My 2023 NFL Power Rankings Week 9

[Voltaire 5,202]

This is just my opinion. Feel free to post your own or tell me how stupid my choices are.

 

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32) Green Bay Packers you have to see it to believe it. Every time I tune in, this team's first half is a toxic dumpster fire disaster beyond comprehension

31) Carolina Panthers

30) Chicago Bears

29) New England Patriots

28) Arizona Cardinals Only one win but it was a solid one and I respect how they hang tough with good teams

27) New York Giants Their record sucks and they've had some awful losses but their schedule has been brutal

26) Indianapolis Colts

25) Tennessee Titans

24) Las Vegas Raiders

23) Houston Texans

22) Denver Broncos (probably too high but not after what I just saw)

21) Minnesota Vikings (having lost Cousins, I don't know what to do with them. This looks good for now.)

(these three NFC South teams make a big 18-20 clusterfock)

20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers

19) Atlanta Falcons  

18) New Orleans Saints

----12-17 are fully capable of biting anybody in the ass at any time

17) Los Angeles Rams 

16) Washington REDSKINS

15) Los Angeles Chargers

*(Minnesota + Kirk Cousins would have gone here) 

14) Pittsburgh Steelers

13) New York Jets

12) Cleveland Browns

----top eleven are the contenders---

11) Buffalo Bills

10) Dallas Cowboys

9) San Francisco 49ers (I want to keep them top 5, but Cincinatti is clearly better than they are and after three losses, what can I do with them?)

8 ) Cincinatti Bengals

7) Detroit Lions

6) Miami Dolphins

5) Seattle Seahawks

4) Kansas City Chiefs 

3) Jacksonville Jaguars 

2) Philadelphia Eagles

1) Baltimore Ravens

[iam90sbaby 2,490]

Ravens?

[cmh6476 1,010]

meh list is meh

[posty 2,612]

4 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

meh list is meh

You have those red blinders on...  Of course you aren't going to like the list...  If Volty put the Chiefs first, you would have said the list is great...

[cmh6476 1,010]

1 hour ago, posty said:

You have those red blinders on...  Of course you aren't going to like the list...  If Volty put the Chiefs first, you would have said the list is great...

I'm not saying meh because the Chiefs aren't 1.  It's not that anybody at this point really shows they deserve to be listed higher than anyone else, really.  You'd almost be better off tiering teams at this point. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,943]

Miami isn’t for real. Bully team, glass jaw. Have one win against a decent team so far. 

[avoiding injuries 1,511]

If you don’t like the list, post your own. 
 

Im too lazy analyze every team, but as a Redskins fan they should never be above 25, regardless of what year it is, what their record is or how far into the season it is. 25 tops, no matter what. 

[edjr 6,578]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Miami isn’t for real. Bully team, glass jaw. Have one win against a decent team so far. 

Sounds like the Cowboys and a lot of other teams. The NFL as a whole is mediocore. 

[MDC 7,133]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

Sounds like the Cowboys and a lot of other teams. The NFL as a whole is mediocore. 

I hate to say it but the Cowboys may be the best team in the league. 

[edjr 6,578]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I hate to say it but the Cowboys may be the best team in the league. 

Manhandled by SF.  Dak can't/won't ever win a big game. Speaking of mediocore. 

[Voltaire 5,202]

1 hour ago, cmh6476 said:

I'm not saying meh because the Chiefs aren't 1.  It's not that anybody at this point really shows they deserve to be listed higher than anyone else, really.  You'd almost be better off tiering teams at this point. 

I did that too. I have a top 11 contenders, then a group at 12-17, then 3/4 of the NFC South, then everybody else.

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

* Seattle is way too high. Could have easily lost to Cleveland at home.  Beat the likes of the Panthers, Giants and Cardinals  while losing to the Rams and Bengals. The only good win they have to hang their hat on is overtime at Detroit. 

 

i'd move them down to 11 but as part of the tier below. 

[Voltaire 5,202]

3 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

Ravens?

The defense is first rate and Lamar is lights out when healthy - which he is right now. 

[MDC 7,133]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

Manhandled by SF.  Dak can't/won't ever win a big game. Speaking of mediocore. 

I hope you’re right. When I look at the NFL landscape though I don’t know who’s any better. Niners have looked bad losing 3 straight, Bills are inconsistent, Chiefs are mortal, Eagles haven’t played anyone etc.

[MDC 7,133]

8 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

* Seattle is way too high. Could have easily lost to Cleveland at home.  Beat the likes of the Panthers, Giants and Cardinals  while losing to the Rams and Bengals. The only good win they have to hang their hat on is overtime at Detroit. 

 

i'd move them down to 11 but as part of the tier below. 

I agree with WW. I also think Jags at 3 is a stretch. 

[Voltaire 5,202]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I hate to say it but the Cowboys may be the best team in the league. 

Cowboys will get a big jump if they can off Philly this week.

[Voltaire 5,202]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Eagles haven’t played anyone etc.

Taking out Miami was impressive. These next five weeks or so for Philly will be quite a brawl.

[BeachGuy23 642]

Ravens #1 seems correct. 

[MDC 7,133]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Taking out Miami was impressive. These next five weeks or so for Philly will be quite a brawl.

Eagles will be very fortunate to go 3-2 over that stretch. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Jax, Seattle, Baltimore, all too high imo 

[iam90sbaby 2,490]

32 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The defense is first rate and Lamar is lights out when healthy - which he is right now. 

They get rolled by all the major players in the AFC come playoff time 

[Cruzer 1,995]

6 hours ago, MDC said:

I hate to say it but the Cowboys may be the best team in the league. 

No, not hardly. 

Sure we're great against the spares of the league, but when it really matters, we fall on our face. SF exposed our weaknesses; I'm afraid PHI will do much the same. 

[MDC 7,133]

6 hours ago, Cruzer said:

No, not hardly. 

Sure we're great against the spares of the league, but when it really matters, we fall on our face. SF exposed our weaknesses; I'm afraid PHI will do much the same. 

SF just lost 3 straight and the Eagles have limped past some bad teams. There are 7-8 teams that could feasibly win a SB this year and Dallas seems to be one of them. I really hope I’m wrong.

[bostonlager 2,664]

Now that Joe Burrow has a healthy leg, its the Bengals and everyone else. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

17 hours ago, Voltaire said:

This is just my opinion. Feel free to post your own or tell me how stupid my choices are.

 

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32) Green Bay Packers you have to see it to believe it. Every time I tune in, this team's first half is a toxic dumpster fire disaster beyond comprehension

31) Carolina Panthers

30) Chicago Bears

29) New England Patriots

28) Arizona Cardinals Only one win but it was a solid one and I respect how they hang tough with good teams

27) New York Giants Their record sucks and they've had some awful losses but their schedule has been brutal

26) Indianapolis Colts

25) Tennessee Titans

24) Las Vegas Raiders

23) Houston Texans

22) Denver Broncos (probably too high but not after what I just saw)

21) Minnesota Vikings (having lost Cousins, I don't know what to do with them. This looks good for now.)

(these three NFC South teams make a big 18-20 clusterfock)

20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers

19) Atlanta Falcons  

18) New Orleans Saints

----12-17 are fully capable of biting anybody in the ass at any time

17) Los Angeles Rams 

16) Washington REDSKINS

15) Los Angeles Chargers

*(Minnesota + Kirk Cousins would have gone here) 

14) Pittsburgh Steelers

13) New York Jets

12) Cleveland Browns

----top eleven are the contenders---

11) Buffalo Bills

10) Dallas Cowboys

9) San Francisco 49ers (I want to keep them top 5, but Cincinatti is clearly better than they are and after three losses, what can I do with them?)

8 ) Cincinatti Bengals

7) Detroit Lions

6) Miami Dolphins

5) Seattle Seahawks

4) Kansas City Chiefs 

3) Jacksonville Jaguars 

2) Philadelphia Eagles

1) Baltimore Ravens

You have 3 teams in the top 5 that don't really even belong in the top 10.  

[Cruzer 1,995]

5 hours ago, MDC said:

SF just lost 3 straight and the Eagles have limped past some bad teams. There are 7-8 teams that could feasibly win a SB this year and Dallas seems to be one of them. I really hope I’m wrong.

Two things that kill us, time and time again - teams that can run the ball and slippery running qbs……PHI has both. And for whatever reason, if we don’t get to the qb, wrs seem to run wild ass open and free across the middle on crossing patterns, I look for AJ Brown to have a huge game. 

[MDC 7,133]

7 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Two things that kill us, time and time again - teams that can run the ball and slippery running qbs……PHI has both. And for whatever reason, if we don’t get to the qb, wrs seem to run wild ass open and free across the middle on crossing patterns, I look for AJ Brown to have a huge game. 

I’m also not feeling terribly confident. I guess we’ll see. 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Not sure if Packers are the worst.  But it is fair.  They are definitely among the worst.   They are so messed up.  More blocking clips where they look like they are blacked out drunk.  What a complete mess thr GM created.   Now we get to see if Lafleuis a fraud or not.   

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

59 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

 Now we get to see if Lafleuis a fraud or not.   

I think there are very few really good coaches in the NFL. Time and time again we see HCs and OCs get major credit for succeeding with Hall of Fame QBs leading their teams. 

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You have 3 teams in the top 5 that don't really even belong in the top 10.  

who would you be replacing them with?  I would move Seattle out of the top 10 and Buffalo moves up but you want 2 more out of his top 10 and replaced with who? Cleveland?

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

18 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

who would you be replacing them with?  I would move Seattle out of the top 10 and Buffalo moves up but you want 2 more out of his top 10 and replaced with who? Cleveland?

To be fair, I don't do "weekly" rankings.  Just because a team is hot or cold in a short window, doesn't mean they actually all that good or great... bad or terrible.  I rank teams based on their potential to win the Super Bowl.  So my top 10 are...

1. KC
2. Cincy
3. Philly
4. San Fran
5. Buffalo
6. Detroit
7. Miami
8. Dallas
9. Chargers
10. NY Jets

Baltimore, Seattle, and Jacksonville are replaced with Buffalo, NY Jets, and Chargers.  If Cousins didn't get hurt, I'd have them in the top 10.  Their last 9 games are very favorable.  I'd figure a split with Detroit and loss to Cincy, but the other 6 should be wins (with Cousins), now?  

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

To be fair, I don't do "weekly" rankings.  Just because a team is hot or cold in a short window, doesn't mean they actually all that good or great... bad or terrible.  I rank teams based on their potential to win the Super Bowl.  So my top 10 are...

1. KC
2. Cincy
3. Philly
4. San Fran
5. Buffalo
6. Detroit
7. Miami
8. Dallas
9. Chargers
10. NY Jets

Baltimore, Seattle, and Jacksonville are replaced with Buffalo, NY Jets, and Chargers.  If Cousins didn't get hurt, I'd have them in the top 10.  Their last 9 games are very favorable.  I'd figure a split with Detroit and loss to Cincy, but the other 6 should be wins (with Cousins), now?  

I was just curious. I don't care about weekly rankings in any format. I'd probably have the same top 10 as voltaire minus seattle and plus buffalo. I don't agree with the order, but probably with the tier. 

I think if I were basing on potential to win the super bowl, I would also factor in some other things like playoff experience, coaching, etc and probably a little less emphasis on what I think might be a favorable schedule. Jacksonville, for example, would make my top 10 because of the experience gained last year, Doug Pederson and what I feel is a very solid team regardless. Chargers are annual underachievers... and as much as I love our defense, I could take or leave Saleh as HC and would not have the Jets in my top 10. I am even someone who has been happy with Zach Wilson. I think he's made some big steps mentally (maturity wise and decision making) and embraced his expected role. He got thrust into a tough spot and has responded reasonably well given that the plan was to push the reset button and give him a chance to sit and learn. 

 

if I had to

1. KC
2. Cincy
3. San Fran
4. Philly
5. Buffalo
6. Jacksonville
7. Detroit
8. Miami
9. Baltimore
10. Dallas

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I was just curious. I don't care about weekly rankings in any format. I'd probably have the same top 10 as voltaire minus seattle and plus buffalo. I don't agree with the order, but probably with the tier. 

I think if I were basing on potential to win the super bowl, I would also factor in some other things like playoff experience, coaching, etc and probably a little less emphasis on what I think might be a favorable schedule. Jacksonville, for example, would make my top 10 because of the experience gained last year, Doug Pederson and what I feel is a very solid team regardless. Chargers are annual underachievers... and as much as I love our defense, I could take or leave Saleh as HC and would not have the Jets in my top 10. I am even someone who has been happy with Zach Wilson. I think he's made some big steps mentally (maturity wise and decision making) and embraced his expected role. He got thrust into a tough spot and has responded reasonably well given that the plan was to push the reset button and give him a chance to sit and learn. 

 

if I had to

1. KC
2. Cincy
3. San Fran
4. Philly
5. Buffalo
6. Jacksonville
7. Detroit
8. Miami
9. Baltimore
10. Dallas

That's cool.  I could see not having the Jets in there because of Wilson, but I think their defense can play at a championship level.  They have a stud WR in G. Wilson and a stud RB in Hall.  If Wilson doesn't fock it up, they could contend.  Lamar is a run-first QB.  If he's not, he's not that good as a QB.  I don't think they have the roster/defense to compete in the playoffs to be a Super Bowl contender.  I don't see Jacksonville as that either.  Lawrence is quite overrated.  He plays in a terrible division and has a soft schedule.  No doubt they make the playoffs, but their time there will be short lived.

If you'd want to put Baltimore or Jacksonville over the Chargers, I wouldn't argue.  I do think the rosters of the 3 teams support the Chargers, but coaching definitely favors Baltimore and Jacksonville.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

18 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I was just curious. I don't care about weekly rankings in any format. I'd probably have the same top 10 as voltaire minus seattle and plus buffalo. I don't agree with the order, but probably with the tier. 

I think if I were basing on potential to win the super bowl, I would also factor in some other things like playoff experience, coaching, etc and probably a little less emphasis on what I think might be a favorable schedule. Jacksonville, for example, would make my top 10 because of the experience gained last year, Doug Pederson and what I feel is a very solid team regardless. Chargers are annual underachievers... and as much as I love our defense, I could take or leave Saleh as HC and would not have the Jets in my top 10. I am even someone who has been happy with Zach Wilson. I think he's made some big steps mentally (maturity wise and decision making) and embraced his expected role. He got thrust into a tough spot and has responded reasonably well given that the plan was to push the reset button and give him a chance to sit and learn. 

 

if I had to

1. KC
2. Cincy
3. San Fran
4. Philly
5. Buffalo
6. Jacksonville
7. Detroit
8. Miami
9. Baltimore
10. Dallas

I would put Philly higher (2 or 3) and Jacksonville after Detroit and Miami (I’d probably flip Detroit and Miami as well, but that’s a quibble).

It’s possible I would put Miami ahead of Buffalo but that would be bold given relative playoff experience 

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

That's cool.  I could see not having the Jets in there because of Wilson, but I think their defense can play at a championship level.  They have a stud WR in G. Wilson and a stud RB in Hall.  If Wilson doesn't fock it up, they could contend.  Lamar is a run-first QB.  If he's not, he's not that good as a QB.  I don't think they have the roster/defense to compete in the playoffs to be a Super Bowl contender.  I don't see Jacksonville as that either.  Lawrence is quite overrated.  He plays in a terrible division and has a soft schedule.  No doubt they make the playoffs, but their time there will be short lived.

If you'd want to put Baltimore or Jacksonville over the Chargers, I wouldn't argue.  I do think the rosters of the 3 teams support the Chargers, but coaching definitely favors Baltimore and Jacksonville.

These Jets remind me so much of the Rex era Jets. Those Rex Jets had a great secondary headlined by the best CB in football, a great run game Thomas Jones > LT/Shonn Greene behind Nick/Brick and company. Edwards and Holmes in the pass game.... and both with young, immature QBs under center. 

Aside from Rex having a much better offensive line and Saleh having a much better defensive line (Rex's pass rush was dependent on lockdown coverage in the secondary, Saleh has the talent to generate a pass rush regardless) 

but I would take Rex at HC all day. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

14 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

These Jets remind me so much of the Rex era Jets. Those Rex Jets had a great secondary headlined by the best CB in football, a great run game Thomas Jones > LT/Shonn Greene behind Nick/Brick and company. Edwards and Holmes in the pass game.... and both with young, immature QBs under center. 

Aside from Rex having a much better offensive line and Saleh having a much better defensive line (Rex's pass rush was dependent on lockdown coverage in the secondary, Saleh has the talent to generate a pass rush regardless) 

but I would take Rex at HC all day. 

You clearly follow the Jets more than I do, LOL.  I don't know enough about Saleh to say that Rex Ryan is better than him.

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You clearly follow the Jets more than I do, LOL.  I don't know enough about Saleh to say that Rex Ryan is better than him.

Not calling Rex a great coach but one thing he was great at was galvanizing his players. With the exception of cancerous Holmes, those guys would go to war for him. He was also a great defensive mind. 

I really miss him but much of that has to do with the garbage we hired after his tenure. Todd Bowles, Adam Gase  .  Saleh strikes me as the JAG version of a head coach. Not awful but I also don't really know what he's bringing to the table. As the first muslim coach in NFL history, he may be a classic case of diversity. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

I think Saleh would be good if he had a decent QB. Was really hoping Rodgers could prove me correct on that 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Not calling Rex a great coach but one thing he was great at was galvanizing his players. With the exception of cancerous Holmes, those guys would go to war for him. He was also a great defensive mind. 

I really miss him but much of that has to do with the garbage we hired after his tenure. Todd Bowles, Adam Gase  .  Saleh strikes me as the JAG version of a head coach. Not awful but I also don't really know what he's bringing to the table. As the first muslim coach in NFL history, he may be a classic case of diversity. 

Rex was definitely like his dad in many ways.  The Eagles were very much like that during Buddy's hay day.

[Bier Meister 1,658]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

I really miss him but much of that has to do with the garbage we hired after his tenure. Todd Bowles, Adam Gase  .  Saleh strikes me as the JAG version of a head coach. Not awful but I also don't really know what he's bringing to the table. As the first muslim coach in NFL history, he may be a classic case of diversity. 

ummm.... we would gladly take him back as DC