jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 It is obvious the New York fraud case against Trump is itself a complete fraud. Even with a rabid Trump-hating judge making absurd ruling after absurd ruling, and a rabid incompetent Trump-hating prosecutor constantly lying, there is little chance anything will come of this case. The banks have testified they were happy with the deals and made lots of money and Trump was never in default. The banks have also said that they conservatively value properties and their opinions often lowers the values from Financials statements when making loan determinations. There were no victims of this alledged crime and there are even experts who said Trump's financial statements had no errors and they even valued the properties much higher than Trump's estimates. Besides all that, most of the case fails because of statue of limitations. Now I don't doubt this highly corrupt Trump-hating judge will find an excuse to convict Trump, there is zero chance it is upheld. All this does is prove Trump was a victim of malicious prosecution and is being deprived 1st Amendment rights by unconstitutional gag orders in the mist of an election. More and more the left is being exposed as corrupt authoritarian bastards who massively abuse their power and are the enemy of all the values which made this country great. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted December 8, 2023 What happens when Trump is Acquitted? We go back to being Men and Women. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted December 8, 2023 Well, I think him having a stroke has to be in the cards soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted December 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, wiffleball said: Well, I think him having a stroke has to be in the cards soon. The current President craps himself and forgets where he's at. Could it be any worse? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,191 Posted December 8, 2023 The American justice system is a fake and can be brought. , that’s what it means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,099 Posted December 8, 2023 They are going to put him in prison in the DC case he doesn’t stand a chance with the communist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,538 Posted December 8, 2023 He becomes President, weaponizes the DOJ to put all Biden's and Clinton's in prison, and pardons all his friends. Isnt it obvious? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,100 Posted December 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, Strike said: He becomes President, weaponizes the DOJ to put all Biden's and Clinton's in prison, and pardons all his friends. Isnt it obvious? So he's just going to do the same thing the Democrats are literally doing right now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,761 Posted December 8, 2023 I would guess: 1. The New York civil trial. Already found guilty. Only question is amount of punishment. 2. New York criminal trial (Alvin Bragg). 60% chance of conviction. 3. DC Jan 6 trial: 65% chance of conviction unless Mark Meadows testifies, then 80% chance. 4. Classified docs trial: 95% chance of conviction- Trump has no defense to this one. 5. Atlanta trial: 80% chance of conviction. Extremely unlikely he is acquitted of all of these. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 It appears Trump has effectively muddied the waters and deluded some people into thinking this is all one trial or one witch hunt! Sad but he’s great at this type of shet…and his fanboys are willing partners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I would guess: 1. The New York civil trial. Already found guilty. Only question is amount of punishment. 2. New York criminal trial (Alvin Bragg). 60% chance of conviction. 3. DC Jan 6 trial: 65% chance of conviction unless Mark Meadows testifies, then 80% chance. 4. Classified docs trial: 95% chance of conviction- Trump has no defense to this one. 5. Atlanta trial: 80% chance of conviction. Extremely unlikely he is acquitted of all of these. Only if you believe the nonsense from the Trump-hating establishment media. There is no chance the verdict in the New York civil trial holds up, much of it has already been thrown out. None of those cases are nearly what you think they are. Not that a conviction is an impossibility, especially at the lower court levels where these judges have no shame. The tactics being used where lawyer-client privilege is simply ignored, is eliminating the rights in the 5th Amendment. At some point the cases will reach a level where the laws are upheld, even if it has to go the the US Supreme Court. We are a Banana Republic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, thegeneral said: It appears Trump has effectively muddied the waters and deluded some people into thinking this is all one trial or one witch hunt! Sad but he’s great at this type of shet…and his fanboys are willing partners. Most of these trials have zero chance of concluding prior to the elections. The ones which are being fast tracked are the most pathetic cases which will fail. At which point the others become moot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,423 Posted December 8, 2023 What happens? Not much. The Lion cares not what the lamb thinks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Strike said: He becomes President, weaponizes the DOJ to put all Biden's and Clinton's in prison, and pardons all his friends. Isnt it obvious? As much as he would be justified and a few actually deserve it, I hope he refrains from going too far. What they are doing to Trump is criminal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Strike said: He becomes President, weaponizes the DOJ to put all Biden's and Clinton's in prison, and pardons all his friends. Isnt it obvious? This gives you a raging boner I bet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, jonmx said: Most of these trials have zero chance of concluding prior to the elections. The ones which are being fast tracked are the most pathetic cases which will fail. At which point the others become moot. Run out the clock and hope he wins is the strategy. Criminals going to criminal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, jonmx said: It is obvious the New York fraud case against Trump is itself a complete fraud. Even with a rabid Trump-hating judge making absurd ruling after absurd ruling, and a rabid incompetent Trump-hating prosecutor constantly lying, there is little chance anything will come of this case. The banks have testified they were happy with the deals and made lots of money and Trump was never in default. The banks have also said that they conservatively value properties and their opinions often lowers the values from Financials statements when making loan determinations. There were no victims of this alledged crime and there are even experts who said Trump's financial statements had no errors and they even valued the properties much higher than Trump's estimates. Besides all that, most of the case fails because of statue of limitations. Now I don't doubt this highly corrupt Trump-hating judge will find an excuse to convict Trump, there is zero chance it is upheld. All this does is prove Trump was a victim of malicious prosecution and is being deprived 1st Amendment rights by unconstitutional gag orders in the mist of an election. More and more the left is being exposed as corrupt authoritarian bastards who massively abuse their power and are the enemy of all the values which made this country great. Too much logic and relying on the evidence. none of which matters. They aren't looking for justice or the truth. The verdict was decided before the trial started and none of the testimony matters and the trial is a farce They just need to put on a show, within how the legal process works, to get a judicial stamp for where they want to go. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, Voltaire said: Too much logic and relying on the evidence. none of which matters. They aren't looking for justice or the truth. The verdict was decided before the trial started and none of the testimony matters and the trial is a farce They just need to put on a show, within how the legal process works, to get a judicial stamp for where they want to go. At this level, yes. This judge is the biggest partisan jackarse there is. But he is so stupid, he is unable to control and hide his biases, so his verdict will get tossed, probably even by liberal judges before it gets to the Supreme Court. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Run out the clock and hope he wins is the strategy. Criminals going to criminal. But he will win one or two before the election, just piling more proof that the left are corrupt authoritarian bastards who need to get tossed out of office. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, jonmx said: But he will win one or two before the election, just piling more proof that the left are corrupt authoritarian bastards who need to get tossed out of office. We’ll see he doesn’t seem in a big rush to go to trial. He’s busted in the docs case, there’s no way he wants that one to go to trial. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted December 8, 2023 Not sure he can be "aquitted". Can he? I recall reading the judge essentially found him liable before anything was in court at all. Or do you mean, overturned on appeal? If you mean the latter, I suggest there will be alot of that....but it will take a long time. I think all parties involved already know this. The goal here is not about law, its about doing what ever it takes to eliminate a political opponent. Who cares if its all overturned on appeal later.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted December 8, 2023 He celebrates by eating a Filet-o-fish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,761 Posted December 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, jonmx said: Only if you believe the nonsense from the Trump-hating establishment media. As it happens I do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, thegeneral said: We’ll see he doesn’t seem in a big rush to go to trial. He’s busted in the docs case, there’s no way he wants that one to go to trial. A crime he should be immune to. The POTUS is emperor when it comes to controlling classified data. And the President has rights in taking documents for his Presidential library. The government can dispute it, but the offense is not criminal. If anything, it is an administrative offense, which has administrative remedies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: Not sure he can be "aquitted". Can he? I recall reading the judge essentially found him liable before anything was in court at all. Or do you mean, overturned on appeal? If you mean the latter, I suggest there will be alot of that....but it will take a long time. I think all parties involved already know this. The goal here is not about law, its about doing what ever it takes to eliminate a political opponent. Who cares if its all overturned on appeal later.... Overturning the verdict leads to acquittal. The civil case will be overturned before the election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, jonmx said: A crime he should be immune to. The POTUS is emperor when it comes to controlling classified data. And the President has rights in taking documents for his Presidential library. The government can dispute it, but the offense is not criminal. If anything, it is an administrative offense, which has administrative remedies. Oh boy. He should stop stonewalling then and make this argument in court. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: As it happens I do. No matter how many times they lie to you. You are like an abused spouse having to tell everyone the black eye you have is because you ran into a door....for the 500th time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted December 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: He celebrates by eating a Filet-o-fish? He strikes me as more of a double quarter pounder with cheese guy or a McRib when it is available with a large fries and an apple pie. i heard he once fired an aid who nbrought him a single quartere pounder without cheese, the incompentant idiot! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, RLLD said: Not sure he can be "aquitted". Can he? I recall reading the judge essentially found him liable before anything was in court at all. Or do you mean, overturned on appeal? If you mean the latter, I suggest there will be alot of that....but it will take a long time. I think all parties involved already know this. The goal here is not about law, its about doing what ever it takes to eliminate a political opponent. Who cares if its all overturned on appeal later.... https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-rights/when-double-jeopardy-protection-ends.html#:~:text=If the appellate court reverses the conviction due to insufficient,on a lack of evidence. If the appellate court reverses the conviction due to insufficient evidence, it's treated as an acquittal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,423 Posted December 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Oh boy. He should stop stonewalling then and make this argument in court. No way. America loves a martyr. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: No way. America loves a martyr. Link He knows it’s BS. He throws everything at the wall and sees what sticks with people. “Addressing Trump's claim that he may have declassified the documents, the panel called that a "red herring," noting Trump had failed to present any evidence to support his claim. "The record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified," the appeals court judges wrote, adding that Trump in appearing before the special master, had "resisted providing any evidence that he that he had declassified any of these documents.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted December 8, 2023 1 minute ago, thegeneral said: Link He knows it’s BS. He throws everything at the wall and sees what sticks with people. “Addressing Trump's claim that he may have declassified the documents, the panel called that a "red herring," noting Trump had failed to present any evidence to support his claim. "The record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified," the appeals court judges wrote, adding that Trump in appearing before the special master, had "resisted providing any evidence that he that he had declassified any of these documents.” Did it through jedi mind control, like Silent Bob getting the incriminating tape in Mall Rats. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, Engorgeous George said: Did it through jedi mind control, like Silent Bob getting the incriminating tape in Mall Rats. yep. Even his towel boy Hannity was like “dude” when he ran that one out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,423 Posted December 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said: Did it through jedi mind control, like Silent Bob getting the incriminating tape in Mall Rats. They really should have a better process. But it is what it is. The president can just say it is and voila ! It is. Senators and VP’s can’t do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted December 8, 2023 I like that he was taking these for his Presidential Library This is a comedic gold mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,017 Posted December 8, 2023 It's amazing how strong the TDS has grown over the years in these liberal pea brains. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted December 8, 2023 Any and all cases Trump gets acquitted on — that’s that. It’s how our justice system works. You have to respect the verdict. Now, what about the ones he gets convicted on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,423 Posted December 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Any and all cases Trump gets acquitted on — that’s that. It’s how our justice system works. You have to respect the verdict. Now, what about the ones he gets convicted on? Burn whatever city it is to the ground. That’s what we do now that the democrats have normalized political violence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted December 8, 2023 40 minutes ago, thegeneral said: I like that he was taking these for his Presidential Library This is a comedic gold mine. Why the hell else was he taken them. Good lord you are dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,100 Posted December 8, 2023 28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Any and all cases Trump gets acquitted on — that’s that. It’s how our justice system works. You have to respect the verdict. Now, what about the ones he gets convicted on? Respect the verdict of a sham trial? wtf? If this was any one other than a white dude, you would be crying to the heavens about how this is a railroad. GTFO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites