The dirty trick both parties have pulled on Americans | Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

[edjr 5,568]

 

[wiffleball 4,647]

Well, at least I didn't dig up my dead martyred relatives footage for some kind of tangential blessing to my own warped power grasp.

[MDC 5,895]

What’s wrong with his voice? It hurts to listen to him.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,529]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

What’s wrong with his voice? It hurts to listen to him.

Yeah, agreed.  He sounds like sh#t.

[weepaws 2,461]

Red team, Blue team, team trump, team biden = same team.  Amen. 

[edjr 5,568]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

What’s wrong with his voice? It hurts to listen to him.

spasmodic dysphonia

[MDC 5,895]

13 minutes ago, edjr said:

spasmodic dysphonia

My wife told me he used to be a junkie. Sort of fits.

[shorepatrol 1,737]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

My wife told me he used to be a junkie. Sort of fits.

His narative doesn't fit yours , BOOM,  "he's a junkie" 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/rfk-jr-speaks-candidly-gravelly-100014929.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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24 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

His narative doesn't fit yours , BOOM,  "he's a junkie" 

Nope, he used to be a junkie.    Nice try though.   And by "nice", I mean, get that weak sh1t out of here.

[Ron_Artest 682]

 

[Voltaire 4,564]

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

Kennedy gives people who don't like either candidate a place to park a vote. Unlike Biden, Trump has people who actually like him, so hopefully RFK pulls more from Biden.

[IGotWorms 3,317]

1 hour ago, shorepatrol said:

His narative doesn't fit yours , BOOM,  "he's a junkie" 

Man, you guys really love your charlatans

[Hardcore troubadour 12,664]

The democrats are the ones that have kept him off the ballot. They pulled dirty tricks against Bernie too. You’re not allowed to vote what you want to. You can vote for what we give you. Now shut up and do it. 

[The Real timschochet 2,955]

Crazy anti-vaxxer chock full of conspiracy theories, some of them anti-Semitic. Dishonor to his family and a vote for him in any battleground state is a vote for Trump. 
 

That being said I love his wife (Cheryl Hines from Curb Your Enthusiasm). 

[The Real timschochet 2,955]

He’s pissed at Biden for “censoring” him. The form of the censor? After Kennedy suggested on Twitter that Hank Aaron died from the Covid vaccine (absolutely no evidence of this) Biden’s White House contracted Twitter and requested they correct the unfounded accusation. 
To RFK (and @Jon_mx) that’s censorship. 

[jonmx 1,595]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

He’s pissed at Biden for “censoring” him. The form of the censor? After Kennedy suggested on Twitter that Hank Aaron died from the Covid vaccine (absolutely no evidence of this) Biden’s White House contracted Twitter and requested they correct the unfounded accusation. 
To RFK (and @Jon_mx) that’s censorship. 

 

How is it not censorship?   How can leftists be so dumb, and I am 100 percent fuking serious.  How can you be this stupid?  The modern leftist are buying into 1984 big brother authoritarianism and see nothing wrong.  The most branch powerful government in the history of the world should not be allowed to be the Ministry of Truth. But yet we have hundreds of federal employees who scour the internet and provides lists to social media of thousands of posts to pull.  Almost all of them relate to politics and have nothing to do with child porn, terrorism, or violence.  

You have become an absolutist in your bootlicking for this 24/7 surveillance and censorship of a big brother authoritarianism.

This is not about one post around Hank Aaron.  This is about millions of posts on hundreds of topics which dare to criticize the ever expanding power of the feds.  If I personally have had hundreds of posts censorship, that projects to a massive level of censorship across the country which is destroying free speech.   

Seriously, stop being stupid and wake the fuk up.   Unaccountable all-powerful government agencies which secretly track and censors average law-abiding citizens is not our friends. 

[The Real timschochet 2,955]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

 

How is it not censorship?   How can leftists be so dumb, and I am 100 percent fuking serious.  How can you be this stupid?  The modern leftist are buying into 1984 big brother authoritarianism and see nothing wrong.  The most branch powerful government in the history of the world should not be allowed to be the Ministry of Truth. But yet we have hundreds of federal employees who scour the internet and provides lists to social media of thousands of posts to pull.  Almost all of them relate to politics and have nothing to do with child porn, terrorism, or violence.  

You have become an absolutist in your bootlicking for this 24/7 surveillance and censorship of a big brother authoritarianism.

This is not about one post around Hank Aaron.  This is about millions of posts on hundreds of topics which dare to criticize the ever expanding power of the feds.  If I personally have had hundreds of posts censorship, that projects to a massive level of censorship across the country which is destroying free speech.   

Seriously, stop being stupid and wake the fuk up.   Unaccountable all-powerful government agencies which secretly track and censors average law-abiding citizens is not our friends. 

Do you believe at all in the principle of public health? That it’s the proper role for government to attempt to fight  disease in the same way terrorism and crime is fought, with public advice, restrictions, and sometimes when necessary even forcing people to take medication? 
 

If you don’t agree with this general principle, as I do, then fine but we really have nothing more to discuss. But if you do agree with it, then it’s proper for government to attempt to correct ignorant statements that harm the overall effort: and yes there are times when that can be more important than free speech. 

[Engorgeous George 1,185]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you believe at all in the principle of public health? That it’s the proper role for government to attempt to fight  disease in the same way terrorism and crime is fought, with public advice, restrictions, and sometimes when necessary even forcing people to take medication? 
 

If you don’t agree with this general principle, as I do, then fine but we really have nothing more to discuss. But if you do agree with it, then it’s proper for government to attempt to correct ignorant statements that harm the overall effort: and yes there are times when that can be more important than free speech. 

Forced medication for the health of the public body as a whole.  How is that different than forced sterilization of those judged inferior for the benefit of the population as a whole.  I believe there is a threshold here and that threshold is where force becomes involved.

Why not force vacinations on migrants?

I might go so far as to sanction incentivized or coerced through withholding emmolients, but forced, nope.  Now this may be what you meant, but it is not what you said, you said forced

How do we know the government has objective truth and that disseminating that is more important than free speech, the very constitutional function meant to test thought through considered public evaluation?  

I agree it is problematic now where idots can speak and have it widely broadcast through the power of social meida, but to me that is not an argument for restricting speech, It is an argument for meeting that speech with considered speech. 

[The Real timschochet 2,955]

7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Forced medication for the health of the public body as a whole.  How is that different than forced sterilization of those judged inferior for the benefit of the population as a whole.  I believe there is a threshold here and that threshold is where force becomes involved.

Why not force vacinations on migrants?

I might go so far as to sanction incentivized or coerced through withholding emmolients, but forced, nope.  Now this may be what you meant, but it is not what you said, you said forced

How do we know the government has objective truth and that disseminating that is more important than free speech, the very constitutional function meant to test thought through considered public evaluation?  

I agree it is problematic now where idots can speak and have it widely broadcast through the power of social meida, but to me that is not an argument for restricting speech, It is an argument for meeting that speech with considered speech. 

With regard to your question about migrants my answer is yes. At Ellis Island we forced immigrants to take tuberculosis shots. Whats wrong with that principle? 

Im not for censorship. In the case that RFK called censorship, all the government did was ask Twitter to issue a correction. They did not ask that RFKs statement be removed or banned. If they had I would have a big problem with it. But what they did wasn’t censorship. 

As to your overall point I agree. I’m extremely reluctant to have the government force anything and I agree that it crosses a dangerous threshold. Even so sometimes it’s necessary. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,664]

Why was the FBI meeting numerous time with Twitter and telling them what not to print? 

[Engorgeous George 1,185]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

With regard to your question about migrants my answer is yes. At Ellis Island we forced immigrants to take tuberculosis shots. Whats wrong with that principle? Not a damn thing.  Why we don't do so now is beyond me.

Im not for censorship. In the case that RFK called censorship, all the government did was ask Twitter to issue a correction. They did not ask that RFKs statement be removed or banned. If they had I would have a big problem with it. But what they did wasn’t censorship. Government "suggesting" a stance on an issue to a private corporation given government's massive coercive powers is a dangerous thing in my mind.  also, one man's "correction" is another mans lie and suppression of truthful information.  It is government deciding or arbitrating truth.  You seem fine with it when your party is in power but you would see the danger if the other party were in power.  Me, since I side with neither party I see the danger of either arbitrating truth. 

As to your overall point I agree. I’m extremely reluctant to have the government force anything and I agree that it crosses a dangerous threshold. Even so sometimes it’s necessary. I believe there are thresholds that only go one direction.  Like fire doors you can go out them but you cannot get back in.  If we give up our constitutional principles (which I think we already have, many times) we can't go back.  I believe our american experiment has failed.  I believe this was inevitable. I hope i am wrong about us not being able to go back.  i don't think I am.  When recognition of this becomes common I wonder what we will become.  I don't believe I will be around but my kids and grandkids certainly will.  maybe after many struggles a new American experiment trying new rules of law will arise, who knows.  i am off to kayak.  Days are open and skies are free, for now.  i believe I will take advangage.

 

[jonmx 1,595]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you believe at all in the principle of public health? That it’s the proper role for government to attempt to fight  disease in the same way terrorism and crime is fought, with public advice, restrictions, and sometimes when necessary even forcing people to take medication? 
 

If you don’t agree with this general principle, as I do, then fine but we really have nothing more to discuss. But if you do agree with it, then it’s proper for government to attempt to correct ignorant statements that harm the overall effort: and yes there are times when that can be more important than free speech. 

The role of government administering health care needs to be vigorously debated in open public with public input, not decided by government agencies in secret behind closed doors with illegal deals being made with big Pharma.  These vaccines the government tried to force on people with lie after lie after lie being told.  The testing on these vaccines were completely inadequate and were even pushed onto children with no testing for their long-term safety.  We are now seeing unexplained large spikes in heart issues along with other issues which are now being linked to the vaccines.   Your blind trust in government elitists and your spite towards free speech is once again noted.  

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12 hours ago, shorepatrol said:

His narative doesn't fit yours , BOOM,  "he's a junkie" 

His admitted last addiction to heroin is what made him a junkie.  

[jonmx 1,595]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

 I believe there are thresholds that only go one direction.  Like fire doors you can go out them but you cannot get back in.  If we give up our constitutional principles (which I think we already have, many times) we can't go back.  I believe our american experiment has failed.  I believe this was inevitable. I hope i am wrong about us not being able to go back.  i don't think I am.  When recognition of this becomes common I wonder what we will become.  I don't believe I will be around but my kids and grandkids certainly will.  maybe after many struggles a new American experiment trying new rules of law will arise, who knows.  i am off to kayak.  Days are open and skies are free, for now.  i believe I will take advangage.

 

We haven't quite crossed that threshold yet.  I think the elite ruling class believe we have crossed it with their brazen abuses of power, but there is still hope.  Our federal executive agencies are completely out of control and have been given way too much power.

Will Trump solve it?   Gutting these agencies leadership and replacing them is a temporary fix.  These agencies are in dire need to total transparency and accountability.   Changing leadership does not solve that.   Government agencies operate under the absolute worst business model which rewards power grabs and inefficiencies.  They will always end up hopelessly inefficient and corrupt unless there is massive structural changes, courts stop rubber stamping their BS and Congress takes some of their teeth away.  

It is promising that two of the leading presidential candidates at least have some grasp of the problem and people are being educated.   The elite establishment are practically locked into a corner with a truly pathetic candidate.   Trump is in great position to win, but there is not anything I would put anything past the elite establishment and assassination is completely on the table.  

 

[The Real timschochet 2,955]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

The role of government administering health care needs to be vigorously debated in open public with public input, not decided by government agencies in secret behind closed doors with illegal deals being made with big Pharma.  These vaccines the government tried to force on people with lie after lie after lie being told.  The testing on these vaccines were completely inadequate and were even pushed onto children with no testing for their long-term safety.  We are now seeing unexplained large spikes in heart issues along with other issues which are now being linked to the vaccines.   Your blind trust in government elitists and your spite towards free speech is once again noted.  

I would argue that when a pandemic or other health emergency occurs there is no time for a lengthy public debate. At that point society either follows the lead of the experts or it doesn’t survive. Our response to Covid doesn’t bode well for our ability to deal with future emergencies. 

[edjr 5,568]

Both sides dislike him? That is why he's perfect for POTUS

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10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The democrats are the ones that have kept him off the ballot. They pulled dirty tricks against Bernie too. You’re not allowed to vote what you want to. You can vote for what we give you. Now shut up and do it. 

lol, you think that’s unique to one party?

Talk about naive

[IGotWorms 3,317]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Forced medication for the health of the public body as a whole.  How is that different than forced sterilization of those judged inferior for the benefit of the population as a whole.  I believe there is a threshold here and that threshold is where force becomes involved.

 

How are you being forced?

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He's part of the club. 

[jonmx 1,595]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I would argue that when a pandemic or other health emergency occurs there is no time for a lengthy public debate. At that point society either follows the lead of the experts or it doesn’t survive. Our response to Covid doesn’t bode well for our ability to deal with future emergencies. 

If rash decisions had to be made, the answer is not to censor debate of those raising concerns and to lie about your certainty of data that you don't even have.   I have no idea why you trust these bastards, but Fauci ranks up there with the most corrupt beauracrat of all-time who has his fingerprints over millions of deaths.   Sorry, but these so-called experts you trust have their hands elbow deep in the cookie jar.   

We need TRANSPARENCY and ACOUNTABILITY now within every executive agency or we will be back in serfdom.   These agencies are filled with blood-sucking turds who don't give one crap about people and their rights.   Unless a majority of people wake up to this, we are doomed.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,664]

3 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

lol, you think that’s unique to one party?

Talk about naive

Have an example of the right doing it? I just gave two of the left.  

[Engorgeous George 1,185]

5 hours ago, jonmx said:

 

We haven't quite crossed that threshold yet.  I think the elite ruling class believe we have crossed it with their brazen abuses of power, but there is still hope.  Our federal executive agencies are completely out of control and have been given way too much power.

Will Trump solve it?   Gutting these agencies leadership and replacing them is a temporary fix.  These agencies are in dire need to total transparency and accountability.   Changing leadership does not solve that.   Government agencies operate under the absolute worst business model which rewards power grabs and inefficiencies.  They will always end up hopelessly inefficient and corrupt unless there is massive structural changes, courts stop rubber stamping their BS and Congress takes some of their teeth away.  

It is promising that two of the leading presidential candidates at least have some grasp of the problem and people are being educated.   The elite establishment are practically locked into a corner with a truly pathetic candidate.   Trump is in great position to win, but there is not anything I would put anything past the elite establishment and assassination is completely on the table.  

 

Trump is not the man to solve the problem in my estimation.  I don't know who is.

[Engorgeous George 1,185]

4 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

How are you being forced?

Tim's word, not mine

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16 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Man, you guys really love your charlatans

Is the left just one ironic statement after the other?

[jonmx 1,595]

56 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Trump is not the man to solve the problem in my estimation.  i don't know who is.

But he is.   We need someone so pissed off the Washington establishment he will burn it to the ground.  Who is not afraid to pull away the curtain and expose our corrupt evil anti-American intelligence agencies who have been covering up both domestic and international assassinations.    We have created agencies that are in the mold of the NAZI SS.   

If you think someone like DeSantis can fix it, you are grossly mistaken.  All he would do is tweak things

[Engorgeous George 1,185]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

But he is.   We need someone so pissed off the Washington establishment he will burn it to the ground.  Who is not afraid to pull away the curtain and expose our corrupt evil anti-American intelligence agencies who have been covering up both domestic and international assassinations.    We have created agencies that are in the mold of the NAZI SS.  

We differ, you and I.   

[Hardcore troubadour 12,664]

3 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Trump is not the man to solve the problem in my estimation.  I don't know who is.

Well, you’ll be counting on Kamala then. 

[Engorgeous George 1,185]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, you’ll be counting on Kamala then. 

No.  I would not trust her to pick up after my dog, more less to be President.