Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

[Mark Davis 398]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I fear hysterics from each side of the spectrum may behave very badly and potentially even violently upon a verdict.  Folks seem very worked up and very much tribally aligned.  I would just stay far away from the courthouse if I lived in New York. 

Yeah I agree with you.  I feel the same way when we get to November.  It's not going to be pretty either way.  I'm not so sure we don't have some leading up to November as well.

[squistion 2,203]

7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I fear hysterics from each side of the spectrum may behave very badly and potentially even violently upon a verdict.  Folks seem very worked up and very much tribally aligned.  I would just stay far away from the courthouse if I lived in New York. 

I don't see any violence coming from the left even if Trump is acquitted of all charges.

I saw Chris Hayes on MSNBC last night and he said (paraphrasing) that no matter what the jury verdict is, this trial shows that the legal system worked and that no one is above the law. 

[The Real timschochet 6,779]

It’s got to be really hard on this judge. Constantly demeaned and attacked as corrupt and incompetent. Torn apart by Fox News and other right wing pundits on a daily basis. And all the time he’s trying his best to be fair and impartial. And I haven’t even mentioned the death threats. It’s really disgusting. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

37 minutes ago, squistion said:

I don't see any violence coming from the left even if Trump is acquitted of all charges.

I saw Chris Hayes on MSNBC last night and he said (paraphrasing) that no matter what the jury verdict is, this trial shows that the legal system worked and that no one is above the law. 

Well said. Hopefully there are enough people left in this country who can still respect the verdict, whatever it may be

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Well said. Hopefully there are enough people left in this country who can still respect the verdict, whatever it may be

Whatever it may be - I'm still busting up a Best Buy and getting a 90inch. 

[MDC 7,444]

23 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Well said. Hopefully there are enough people left in this country who can still respect the verdict, whatever it may be

 fat chance

Edit: Trump always cries bias, fraud, witch hunt etc. preemptively. Then if things don’t go his way he’s already got his built in excuse and his MAGAmooks have been activated.

There is a 0% chance that Trump or his supporters would ever under any circumstance respect the verdict. Just like there’s a 0% chance they won’t cry fraud in November even if he wins.

Some people are just sobby victim twatholes.  

[Beaker15 242]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s got to be really hard on this judge. Constantly demeaned and attacked as corrupt and incompetent. Torn apart by Fox News and other right wing pundits on a daily basis. And all the time he’s trying his best to be fair and impartial. And I haven’t even mentioned the death threats. It’s really disgusting. 

And how exactly do you believe he is trying to be fair and impartial?  Have you followed the trial at all?

[Tree of Knowledge 1,864]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s got to be really hard on this judge. Constantly demeaned and attacked as corrupt and incompetent. Torn apart by Fox News and other right wing pundits on a daily basis. And all the time he’s trying his best to be fair and impartial. And I haven’t even mentioned the death threats. It’s really disgusting. 

Who paid for all those signs Bilbo Baggins had in they/them’s satchel?  I highly doubt they were procured at Kinko’s in middle earth.  The trolling is a well financed operation.  

[thegeneral 3,217]

Bad news for Donald.

The lawyer who botched his lawsuit with the woman Trump sexually assaulted thinks the jury asking for information in the manner they have is a good sign for him.

 

[jonmx 2,429]

28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s got to be really hard on this judge. Constantly demeaned and attacked as corrupt and incompetent. Torn apart by Fox News and other right wing pundits on a daily basis. And all the time he’s trying his best to be fair and impartial. And I haven’t even mentioned the death threats. It’s really disgusting. 

Can you get your tongue any deeper up this guy's butt?  The amount of ignorance not to see this case is a massive abuse of the justice system is mind blowing.   

[Tree of Knowledge 1,864]

39 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s got to be really hard on this judge. Constantly demeaned and attacked as corrupt and incompetent. Torn apart by Fox News and other right wing pundits on a daily basis. And all the time he’s trying his best to be fair and impartial. And I haven’t even mentioned the death threats. It’s really disgusting. 

 

Judge is just following orders.  Reminds me of some folks we read about in the 1940’s.  

[MDC 7,444]

6 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

 

Judge is just following orders.  Reminds me of some folks we read about in the 1940’s.  

Literally Hitler!  

[The Real timschochet 6,779]

36 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

And how exactly do you believe he is trying to be fair and impartial?  Have you followed the trial at all?

Yes I’ve followed it pretty closely. Most objective observers believe the judge is doing a very good and fair job. Only Trump sycophants feel otherwise. 

[squistion 2,203]

36 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

And how exactly do you believe he is trying to be fair and impartial?  Have you followed the trial at all?

If he has been reading my updates by Katie Phang, then he has been right on top of it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,779]

41 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Who paid for all those signs Bilbo Baggins had in they/them’s satchel?  I highly doubt they were procured at Kinko’s in middle earth.  The trolling is a well financed operation.  

Here is the culprit: 

https://youtu.be/QuQbus0xfhk?si=jHvjger7PvPF0Aft

[Tree of Knowledge 1,864]

Awesome

 

 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes I’ve followed it pretty closely. Most objective observers believe the judge is doing a very good and fair job. Only Trump sycophants feel otherwise. 

Are these "objective observers" actually indifferent to Trump?  I can't imagine it's easy to find someone indifferent that is actually following this case closely.

[squistion 2,203]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1796267459005043194

So the update is that there is no update. The jury continues to deliberate. Recall: yesterday, Judge Merchan told the jurors that they would stay until 6 pm ET today. Let's see if there is any activity before then...

[Tree of Knowledge 1,864]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

If he has been reading my updates by Katie Phang, then he has been right on top of it. 

 

What is Katie Phang's political party?

Katie Phang is a Democratic political commentator and former politician. She served as a Democratic member of the Illinois House of Representatives from 2001 to 2003. 

Phang is a vocal critic of the Republican Party and has been a frequent guest on MSNBC and CNN. 

In 2018, Phang ran for Congress in Illinois' 14th Congressional District but lost in the Democratic primary.

[Strike 5,555]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes I’ve followed it pretty closely. Most objective observers believe the judge is doing a very good and fair job. Only Trump sycophants feel otherwise. 

Sure you have

[The Real timschochet 6,779]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are these "objective observers" actually indifferent to Trump?  I can't imagine it's easy to find someone indifferent that is actually following this case closely.

I don’t think they’re indifferent. Indifference and objectivity are two very different things. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think they’re indifferent. Indifference and objectivity are two very different things. 

The majority of people either like Trump or they don't.  It's going to affect how they feel the job the judge has done.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

Whatever it may be - I'm still busting up a Best Buy and getting a 90inch. 

Good point.  I should be prepositioned near one to get the prime selection.  I never plan ahead but with your reminder I can.

[squistion 2,203]

 https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1796274169727901984

New on @MSNBC:

Judge Merchan is going to excuse the jury today at 4:30pm.

[jonmx 2,429]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The majority of people either like Trump or they don't.  It's going to affect how they feel the job the judge has done.

You can look at this very objectively:

1.  Has anyone ever been charged for a memo on a check?

2.  Has any state ever charged someone with a felony based on an alledged violation of a federal law?

3.  Has anyone ever been charged for a felony for a crime which is not outlined in the charges and the jury does not have to even agree what it is?

You either believe that American justice system should be blind and all people should be treated equally under the law or you believe this case is justice.   This case is objectively horrendous in so many aspects.   Everyone knows no one except Trump would have been charged given the facts in this case.  The prosecution had to dig deep to come up with this pile of manure.....and have a corrupt judge to buy into it.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You can look at this very objectively:

1.  Has anyone ever been charged for a memo on a check?

2.  Has any state ever charged someone with a felony based on an alledged violation of a federal law?

3.  Has anyone ever been charged for a felony for a crime which is not outlined in the charges and the jury does not have to even agree what it is?

You either believe that American justice system should be blind and all people should be treated equally under the law or you believe this case is justice.   This case is objectively horrendous in so many aspects.   Everyone knows no one except Trump would have been charged given the facts in this case.  The prosecution had to dig deep to come up with this pile of manure.....and have a corrupt judge to buy into it.  

The real question is, did any of it have an effect on the election?

[squistion 2,203]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

You can look at this very objectively:

1.  Has anyone ever been charged for a memo on a check?

2.  Has any state ever charged someone with a felony based on an alledged violation of a federal law?

3.  Has anyone ever been charged for a felony for a crime which is not outlined in the charges and the jury does not have to even agree what it is?

You either believe that American justice system should be blind and all people should be treated equally under the law or you believe this case is justice.   This case is objectively horrendous in so many aspects.   Everyone knows no one except Trump would have been charged given the facts in this case.  The prosecution had to dig deep to come up with this pile of manure.....and have a corrupt judge to buy into it.  

1. It is reasonable to believe that it has happened.

2. Is that the case here? 

3. The jury has to unanimously agree what the crime is here, but they don't have to agree on the means used to achieve it. 

[HellToupee 1,783]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

I am sure he does. 

 

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

VERDICT!@#$%

[squistion 2,203]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1796279941786415124

WE HAVE A VERDICT.

[squistion 2,203]

https://x.com/VerdictsOnly/status/1796280509888348229

STAND BY FOR THE VERDICT

JURY NEEDS 30 MINUTES TO FILL OUT THE VERDICT FORM

[jonmx 2,429]

11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The real question is, did any of it have an effect on the election?

Why is that a question?  

1.  Election interference is a federal crime and a state can no prosecute for it.

2.  Election interference laws are civil war era laws which covers the crime of preventing people from voting.  It has nothing to do with influencing an election. 

The whole basis of this case is to insinuate running an election campaign to influence an election is somehow illegal.   It is a perfectly legal act which is why it was not prosecuted at the federal level.

[The Real timschochet 6,779]

1. Not a hung jury. 
 

Therefore I’m guessing conviction. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Well a hung jury is now off the table given reports.  Has to be guilty or not guilty.  I thought Trump's best chance was a hung jury but who can say.

[jonmx 2,429]

13 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

3. The jury has to unanimously agree what the crime is here, but they don't have to agree on the means used to achieve it. 

You lying focking moron.  It has to do with rather Trump violated some tax law, some election campaign contribution violation, or some election interference law.  That is neither a means or a reason, you bottomless bag of crap. Those are laws which require specific acts to violate them.  

[jonmx 2,429]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Well a hung jury is now off the table given reports.  Has to be guilty or not guilty.  I thought Trump's best chance was a hung jury but who can say.

Based on the absurd jury instructions, it is hard to believe they could all find him innocent.  Pick a crime, any crime.   And none of those crimes had their elements defined in the instructions.  

[squistion 2,203]

Just now, jonmx said:

Based on the absurd jury instructions, it is hard to believe they could all find him innocent.  Pick a crime, any crime.   And none of those crime elements were even defined.  

They don't have to find him all innocent. He might be found guilty on some of the 34 counts and not guilty on others.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Based on the absurd jury instructions, it is hard to believe they could all find him innocent.  Pick a crime, any crime.   And none of those crime elements were even defined.  

WE will find out soon enough.  I tend to agree that this jury, with these instructions and the evidence admitted is going to convict.  I could well be wrong, but that is what I foresee.  I also foresee the verdict being overturned on appeal for any number of reasons but by then our history will already have been irreversibly effected.

[squistion 2,203]

Attorney Andrew Weissmann on MSNBC is speculating that the 30 minutes they need to fill out the forms is because there is split verdict (not all guilty or all not guilty).

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

They don't have to find him all innocent. He might be found guilty on some of the 34 counts and not guilty on others.

Technically yes, but I simply do not see that happening, but who knows?  Your guess is as good as mine.