do you not stand behind your own statements? 

[Strike 5,404]

Just now, Patented Phil said:

I notice you didn’t take the bet.

He never does.  It's one of the ways I know he doesn't actually research the topics he so wants to talk about.  He just makes sh*t up as he goes along, or references his "black" or "Muslim" friends as proof of his stance.

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32 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Do you even know the difference between theses and any other rifle? 

Yes

[The Real timschochet 6,610]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

It’s his covert dog whistle. We all know what he’s trying to say. 

I always say everything straight out. No dog whistles. No covert. The reason conservatives support voter ID laws is to shrink minority voting. 

[The Real timschochet 6,610]

3 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I notice you didn’t take the bet.

Strike is usually pretty good about making his point. I normally don’t share his overall conclusions but I rarely question his facts. 

[The Real timschochet 6,610]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yep.  It's the only thing that will make it worth my while to go find the links I posted years ago at FBG's that apparently you didn't read or you'd know that election fraud has absolutely altered elections.  So, you gonna take my bet or do you not stand behind your own statements? 

Election fraud that would have been solved by voter ID laws? I strongly doubt that. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you really claiming that the high levels of gun violence in the USA (as compared to other countries mentioned) is due to identity politics? 

Nope.  Not what I said.  At all.

[The Real timschochet 6,610]

1 minute ago, Patented Phil said:

Nope.  Not what I said.  At all.

Then I misunderstood you. What were you trying to say? 

[HellToupee 1,701]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I always say everything straight out. No dog whistles. No covert. The reason conservatives support voter ID laws is to shrink minority voting. 

How would that happen

@easilyscan asked good Qs here

 

[Engorgeous George 2,276]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I always say everything straight out. No dog whistles. No covert. The reason conservatives support voter ID laws is to shrink minority voting. 

Not to ensure confidence in the process and the outcome?

[Hawkeye21 2,391]

26 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I don't know about Maine, but a guy, out in the woods with a rifle during hunting season in Wisconsin would not raise many red flags.  If the weather remains mild and he is competent he does not have to come up for air.  If the weather turns I suspect there are plenty of seasonal homes, currently unoccupied, from which he could get shelter and supplies.  Pretty easy to hid out for a time in wooded, rural or wild America.  I doubt he last much longer, but who knows.  I am most familiar with wisconsin and could go to ground there indefinitely.

 

I am nearly as familiar with Colorado and Woming and could evade capture for quite some in those locals.  Hell, even in wooded areas I am not familiar with if they had varied topographjy and lakews and rivers I could do quite nicely.  Hard winter could get a bit bleak, but otherwise I would fare fine and be tough to find.

I didn't word it very well.  I understand how easy it can be to hide in rural areas.  I was more surprised that he was in a town with a decent amount of people and was able to travel to two locations, shoot them up and then get away.  It's especially odd in an area that allows people to carry.  Usually these situations end with a shootout or something like that.

[GobbleDog 991]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't even know what you mean by "TOTAL gun control."  If it has to do with banning sales/etc, as I just mentioned, that would never pass constitutional review.

It was hypothetical.  Ya like to dance. 

[Engorgeous George 2,276]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn't word it very well.  I understand how easy it can be to hide in rural areas.  I was more surprised that he was in a town with a decent amount of people and was able to travel to two locations, shoot them up and then get away.  It's especially odd in an area that allows people to carry.  Usually these situations end with a shootout or something like that.

I did find that unusual.  So unusual in fact that I at first was contemplating a two shooter scenario as were many I believe.

[Engorgeous George 2,276]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn't word it very well.  I understand how easy it can be to hide in rural areas.  I was more surprised that he was in a town with a decent amount of people and was able to travel to two locations, shoot them up and then get away.  It's especially odd in an area that allows people to carry.  Usually these situations end with a shootout or something like that.

Imagine if he preplaned an escape with prepositioned supplies.  He is apparently somewhat trained so he might have considred an exit strategy.  Maybe he is crazy but not stupid.

[GobbleDog 991]

24 minutes ago, Strike said:

You say you want intelligent discussion.  You should know this is a non-starter even if 99.9% of Americans agreed with it.  Because one person sues and it's immediately declared unconstitutional.  So why are you even bringing it to the table?  IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.  Don't waste our time.

I mention it because it's the only solution. But you're right, it's politically unrealistic and won't happen. Sorry for wasting everyone's time.

If ya have the time, I'd love to hear your solution.  Whatcha got?  Even if it's politically unrealistic. I don't care, let's hear it. How could/should the U.S. get gun violence rates consistent with other first world countries?  Or do we just have to live with carnage?

[Hawkeye21 2,391]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Imagine if he preplaned an escape with prepositioned supplies.  He is apparently somewhat trained so he might have considred an exit strategy.  Maybe he is crazy but not stupid.

Mentally unstable people with military or survival training are a big concern.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,248]

Black people have no problem getting ID.  If real Tim and the other woketards like the pigeon guy actually knew any black people they would know this.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Imagine if he preplaned an escape with prepositioned supplies.  He is apparently somewhat trained so he might have considred an exit strategy.  Maybe he is crazy but not stupid.

Usually these people go into the murder spree ready to die.  For this guy to pick two targets and the plan an escape, I wonder what the logic was behind the targets?  Can't be just random.

[Engorgeous George 2,276]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Mentally unstable people with military or survival training are a big concern.

Imagine upstate Minnesota with all of those fish houses full of resources just waiting for the ice.  The "shoping" in them would keep a fella going for quite some time.  I saw a picture of this guy with a northern so he at least has fished some.

[TimHauck 2,724]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

We already have background checks.  And, as one of your lib buddies posted up above, most incidents occur with legally obtained firearms.  

Uh, pretty sure the argument behind more strict background checks is that some of those legally obtained firearms would not be legal.

[Engorgeous George 2,276]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Usually these people go into the murder spree ready to die.  For this guy to pick two targets and the plan an escape, I wonder what the logic was behind the targets?  Can't be just random.

Maybe he was tossed from his pool league and his bowling league and jsut snapped.  Or maybe he wanted some slow, large, overweight targets.  He did not target a pilates class, he targeted bowlers and pool players.  It would be pretty tough to miss your average bowler.

[Hawkeye21 2,391]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

Imagine upstate Minnesota with all of those fish houses full of resources just waiting for the ice.  The "shoping" in them would keep a fella going for quite some time.  I saw a picture of this guy with a northern so he at least has fished some.

It would be easy to hide and survive there with any outdoorsman skills.

[Engorgeous George 2,276]

His major disadvantage is he has to sleep, and law enforcement works shifts right around the clock.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,800]

He’ll wash up soon enough.  Probably wearing a bone dry MAGA hat.  

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34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I always say everything straight out. No dog whistles. No covert. The reason conservatives support voter ID laws is to shrink minority voting. 

And the reason liberals are are against it is is to compromise the integrity of the process. 

[HellToupee 1,701]

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