States keeping candidates off ballots

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

That’s literally what Colorado did, you idiot

No they literally did not.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This seems like a flaw in the 14th Amendment.

But it seems to me, as a layman, that if we’re going to label someone an insurrectionist in a court of law, then that person should have been tried and convicted for that crime. Otherwise who decides? The court without any trial? That’s fundamentally un-American, which is why I am opposed to this decision. 

It’s done all the time in civil cases.

But even in civil cases, you often have the right to a jury trial.

So I don’t necessarily disagree, but it’s also not nearly as bizarre as some are making it out to be.

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

No they literally did not.

The whole thing, from start to finish, is a political sham. Numerous idiots in Colorado, besides the Supreme Court are complicit. Believe what u want.

[weepaws 3,193]

9 hours ago, Stryker Ryker said:

So now that Colorado has taken Trump off the ballot Texas is threatening to take Biden off their ballots along with other states. Vivek and other Republicans might be withdrawing from the Colorado ballot. However, it looks like the Republican Party said they’ll withdraw from Primary as a Party & convert to a pure caucus system. 
 

Seems the democrats did NOT think this through. In addition, big constitutional violation (not like the democrats don’t care about that anyway) as well as opening SO many doors they don’t want. The last time the democrats did something like this? Abraham Lincoln was running for president. And we ALL know why they didn’t want that. Just. Like. Now. 

It’s sad.  Why trust man, trust in the Lord.  

[jonmx 2,429]

This is the new justice system in the United States.   Conservatives have no right to a trial.  

This started with Alex Jones.  The judge simply declared him guilty based on his words.  None of the other elements required for defamation were allowed to be disputed in front of a jury.  The only role the jury played was to set the award.  This worked marvelously and they got an obscene jury award of around $1 billion despite Jones not physically harming anyone.

The did the same thing to Rudy Giulliani.  The judge declared him guilty of defamation without allowing any defense and they went to jury, and again getting an obscene award of $148 million for hurting the feeling of a election working who did some very strange things.  Both these awards were unheard of amounts, but were railroaded through.

This tactic is also being done in the Trump case in New York.  The judge skipped the jury trial and declared Trump guilty of fraud despite not a single victim or any harm being done to anyone.   Many elements of criminal fraud were not found, the judge simply decreed guilt based upon his opinion that Trump over inflated valued of his properties.  The case is now in front of a jury to determine damages, but has been stayed pending Suoreme Court ruling on issues of presidential immunity.  

Now we have this case in Colorado where the lower court simply declared Trump guilty of participating in an insurrection but decline to remove him from the ballot based upon his reading of the law.  The higher court has now overturned that ruling and here we are, Trump is off the ballot with no real trial.  

Leftist authoritarian bastards have found a way to destroy their enemies through the Civil court process and are abusing the rules to railroad these cases through.   People who oppose this unchecked establishment power are being destroyed.  Obvious this is not the same as putting them on trains and putting them in gas chambers,  but the result is the same, their enemies are destroyed and silenced.

  These bastards control certain court systems.  They control the upper leadership in the FBI/DOJ/CIA.  They control the availability of most of the information we have access to in the internet.  They control all the major news sources. They control what is taught in virtually all institutions of higher learning.  As long as these establishment forces can control who is president, they have the power to systematically destroy our freedoms.  Our Constitutional protections are hanging on by a thread. 

Yes. I 100 percent know we are at an advance stage of an authoritarian government being instituted.   Obviously not the exact same tactics as used by past authoritarian regimes, but  insatiably expanding their authoritarian power until their power is absolute. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

Anyone who defends Alex Jones tells you what kind of person they are.

[League Champion 1,911]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Anyone who defends Alex Jones tells you what kind of person they are.

You voted for Joe Biden. That tells me EXACTLY what kind of person you are. 

[jonmx 2,429]

10 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Anyone who defends Alex Jones tells you what kind of person they are.

What it does it tell me what an ignorent piece of crap you are.  All people regardless of what you think about them deserve to be treated fairly by our justice system.   You have your tongue all the way up the butts of your leftist authoritarian bastard masters.   Enjoy the eating.

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

38 minutes ago, jonmx said:

This is the new justice system in the United States.   Conservatives have no right to a trial.  

This started with Alex Jones.  The judge simply declared him guilty based on his words.  None of the other elements required for defamation were allowed to be disputed in front of a jury.  The only role the jury played was to set the award.  This worked marvelously and they got an obscene jury award of around $1 billion despite Jones not physically harming anyone.

The did the same thing to Rudy Giulliani.  The judge declared him guilty of defamation without allowing any defense and they went to jury, and again getting an obscene award of $148 million for hurting the feeling of a election working who did some very strange things.  Both these awards were unheard of amounts, but were railroaded through.

 

Neither Jones or Giulliani put up a defense. 

Alex Jones declines to put on a defense in defamation trial

Giuliani not contesting making false statements about Georgia election workers

It's pretty easy to claim we are under authoritarian rule, when you just disregard actual events. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

From the Colorado opinion.  Going to fun watching SCOTUS work this out...

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"As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office,'" the state opinion reads.

 

[jonmx 2,429]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Neither Jones or Giulliani put up a defense. 

Alex Jones declines to put on a defense in defamation trial

Giuliani not contesting making false statements about Georgia election workers

It's pretty easy to claim we are under authoritarian rule, when you just disregard actual events. 

Giuliani did not deny he made the statements.  But that is much different than surrendering your right to a jury trial.  In a defamation case there are a lot more defenses such as knowledge and intent which need to be proven, but were bypassed by a corrupt judge hellbent at destroying Rudy. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

@jonmx has been bringing it lately. Great stuff.  

[jonmx 2,429]

7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

From the Colorado opinion.  Going to fun watching SCOTUS work this out...

 

Not one bit interesting. Gorsuch was just stating the obvious.  What Coloado did was much different because it is using a new interpretation of the law and are by-passing all legal due process in this new and unprecedented application of the law.  

[Alias Detective 1,402]

10 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

However, I do fully expect that the US Supreme Court will reverse the decision, and it may even be correct to do so 

May?  Bwahahahahah 

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

On Tuesday, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled that former President Donald Trump is barred from reclaiming the presidency under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment , which prohibits people who “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion” from holding political office. That argument has gained traction in some legal circles in recent months thanks in part to the work of J. Michael Luttig, a prominent conservative legal scholar and former judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, who, together with the liberal law professor Laurence Tribe, promoted the idea that the 14th Amendment disqualifies Trump from seeking a second term.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/21/luttig-14th-amendment-trump-00132792

[squistion 2,203]

9 hours ago, Fireballer said:

That’s literally what Colorado did, you idiot

No, it isn't. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

If you can’t beat him, cheat him.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

If you can’t beat him, cheat him.  

Biden already beat him in a landslide

[seafoam1 3,031]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Biden already beat him in a landslide

Sure. biden getting his ass kicked in every swing state until after the polls closed and they locked the door and pulled down the shutters. Then all of a sudden truck loads of biden only ballots started rolling in. 

You've been had peanut.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Sure. biden getting his ass kicked in every swing state until after the polls closed and they locked the door and pulled down the shutters. Then all of a sudden truck loads of biden only ballots started rolling in. 

You've been had peanut.

OMG! You should take this info to the courts and Fox News. You are onto something big here. I love this for you!

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

9 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

If you can’t beat him, cheat him.  

It's Republicans keeping out of the primary.  Nothing to do with Biden.

[Mike Hunt 282]

14 hours ago, squistion said:

That won't happen, you just can't remove someone from a ballot because you disagree with policy decisions that they have made. 

 

 The reason given is Biden has put the country is jeopardy and at risk by ignoring federal laws on immigration and the disaster going on at our borders. Border states feel that gives them the right to remove Biden from their ballots.  Every state has their own supreme court.  If they vote in favor of removing Biden he is gone just like Trump. 

Colorado opened a can of worms.  

 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

25 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Biden already beat him in a landslide

If you cannot recognize the 2020 election was a sham at this point, I can’t help you. 

[zsasz 369]

7 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

 The reason given is Biden has put the country is jeopardy and at risk by ignoring federal laws on immigration and the disaster going on at our borders. Border states feel that gives them the right to remove Biden from their ballots.  Every state has their own supreme court.  If they vote in favor of removing Biden he is gone just like Trump. 

Colorado opened a can of worms.  

 

 

What happened to the wall that was built?  I thought that thing was impenetrable?  

[zsasz 369]

23 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Sure. biden getting his ass kicked in every swing state until after the polls closed and they locked the door and pulled down the shutters. Then all of a sudden truck loads of biden only ballots started rolling in. 

You've been had peanut.

Biden won.  Cope better.  

[League Champion 1,911]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Tuesday, the Colorado Supreme Court ruled that former President Donald Trump is barred from reclaiming the presidency under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment

You do understand that all of this means nothing right? It's just political posturing, Trump will get Lawyered up, Colorado will waste taxpayers money and Lawyer up, it makes for cute little headlines and fires up both bases. 

All for what??? He's running and Pedocrats are scared to death! That's what it's really about. 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You do understand that all of this means nothing right? It's just political posturing, Trump will get Lawyered up, Colorado will waste taxpayers money and Lawyer up, it makes for cute little headlines and fires up both bases. 

All for what??? He's running and Pedocrats are scared to death! That's what it's really about. 

 

Eminem is Not Afraid.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

The Republican party should just not run anyone in Colorado and just do a write-in campaign.  Force the Colorado officials to count a million write-in ballots.

[League Champion 1,911]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Eminem is Not Afraid.  

Ehhh, he is a Snowflake Lib. He's probably a little afraid. 

[Ron_Artest 1,539]

17 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

 The reason given is Biden has put the country is jeopardy and at risk by ignoring federal laws on immigration and the disaster going on at our borders. Border states feel that gives them the right to remove Biden from their ballots.  Every state has their own supreme court.  If they vote in favor of removing Biden he is gone just like Trump. 

Colorado opened a can of worms.  

 

Congrats, you are the author of the dumbest post today!

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Congrats, you are the author of the dumbest post today!

Pedocrats having Gay Butt Sex on the Senate Floor wins everyday, regardless.

That one's never going away

[jonmx 2,429]

20 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

 The reason given is Biden has put the country is jeopardy and at risk by ignoring federal laws on immigration and the disaster going on at our borders. Border states feel that gives them the right to remove Biden from their ballots.  Every state has their own supreme court.  If they vote in favor of removing Biden he is gone just like Trump. 

Colorado opened a can of worms.  

 

 

We have way too much power being wielded by unelected judges and bureaucrats which lack any accountability.  The authoritarians are taking over this country.  

[RLLD 4,230]

24 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

 The reason given is Biden has put the country is jeopardy and at risk by ignoring federal laws on immigration and the disaster going on at our borders. Border states feel that gives them the right to remove Biden from their ballots.  Every state has their own supreme court.  If they vote in favor of removing Biden he is gone just like Trump. 

Colorado opened a can of worms.  

 

Correct......nothing against you....but....I did not think anyone on this forearm would be able to make this connection.  Some right-wingnut group could now push something through a more conservative court in tit-for-tat fashion.

When you abuse the system, you open yourself up to abuse as well....this point seems to be lost on liberals. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

21 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Correct......nothing against you....but....I did not think anyone on this forearm would be able to make this connection.  Some right-wingnut group could now push something through a more conservative court in tit-for-tat fashion.

When you abuse the system, you open yourself up to abuse as well....this point seems to be lost on liberals. 

Imagine if DeSantis orchestrated something like this. Libs would lose it fully. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,438]

Poor Gutterboy. He’s sad. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

38 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The Republican party should just not run anyone in Colorado and just do a write-in campaign.  Force the Colorado officials to count a million write-in ballots.

Lots of crayons being used IMO.

[RLLD 4,230]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Imagine if DeSantis orchestrated something like this. Libs would lose it fully. 

Of course....the Liberals are "good".....they are "right".....when they do something, no matter how vile....its in pursuit of "goodness"....and thus anything they might do is justified.... conversely, anything their opponents do....and I mean.....ANYTHING....is evil.

Sound like a religion?

[squistion 2,203]

1 hour ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

 The reason given is Biden has put the country is jeopardy and at risk by ignoring federal laws on immigration and the disaster going on at our borders. Border states feel that gives them the right to remove Biden from their ballots.  Every state has their own supreme court.  If they vote in favor of removing Biden he is gone just like Trump. 

Colorado opened a can of worms.  

 

They may feel that way, but the Constitution does not give them that right, unlike an act of insurrection. 

[League Champion 1,911]

Just now, squistion said:

act of insurrection. 

What Insurrection?