Epstein Suicided, Who Are They Protecting?

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

To be fair, I sometimes am not paying close enough attention, I get caught up in the conversation and assume it is transpiring in good faith. And only later do I realize it was never a real conversation.

I think I've been extremely courdial to you while you've called me names in every encounter we've had.  But that's to be expected from conservatives these days, you follow the lead of the master.

So ok, take you out of it, tell me how liberals are denying freedom of choice (your words) to people who aren't the correct race or political dogma (again your words).  First you should identify these poor US citizens who are being denied their freedom of choice, then give me a single example since you used that statement to apply to liberals.

I eagerly await your response. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

I think I've been extremely courdial to you while you've called me names in every encounter we've had.  But that's to be expected from conservatives these days, you follow the lead of the master.

So ok, take you out of it, tell me how liberals are denying freedom of choice (your words) to people who aren't the correct race or political dogma (again your words).  First you should identify these poor US citizens who are being denied their freedom of choice, then give me a single example since you used that statement to apply to liberals.

I eagerly await your response. 

We can agree to disagree on the qualities of our exchanges. 

My assertions above remain. I now understand that you will not acknowledge the faults or failures of liberalism and the harm it has and continunes to cause.  

Modern Liberalism is a relogion and its followers treat it as such, that is my position.  I have offered reasons, but you do not want to talk about those reasons. You want to focus on the racial aspect, which I get...that is is most important part for a liberal....to pretend race is the only thing....which is why I mentioned it at all.

So in a sense, you are providing some reinforcement for me to continue to see it that way....interestingly.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

We can agree to disagree on the qualities of our exchanges. 

My assertions above remain. I now understand that you will not acknowledge the faults or failures of liberalism and the harm it has and continunes to cause.  

Modern Liberalism is a relogion and its followers treat it as such, that is my position.  I have offered reasons, but you do not want to talk about those reasons. You want to focus on the racial aspect, which I get...that is is most important part for a liberal....to pretend race is the only thing....which is why I mentioned it at all.

So in a sense, you are providing some reinforcement for me to continue to see it that way....interestingly.

You made a statement, I asked you to provide an example.

You believe this is unfair?

For example, if I stated "conservatives are racist."  Wouldn't you feel like I should provide some examples for the conclusion that I've drawn?  I've only asked you to do the same.  But you can't do it because your premise is 100% incorrect yet you won't admit it. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You made a statement, I asked you to provide an example.

You believe this is unfair?

For example, if I stated "conservatives are racist."  Wouldn't you feel like I should provide some examples for the conclusion that I've drawn?  I've only asked you to do the same.  But you can't do it because your premise is 100% incorrect yet you won't admit it. 

But I provided examples, certainly ones that I would have accepted if provided to me   My interepretation was that you did not accept them, which is fine by me.

I see conservatives called racists with some frequency, I do not agree with the examples or reasons, but I think people see things differently. 

[Sean Mooney 1,938]

8 hours ago, jonmx said:

Because it is you dipshit.  Rich and powerful people are psychopathic bastards who have an insatiable desire to satisfy their greed.  It is their nature and has been since the beginning of time.

Decades later does all the crap they tried to pull off gets reveaYeah.

Oh, our government recruited over a thousands of the most brutal Nazi's for high-powered jobs on the US.  Yeap.

Oh, our government did mind control experiments with LSD and other drugs on unknowing American citizens.  You bet.

Oh, our government was deeply involved in killing JFK, RFK, and MLK.  Most certainly. 

Oh, our government had plans to shoot down a commercial plane and blame it on Cuba so we could invade.  100 percent they did.

Oh, our government infiltrated the media and college compuses to put out their propaganda.  Absolutely.  

The fuking government popularized the term 'conspiracy theories' so useful idiots like you would ridicule the obvious truth.

The Democratic party has been over run with with authoritarian leftist bastards, and idiots like you carry their water.

You think, oh in the past the government did some nasty crap, but today they are honest.   Well BS, they have never suffered any consequences for their dirty deeds....and all the government has done is grown exponentially in power and gotten smarter at doing it.  Hell, today they are so brazen about what they do, it is so obvious.  But half the damn population is so brainwashed and manipulated by fear of freedom, they bury their heads in the sand. 

Wake the fuk up you fuking idiots.   

Holy crap dude....the tin foil on your head is strangling your neck and not allowing oxygen to your brain. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But I provided examples, certainly ones that I would have accepted if provided to me   My interepretation was that you did not accept them, which is fine by me.

I see conservatives called racists with some frequency, I do not agree with the examples or reasons, but I think people see things differently. 

You gave specific example of people of the wrong color and political dogma being denied their freedom of choice?  Like actual events that have happened?   I'm sorry I missed it.  Would you mind quoting the post again.  Apologies. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You gave specific example of people of the wrong color and political dogma being denied their freedom of choice.  I'm sorry I missed it.  Would you mind quoting the post again.  Apologies. 

I want to suggest.....just suggest, that it might be true.....that maybe, you could perhaps be reading my statements and coloring them with some personal bias.  Just suggesting, not asserting. Its coming across as though you read intent, and are trying to find some .....some...intent or something?  But I am not inclined to provide you because there was no...intent....and that could be where the gap is arising? Maybe....

Freedom of choice for the modern liberal, does have an influence that considers race and gender.....I do not have the freedom to have an opinion about everything.  Liberalism asserts that your skin color and gender are indicators of your relevance.....your freedom to chose an opinion is predicated on skin color and gender.....

Now if that sounds at very least....to be racist, that is because it IS in fact racist.  But in true relogion form, the natural incongruties that arise have offsets....so its not racism when Liberalism asserts racist views....because they seek to redefine the term to include "power"....this is the way by which they can be vile racists.....and get away with it.

The important thing is to not merely not be a racist, but to be anti-racist....so speaking out against racist liberal ideas is a must. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I want to suggest.....just suggest, that it might be true.....that maybe, you could perhaps be reading my statements and coloring them with some personal bias.  Just suggesting, not asserting. Its coming across as though you read intent, and are trying to find some .....some...intent or something?  But I am not inclined to provide you because there was no...intent....and that could be where the gap is arising? Maybe....

Freedom of choice for the modern liberal, does have an influence that considers race and gender.....I do not have the freedom to have an opinion about everything.  Liberalism asserts that your skin color and gender are indicators of your relevance.....your freedom to chose an opinion is predicated on skin color and gender.....

Now if that sounds at very least....to be racist, that is because it IS in fact racist.  But in true relogion form, the natural incongruties that arise have offsets....so its not racism when Liberalism asserts racist views....because they seek to redefine the term to include "power"....this is the way by which they can be vile racists.....and get away with it.

The important thing is to not merely not be a racist, but to be anti-racist....so speaking out against racist liberal ideas is a must. 

Thank you for that.  And perhaps you're correct, my personal bias is creeping in.  You stated "I do not have the freedom to have an opinion about everything.  Liberalism asserts that your skin color and gender are indicators of your relevance.....your freedom to chose an opinion is predicated on skin color and gender."

In order for your statement to be fact, there have to be examples of it happening in the real world.  Can you provide any examples that would fit with your statement?  Are, I'm assuming your talking about straight, white, men here, correct me if I'm wrong, not allowed to have certain jobs?  Do they not have the ability to go to twitter and express their opinion?  Are they underrepresented in the circles of power that run our country?

Help me understand how skin color and gender are indicators of your relevance with examples of it happening in society.

I look forward to your response. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

lol, the only person I see people protecting here is Trump (mostly HT)

Protect him from what? Beachkaren and you? Clown.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

1 hour ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Do you honestly think any libs on this board really want some democrat who abused underage girls to not be tried?

Like you seriously believe that?

Yes.  Real Tim.  And I saw a bunch of liberals at the Oscars giving a standing ovation to one. And when Beau Biden was AG of Delaware he let one of his fathers campaign donors off after raping his three year old. Thanks for the meatball, Boyo. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes.  Real Tim.  And I saw a bunch of liberals at the Oscars giving a standing ovation to one. And when Beau Biden was AG of Delaware he let one of his fathers campaign donors off after raping his three year old. Thanks for the meatball, Boyo. 

Remind me, when they had Epstein dead to rights around 2010, did they throw the book at him?  Who gave him the sweatheart deal and who's administration did that person serve in? 

We can whatabout until the cows come home friend.  I asked a very specific question about this board and you said that Tim would be ok with child abusers being let go if they were liberal.  That's a terrible thing to say.

And please stop calling me boyo.  It's getting on my nerve. 

[RLLD 4,143]

6 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Thank you for that.  And perhaps you're correct, my personal bias is creeping in.  You stated "I do not have the freedom to have an opinion about everything.  Liberalism asserts that your skin color and gender are indicators of your relevance.....your freedom to chose an opinion is predicated on skin color and gender."

In order for your statement to be fact, there have to be examples of it happening in the real world.  Can you provide any examples that would fit with your statement?  Are, I'm assuming your talking about straight, white, men here, correct me if I'm wrong, not allowed to have certain jobs?  Do they not have the ability to go to twitter and express their opinion?  Are they underrepresented in the circles of power that run our country?

Help me understand how skin color and gender are indicators of your relevance with examples of it happening in society.

I look forward to your response. 

Examples are plentiful.  I watch multiple news sources, and its stated plainly....someone has an opinion and the response is you are a white male so you cannot have an opinion.  This has been transpiring for some time now.  The truth is that some things are true, even if someone is a white male. And to suggest that the quality of an opinion is predicated on skin color or gender, is just not the way to go. It is prevasive in our universities as well.  And when even the most liberal of professors dares to question the suspect decisions he is ousted as some kind of racist....

I can go on and on, but I really do not care to conduct research for others. I spent copious amounts of time reading as it is.  This is not new....not surprising....not unknown.... its all around us.

I surmise that if there were people walking around, and suggesting that some minoroty group could not speak to have an opinion based on their skin color we would all justifiably stand up to it....and so this idea that we can be racist to some group due to their success just does not sit well with me. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, RLLD said:

Examples are plentiful.  I watch multiple news sources, and its stated plainly....someone has an opinion and the response is you are a white male so you cannot have an opinion.  This has been transpiring for some time now.  The truth is that some things are true, even if someone is a white male. And to suggest that the quality of an opinion is predicated on skin color or gender, is just not the way to go. It is prevasive in our universities as well.  And when even the most liberal of professors dares to question the suspect decisions he is ousted as some kind of racist....

I can go on and on, but I really do not care to conduct research for others. I spent copious amounts of time reading as it is.  This is not new....not surprising....not unknown.... its all around us.

I surmise that if there were people walking around, and suggesting that some minoroty group could not speak to have an opinion based on their skin color we would all justifiably stand up to it....and so this idea that we can be racist to some group due to their success just does not sit well with me. 

Thanks for that.  I'd suggest the two opinion pieces written by individuals and the article you linked are hardly representative of liberals as a group.  But you seem resigned to take a few meaningless extremist and apply it to the whole.

That's your prerogative and I disagree.  I could just as easily take a manifesto from a far right mass shooter and suggest it applies to all conservatives, but I will not do that.

Thank you for the reasonably cordial discourse this afternoon. 

[RLLD 4,143]

33 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Thanks for that.  I'd suggest the two opinion pieces written by individuals and the article you linked are hardly representative of liberals as a group.  But you seem resigned to take a few meaningless extremist and apply it to the whole.

That's your prerogative and I disagree.  I could just as easily take a manifesto from a far right mass shooter and suggest it applies to all conservatives, but I will not do that.

Thank you for the reasonably cordial discourse this afternoon. 

I am a little surprised that any of this is something you are not aware of.   But maybe you have not had occasion to ingest it. I know CNN does this, and at MSNBC is is central to their reporting. Politicans have verbalized this. It is deeply immersed in our universities and has been for some time now.

I can only hope that at some point there is a turn, something compels a change, and people stop thinking so horribly. I am concerned that our educational system has poisoned the minds of the last couple of generations to such an extent that is might have a permanence.  Hate appears to be the new normal as we lose the values that held us together as a nation. 

[jonmx 2,424]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Holy crap dude....the tin foil on your head is strangling your neck and not allowing oxygen to your brain. 

Everything I said is true.   

[BeachGuy23 642]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Everything I said is true.   

That's exactly what the flat earthers and fake moon landers say.

And they're saner than you friend. 

[jonmx 2,424]

3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

That's exactly what the flat earthers and fake moon landers say.

And they're saner than you friend. 

The flat-earhers were the bootlickers who believed the consensus and were too afraid to stand up to the stupidity.  And just to be clear, that would be you. 

[edjr 6,578]

even though I detest most liberals for a variety of reasons. I have said this before. @thegeneral is good people

[thegeneral 2,912]

3 hours ago, edjr said:

even though I detest most liberals for a variety of reasons. I have said this before. @thegeneral is good people

Thank you. I have enjoyed the back and forth. I wear people down with tenacious defense. 

[RLLD 4,143]

9 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Thank you. I have enjoyed the back and forth. I wear people down with tenacious defense. 

If I might suggest, rather than approaching a conversation with the intent to wear someone down, so as to force submission to your ideology…. You instead approach with you position, hear the other person out, ask questions first to understand and the. Seek to be understood 

none of us are “right” and none of us are “wrong”, at least not entirely.

This absolutism and insistence upon being the only correct way denied your opportunities to grow

[thegeneral 2,912]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If I might suggest, rather than approaching a conversation with the intent to wear someone down, so as to force submission to your ideology…. You instead approach with you position, hear the other person out, ask questions first to understand and the. Seek to be understood 

none of us are “right” and none of us are “wrong”, at least not entirely.

This absolutism and insistence upon being the only correct way denied your opportunities to grow

It was a joke.

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It was a joke.

:manning face:

[IGotWorms 4,057]

24 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If I might suggest, rather than approaching a conversation with the intent to wear someone down, so as to force submission to your ideology…. You instead approach with you position, hear the other person out, ask questions first to understand and the. Seek to be understood 

none of us are “right” and none of us are “wrong”, at least not entirely.

This absolutism and insistence upon being the only correct way denied your opportunities to grow

Whoa! The lack of self-awareness is astounding

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Whoa! The lack of self-awareness is astounding

Irony.....

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Whoa! The lack of self-awareness is astounding

You mean all liberals aren't racist radicals who wish to punish anyone who doesn't bow to the alter of the crazy left?

That's a new one for Mr. RLLD. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Irony.....

I’m not the one posting that holier than thou bullsh1t  

[RLLD 4,143]

18 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m not the one posting that holier than thou bullsh1t  

Of course you do, and that you would pretend you don’t emphasizes your hubris. It’s integral to what I posted and you stepped right into the role, I want to sort of thank you for essentially bringing my point home

[HellToupee 1,588]

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

Bottom line: The Republican senator wants it unsealed, the Democrat senator does not. Another case of democrats protecting pedophiles. 

[avoiding injuries 1,511]

People who are against the list being released might as well admit to being ok with human trafficking and pedophilia. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,939]

5 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

People who are against the list being released might as well admit to being ok with human trafficking and pedophilia. 

Pretty much. But to think that they haven’t offered Maxwell a deal to give up the pedos also tells you something.  

[thegeneral 2,912]

I thought the flight logs were unsealed in one of the trials. That’s how we got the big names of people who flew (Clinton, Gates, Trump, some Kennedy, etc).

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,838]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I thought the flight logs were unsealed in one of the trials. That’s how we got the big names of people who flew (Clinton, Gates, Trump, some Kennedy, etc).

We need ALL of the logs and documents.  Not just cherry-picked ones.

[thegeneral 2,912]

9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

We need ALL of the logs and documents.  Not just cherry-picked ones.

They should def do that. I thought we already had all the flight logs though.

What happened here with Blackburn isn’t really as cut and dry and she is representing however. This committee is in some pissing contest and they are just playing parliamentary games with each other. 

[thegeneral 2,912]

What are these?

This is what I thought were the flight logs and what came out of one of the trials. Are there more or something?

[Reality 3,098]

Somebody is about to get Hillary'ed.

 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

On 11/30/2023 at 6:41 PM, weepaws said:

Everyone involved of course.  They will pay.  

How will they pay?

No one will ever pay or be "officially" named.    There are 3 different judicial systems in this country.  We need a 4th. A 4th is the only way the correct folks will pay.

Even IF a list came out.... the media and government will flood the internet and news with "That's a fake list" etc. 
 

[tubby_mcgee 700]

On 12/1/2023 at 1:07 AM, Gepetto said:

If all of these elite scumbags got outed for pedophilia, they'd probably find a way to change the laws to allow it to be legal anytime after a girl has had her period and make it retroactive. sickos

They will never be "outed".

The list would be

1.) deemed "Fake" by the government, then in turn "Snopes" would call it fake, then 50% of the population would buy into it being "fake".

2.) be scrubbed from the internet because its fake.

 

No.One.Will.Ever.Be.Outed.Or.Face.Penalty.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,705]

I believe victims and staffers are in the 177, so this may not be the who’s who we are hoping to see.  

[League Champion 1,896]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

Somebody is about to get Hillary'ed.

 

She's next