University presidents won’t condemn antisemitism

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Penn removed that President b/c a super rich donor threatened not to follow through on their one hundred million dollar donation so it gets Penn U a lot of money.

Agree.  But is this manuever not the very same thing conservatives have been lamenting for years?  It makes no sense for any of us to support this action.  

[Gepetto 1,368]

Just now, RLLD said:

Agree.  But is this manuever not the very same thing conservatives have been lamenting for years?  It makes no sense for any of us to support this action.  

It doesn't have to be supported, but it's just the reality. 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

It doesn't have to be supported, but it's just the reality. 

Agree.  I would take to joy from it, there is no winner here.  Accountability is nice to see, and its rare we are afforded actual accountability for those left of center, so in a way it does represent some hope that reason can win.

Still, you can remove those women from their roles, and you could even replace them with more conservative folks.....these sh!tholes will still churn out hateful people with a lack of rationality or reason.

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

39 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yes, I understand that is likely true.  I surmise you see these schools as producing good citizens.

That all depends. If it helps them think for themselves I would say yes. And for the vast majority of college graduates I would say yes. 

[RLLD 4,230]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That all depends. If it helps them think for themselves I would say yes. And for the vast majority of college graduates I would say yes. 

I am hesitant to accept that they think for themselves. And the performance of these presidents reinforces my concern.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Sometimes it takes tasting your own medicine to see how ridiculous you have been.  Liberals are seeing, when the tables turned, how Universities and Higher Education have drifted away into this ultra PC, political woke mob insanity  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/12/10/fareeds-take-us-universities-education-gps-vpx.cnn

Even the CNN’s are saying what most Conservatives have been yelling for years.  Stop pushing propaganda and personal agendas and teach.  

Maybe once the blinders are off this will filter down to the public school system.  

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

That was fast.  

Lol.  I thought you saw that and was being sarcastic above.   

[MDC 7,425]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Lol.  I thought you saw that and was being sarcastic above.   

No! I seriously didn’t know. 

I used to think Israel was our lapdog. I’m starting to wonder if we are theirs. 

[BuckSwope 654]

26 minutes ago, MDC said:

No! I seriously didn’t know. 

I used to think Israel was our lapdog. I’m starting to wonder if we are theirs. 

Yeah, that was the rumbles last week.   Gop acting like the lefties and trying to redefine terms so they can demonize people.  It's bizarre. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am hesitant to accept that they think for themselves. And the performance of these presidents reinforces my concern.

When they chant the catecism, when they parrot the orthodoxy in unison with no dissenting voices they are not thinking for themselves.  They are parroting.   

[RLLD 4,230]

18 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

When they chant the catecism, when they parrot the orthodoxy in unison with no dissenting voices they are not thinking for themselves.  They are parroting.   

And, importantly, is this manuever to equate dissention with evil intent.   You comply with the orthodoxy or you are labelled as evil and because of that you can be silenced or harmed. 

[jerryskids 6,797]

Bill Maher talking to the head of FIRE about this.  The discussion about the hypocrisy of Harvard and Penn (I'm glad they omitted MIT) was interesting.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Bill Maher talking to the head of FIRE about this.  The discussion about the hypocrisy of Harvard and Penn (I'm glad they omitted MIT) was interesting.

 

Bill can’t think of any other group you could say “fuk the- blank” and get away with it? Ok. 

[jerryskids 6,797]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Bill can’t think of any other group you could say “fuk the- blank” and get away with it? Ok. 

No, he's saying that if he said the obvious ones, the cancel culture would clip the video to make it seem like he was actually saying it instead of making his point, which is that free speech is equal unless you say something against a favorite pet group of the Left, in which case you will be canceled.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, he's saying that if he said the obvious ones, the cancel culture would clip the video to make it seem like he was actually saying it instead of making his point, which is that free speech is equal unless you say something against a favorite pet group of the Left, in which case you will be canceled.

I took it that he was saying you could only get away with saying F The Jews and no one else. Which is ridiculous. You could say whatever you want about white Christians and no one would bat an eye. 

[jerryskids 6,797]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I took it that he was saying you could only get away with saying F The Jews and no one else. Which is ridiculous. You could say whatever you want about white Christians and no one would bat an eye. 

I took it as you can't say F the blacks/LGBTQ/etc protected classes.  Why would he be afraid to say F the White Christians?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I took it as you can't say F the blacks/LGBTQ/etc protected classes.  Why would he be afraid to say F the White Christians?

I’m saying you could get away with it. It’s not just the Jews you could say that about. And the Jewish donors didn’t care about the hate on campus, which has been plentiful, until it was them.   

[jerryskids 6,797]

29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m saying you could get away with it. It’s not just the Jews you could say that about. And the Jewish donors didn’t care about the hate on campus, which has been plentiful, until it was them.   

I don't know what you are arguing about; neither I nor Maher are disagreeing with you. 

Regarding your second part, that is the nature of things, isn't it?  I find it interesting that the Lefties here are all up in arms about the Right "canceling."  At Penn, some guy had said he would donate $100M.  That's, well, a lot of money.  If I were going to donate a lot of money, I would want to feel good about it.  If the guy doesn't feel good about it, why should he be on the hook for that $100M?  Words have consequences, that's what I learned from the Left.   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

10 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

 This is pretty much where I am.   I can't think of a rational person I know who would have an issue with something like Gender Queer not being available in a school library. It's a clear cut as you can get, IMO.   Where the conversation starts to derail is that as with the bolded, often (at least for me) there is a huge falsehood with the story when I read it or see people talking about.  For example "it's being taught in schools" when it was a book in a library, and never suggested or taught in a classroom.   It's framed as being in a younger school, but it was actually a High School.  Things like that.     

I usually have a question for each side of the debate that never seems to get answered.    For the right:  if it's JUST about sexuality in materials, why is it that when I look at the list of books being pulled and flagged is it 90% LGBTQ materials?   We can't deny there is a reason people wonder if you are anti-lgbtq if it is so one sided.   For the left:  WTF do most of the lgbtq materials on the lists come in the form of graphic novels and/or feature a heavy focus on sex and offensive pics?   I am open to materials of a variety being available to check out in schools, but some common sense must apply and I've seen too many examples of graphic novels where they aren't appropriate for the age being discussed.  

OF course it is because you're just a centrist down the middle guy that you keep telling everyone. 

Pro-tip: If you side with worms, you're not even close to the center.

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

In about ten years we won’t be arguing about what’s available in school libraries because there won’t be any. 

[weepaws 3,191]

Less than ten years.  

[BuckSwope 654]

45 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

OF course it is because you're just a centrist down the middle guy that you keep telling everyone. 

Pro-tip: If you side with worms, you're not even close to the center.

You are such the good little cheerleader.    Makes your posts about others being non-thinking sheep all the funnier.   So you just think the opposite of posters like worms?   Does agreeing with a lib on an issue get you kicked out of club or something?     Pathetic man.  

Pro-tip that idiots like you and HT don't seem to understand - saying you are more in the center doesn't mean you believe you are in some magical "middle or other" on every issue.   Sometimes I am (the border), sometimes I side with the right (guns, trans) sometimes I side with the left (drugs, abortion).   I know it's shocking for people like you when others think about an issue first and then form their opinion, not caring if another anonymous person on the internet agrees with them or not.     

[jerryskids 6,797]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

You are such the good little cheerleader.    Makes your posts about others being non-thinking sheep all the funnier.   So you just think the opposite of posters like worms?   Does agreeing with a lib on an issue get you kicked out of club or something?     Pathetic man.  

Pro-tip that idiots like you and HT don't seem to understand - saying you are more in the center doesn't mean you believe you are in some magical "middle or other" on every issue.   Sometimes I am (the border), sometimes I side with the right (guns, trans) sometimes I side with the left (drugs, abortion).   I know it's shocking for people like you when others think about an issue first and then form their opinion, not caring if another anonymous person on the internet agrees with them or not.     

Just wondering, what does being centrist on the border mean?   

[MDC 7,425]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Just wondering, what does being centrist on the border mean?   

One foot in Mexico and the other in the US.

duh.

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Just wondering, what does being centrist on the border mean?   

Mostly disagreeing with solutions presented from each side.  Just an issue off the top of my head where I don't feel I'd have a home on from either side.  

[jerryskids 6,797]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

One foot in Mexico and the other in the US.

duh.

Reminds me of a joke:  your mom is so fat, she keeps dollars in one pocket and pesos in the other!  :rimshot:

 

[jerryskids 6,797]

4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Mostly disagreeing with solutions presented from each side.  Just an issue off the top of my head where I don't feel I'd have a home on from either side.  

IMO, the question is if we should default to letting illegals in (think @The Real timschochet, who would just open the border) or default to letting nobody in, including folks claiming asylum, until their situation could be adjudicated.  I'm the latter.  You?

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

IMO, the question is if we should default to letting illegals in (think @The Real timschochet, who would just open the border) or default to letting nobody in, including folks claiming asylum, until their situation could be adjudicated.  I'm the latter.  You?

I wouldn’t just open the border. 
 

In fact I’ve come around sharply on this issue in recent months. During the Obama and Trump years, we were taking in 2-3000 illegals a month. Now we’re taking in 12,000-15,000 a month.

As much as I sympathize with these people (and I do, I don’t look at them negatively), those numbers are unsustainable for us.) We’re going to have to put a halt to it. I want to find a way to do it humanely; I hate the Trump proposals which struck me as vindictive and cruel. I still want to revamp the entire system long term. But for now we have to stop these numbers from coming however we can. 
 

Did I just lose my liberal card? It’s what I think. 

[BuckSwope 654]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

IMO, the question is if we should default to letting illegals in (think @The Real timschochet, who would just open the border) or default to letting nobody in, including folks claiming asylum, until their situation could be adjudicated.  I'm the latter.  You?

Yes, in your scenario I am in your camp, but for me the bolded is the biggest piece of the puzzle, and evidence to my position that neither party truly cares about the issue because that is what is left to fester as they just battle over the rate of flow across the border.     My solutions would include a reasonable limit on a number of people allowed combined with a complete overhaul of the asylum system and a way to catch up on the 4 year backlog of cases.       I've said many times that there is too much $ to be made having the border the way it is from both sides of the aisle, so all of that is not a bug of the system.    Cheap labor in some of the biggest industries in the country combined with companies profiting both on the incarceration of and the transportation out of the country of illegals?   Any politician successful in "shutting down" the border in a way that you or I would want would immediately lose the backing of just about any big lobby you can think of.  And they all know it, so they just fight about walls that will never get built and don't do anything of substance.  

[Mark Davis 398]

9 hours ago, RLLD said:

Removing these Presidents is nothing, nothing more than a show.   The faculty indoctrinating these kids with hate remains, and will continue to groom them into the cult.   You can put anyone you like into those positions, the professors remain devoted to the propoganda of our enemies and producing graduates who hate

The Harvard faculty rallying around her seems to indicate that.  They are big into DEI unless you disagree with them or are from the wrong race.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

Why does the asylum system have to be overhauled? How is it possible for people to fly to central and South America and then head north and walk in? They are supposed to ask for asylum in the first available country. Start with enforcing that rule. No need for an overhaul. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

12 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

You are such the good little cheerleader.    Makes your posts about others being non-thinking sheep all the funnier.   So you just think the opposite of posters like worms?   Does agreeing with a lib on an issue get you kicked out of club or something?     Pathetic man.  

Pro-tip that idiots like you and HT don't seem to understand - saying you are more in the center doesn't mean you believe you are in some magical "middle or other" on every issue.   Sometimes I am (the border), sometimes I side with the right (guns, trans) sometimes I side with the left (drugs, abortion).   I know it's shocking for people like you when others think about an issue first and then form their opinion, not caring if another anonymous person on the internet agrees with them or not.     

Look at this guy talking about cheerleaders!  You haven't met a position on the right you've agreed with yet, but you want to play the "I'm the centrist" guy.

Pro-tip:  When you agree with all of the liberal positions, defend them with zeal and support other liberal posters 24/7 while excoriating anything even remotely on the right (or pretending you support some things on the right) - then you're not a centrist. 

GTFO with your ghey pretzel logic! 

[BuckSwope 654]

Sound familiar righties?

1. Demand an apology and/or change in terms and policies. 

2.  Still not enough so firings are in order. 

3.  Complaints of things like speech, walking past posters, etc are making you feel unsafe. 

 

I could go on. All the stuff you supposedly hate with BLM and trans people among others on full display here and you are nodding in agreement now that it aligns with something you agree with.  

[RLLD 4,230]

10 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

The Harvard faculty rallying around her seems to indicate that.  They are big into DEI unless you disagree with them or are from the wrong race.  

Of course.  That University is dominated by leftist hate.  We know this. Look at the low quality of their students.

[MDC 7,425]

Harvard University is known for the low quality of its students.  

[Dizkneelande 1,100]

33 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Sound familiar righties?

1. Demand an apology and/or change in terms and policies. 

2.  Still not enough so firings are in order. 

3.  Complaints of things like speech, walking past posters, etc are making you feel unsafe. 

 

I could go on. All the stuff you supposedly hate with BLM and trans people among others on full display here and you are nodding in agreement now that it aligns with something you agree with.  

We’re cheering on a commie lefty getting cancelled by other lefties because of woke lefty DEI policies. It’s glorious. Everything the left touches turns to sh!t. 

[Dizkneelande 1,100]

24 minutes ago, MDC said:

Harvard University is known for the low quality of its students.  

Just the ones who didn’t get accepted on merit. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

We’re cheering on a commie lefty getting cancelled by other lefties because of woke lefty DEI policies. It’s glorious. Everything the left touches turns to sh!t. 

You might want to follow this trail a little bit closer.   

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

Pro-American Patriots did not make these woke rules. We wish they would go away so we can go back to the good old days of ghay jokes, movies like Blazing Saddles, Washington Redskins, no fatties and trannies in SI Swimsuit edition, and straight white people being used in commercials 

We just want to make sure the other side has to adhere to their rules as well or face the same consequences.  

[RLLD 4,230]

8 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Pro-American Patriots did not make these woke rules. We wish they would go away so we can go back to the good old days of ghay jokes, movies like Blazing Saddles, Washington Redskins, no fatties and trannies in SI Swimsuit edition, and straight white people being used in commercials 

We just want to make sure the other side has to adhere to their rules as well or face the same consequences.  

This at the very least.  But where it arises that leftists are impacted....have to carry soime weight.....live under the umbrella of their creation.....we do not see adherence as they demand it.