“I Can’t Breathe” Yet another black man dies at the hands of police

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

Just now, MLCKAA said:

In short, you’re not willing to consider a different perspective.  That’s OK.

Your first paragraph above, whether or not you realize it, is just illuminating that blacks, whites and others in poverty may display different symptoms of the condition.  Blacks in poverty commit more violent crimes than whites in poverty.  You can’t conflate the difference in the way people respond to a stimulus with the idea that they’re experiencing a different stimulus.

The overwhelming social problem is financial inequality and racism pales so dramatically that it is irrelevant in comparison.

Your passion is wasted on a myth.  Wake up and use your considerable cognitive abilities to solve the real problem.  The world needs you.

I’m always willing to consider different perspectives. Thank you for yours. That said, we disagree. We might not disagree on solutions, that remains to be seen. 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Sure, can you provide the statistics for the number of times police approach a residence in a rural area and the police are shot at by the residents vs the number of times police approach a residence in a city and the police are shot at by the residents?  I’d guess the % is actually higher for the rural area, but don’t have the numbers handy.

Ok. When you figure that out, get back to everyone. In the mean time, your comments are a joke AND wrong. 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think that black males are restrained for too long. I think when somebody says he can’t breathe there should be a quicker response and there often is not for young black men. This was supposed to be addressed by the George Floyd Act which conservatives killed, as I pointed out in the OP. It’s an issue of vital concern so no I don’t think I posted too quickly. 

I can’t tell from this article how long he was restrained for or what a reasonable amount of time is to be restrained when you’re resisting arrest. Given that he took out a utility pole and they administered Narcan I’m guessing dide was high. It’s possible the police did this all wrong but without any more info who knows?

Obviousky you posted this to stir chit up.

[TimHauck 2,660]

4 minutes ago, double tour said:

Ok. When you figure that out, get back to everyone. In the mean time, your comments are a joke AND wrong. 

How do you know they’re wrong, do you have the numbers dummy?

[MLCKAA 560]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m always willing to consider different perspectives. Thank you for yours. That said, we disagree. We might not disagree on solutions, that remains to be seen. 

If you were granted a wish and you wished to change hearts, eliminating racism, do you believe the problems of the black community would disappear with it?

Your only genuine answer to this question must be NO.  Anything else is disingenuous.

And this hypothetical reveals the folly of your focus on racism.  If it vanished today there would be only nominal improvement in the lives of blacks because it isn’t really the problem.

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How do you know they’re wrong, do you have the numbers dummy?

You first since you made the claim. Then I'll post mine. 

[TimHauck 2,660]

1 minute ago, double tour said:

You first since you made the claim. Then I'll post mine. 

No that was you.  My first post about it just said “hopefully,” you’re the one that came in telling me to “do the numbers” implying that it was a lower % in rural areas.

[TimHauck 2,660]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think perhaps the reason there are no protests (at least so far) is that blacks are exhausted. What do these protests ever get them? Nothing ever changes. 

In my opinion, generally speaking for these types of incidents the biggest reason for the protests is so that charges are pressed against the officers.

In this case, also in my opinion, they didn’t really appear to do anything wrong.

Earlier @RaiderHaters Revenge said something like “I’ve never seen an upstanding black guy get killed by cops.”  But I’m sure that’s not true if you do a few minutes of research, the most egregious examples don’t often get much press because the officers get charged quickly.  Such as with Walter Scott for example, and there were still some protests for him anyway despite the lackluster memory of some of the Geek Club’s more elderly posters.

[nobody 2,615]

25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Trayvon Martin, 2012, Obama

Eric Garner, 2014, Obama

Michael Brown, 2014, Obama

Tamir Rice, 2014, Obama

Walter Scott, 2015, Obama

Freddie Gray, 2015, Obama

Philando Castile, July 2016, Obama

 

Take the L, gaslighter

Riots, bro.  Riots.  

[TimHauck 2,660]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

Riots, bro.  Riots.  

Good to know there were no riots in Ferguson after Michael Brown and Baltimore after Freddie Gray

[nobody 2,615]

That were squelched quickly. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

America needs to grow up about policing. When shitt goes bad, and it will, deal with it. Tearing down the whole thing and letting criminals run wild isn’t a solution. Hence, liberals shouldn’t be paid any mind on the subject. Their solutions are childish and not thought out.  Raise the standards back, hold the ones in question accountable, and stop saying stupid shitt like the police were invented to catch runaway slaves. Enough. 

[TimHauck 2,660]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

That were squelched quickly. 

Yeah only took about 4 months in Ferguson

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

48 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

If you were granted a wish and you wished to change hearts, eliminating racism, do you believe the problems of the black community would disappear with it?

Your only genuine answer to this question must be NO.  Anything else is disingenuous.

And this hypothetical reveals the folly of your focus on racism.  If it vanished today there would be only nominal improvement in the lives of blacks because it isn’t really the problem.

Of course the answer is no. We’ve had 400 years of slavery and racism. You eliminate that overnight and things don’t change. 
 

But there would be improvement and I disagree that it would be nominal. 

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58 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

In my opinion, generally speaking for these types of incidents the biggest reason for the protests is so that charges are pressed against the officers.

In this case, also in my opinion, they didn’t really appear to do anything wrong.

Earlier @RaiderHaters Revenge said something like “I’ve never seen an upstanding black guy get killed by cops.”  But I’m sure that’s not true if you do a few minutes of research, the most egregious examples don’t often get much press because the officers get charged quickly.  Such as with Walter Scott for example, and there were still some protests for him anyway despite the lackluster memory of some of the Geek Club’s more elderly posters.

At 9:30 a.m., April 4, 2015, in the parking lot of an auto parts store at 1945 Remount Road,^[19] Slager stopped Scott for a non-functioning third brake light.^[20] Scott was driving a 1991 Mercedes, and, according to his brother, was headed to the auto parts store when he was stopped.^[21] The video from Slager's dashcam shows him approaching Scott's car, speaking to Scott, and then returning to his patrol car. Scott exited his car and fled with Slager giving chase on foot.^[22][23]

Slager pursued Scott into a lot behind a pawn shop at 5654 Rivers Avenue,^[19] and the two became involved in a physical altercation. At some point before or during the struggle, Slager fired his Taser, hitting Scott.^[24
 

^{Scott didndonuttin}

 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

So let me see if I understand correctly: I make a cogent argument (whether or not you agree with me I’ve been pretty clear), the response by @Brahma Bulls is “go fock yourself” and you blame me and leftists for regarding him as unworthy of discussion. Is that right? 

 

An ultimatum is not a cogent argument.  In fact, it is not an arguement at all.  It is a demand.  In the post he responded to, you demanded that your premise be accepted without any facts or reasons presented. 

So a go fuk yourself was an appropriate response.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,119]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

In 2015, Walter Scott was unarmed and gunned down in the back by a police officer while fleeing. The incident was caught on video, clear as day. Scott did not have an extensive criminal background.  No riots, no looting, no burning. Makes you go hmmmm.  

See, I clearly say no riots, burning or looting. I never said no protests. But Tim Hack likes to lie as it concerns me. I think it’s because he’s a pervert that showers with children.  

[Engorgeous George 2,236]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think that black males are restrained for too long. I think when somebody says he can’t breathe there should be a quicker response and there often is not for young black men. This was supposed to be addressed by the George Floyd Act which conservatives killed, as I pointed out in the OP. It’s an issue of vital concern so no I don’t think I posted too quickly. 

What if the experience of LEO is that nealry all of their black arrestees since George Floyd immediately go to the "I can't breath" gambit?

[jonmx 2,425]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This was supposed to be addressed by the George Floyd Act which conservatives killed, as I pointed out in the OP. It’s an issue of vital concern so no I don’t think I posted too quickly. 

Thank goodness that atrocity was not passed.   Giving the Justice Department new powers to investigate local police is a horrendous idea that only an authoritarian would love.   If the police fuk up, let the state investigate it.  Garland has turned the Justice Department into a political cluster fuk, even worse than Obama.  And given it was a social warrior in Eric Holder, that is a major hurdle to clear.  I don't want either of those two corrupt bastards within 100 miles of our local police.   

But you love your centralize anti-constitutional power in the hands of rogue unelected bureaucracies.  Seriously, it is an idiotic power structure which has massive inherient flaws and is eroding every freedom we have by the minute.  Not a day goes by where some bureaucracy is not proposing new regulations that strips us of more rights. 

 

[TimHauck 2,660]

33 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

At 9:30 a.m., April 4, 2015, in the parking lot of an auto parts store at 1945 Remount Road,^[19] Slager stopped Scott for a non-functioning third brake light.^[20] Scott was driving a 1991 Mercedes, and, according to his brother, was headed to the auto parts store when he was stopped.^[21] The video from Slager's dashcam shows him approaching Scott's car, speaking to Scott, and then returning to his patrol car. Scott exited his car and fled with Slager giving chase on foot.^[22][23]

Slager pursued Scott into a lot behind a pawn shop at 5654 Rivers Avenue,^[19] and the two became involved in a physical altercation. At some point before or during the struggle, Slager fired his Taser, hitting Scott.^[24
 

^{Scott didndonuttin}

 

Sorry I worded that poorly.  I didn’t mean to say Scott was an example of an “upstanding” black getting killed, I was saying he was an example of the protests not getting out of hand despite an egregious incident because the officer was charged quickly.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,286]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t say Scott was an example of an “upstanding” black getting killed, I was saying he was an example of the protests not getting out of hand because the officer was charged quickly.

Then don’t quote me in a non-sequitar

still waiting for the upstanding hero gunned down by police for being black

[Engorgeous George 2,236]

If you want to curtail these types of encounters you ought to teach black youths to submit peacefully to arrests, not to freak out, argue, resist, or cry out for help when they are not in distress but they foolishly think that escalating the situation will inure to their benefit.  Teach these black youth to submit and to follow directions while their friends film the encounter and call a law firm they have already vetted and have in their phones, a lawfirm that deals with criminal defense and civil rights litigation.  Propagating the myth of institutional racism only leads to ignorant and counterproductive responses to police encounters.  Some here support creating the myth that most encounters will end badly which results in behavior that leads to bad outcomes.  I submit the Tims of the world cause more harm than good.  Well intentioned ignorance often does.

[TimHauck 2,660]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Then don’t quote me in a non-sequitar

still waiting for the upstanding hero gunned down by police for being black

Botham Jean

[TimHauck 2,660]

Great song (sorry accidentally put in wrong thread at first, thanks @Engorgeous George)

 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,236]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Great song (sorry accidentally put in wrong thread at first, thanks @Engorgeous George)

 

 

A mistake I have made myself, and more than once.

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On 4/26/2024 at 10:33 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hypertension, diabetes, obesity, drug addiction, alcoholism.  Some other stuff too probably. 

That doesn't count. Remember, if there's a dead black man, there's an article!

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Here’s an idea - stop committing crimes and stop resisting arrest when you’re caught.

The shooting of innocent blacks is a nonsensical narrative that continues to be pimped by dumbasses like the OP.  You know how many unarmed blacks have been shot and killed by police in the last 3.33 years?  43.  That’s a whopping 13 per year.  And in every case the “victim” wasn’t following directions and did something dangerous.

More than twice as many people die from lightning strikes each year.  It’s a popcorn fart on a windy day.  America knows this is a bullshitt issue which is why there aren’t any protests anymore.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Here’s the thing dumbfock Liberals don’t get…. When someone resists arrest against a cop holstering a gun, that is a life-or-death situation for the cop.  Real simple, dumbasses.

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4 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Here’s the thing dumbfock Liberals don’t get…. When someone resists arrest against a cop holstering a gun, that is a life-or-death situation for the cop.  Real simple, dumbasses.

Say it ain't so. All blacks are innocent of everything until they're proven they vote conservative. 

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Botham Jean

Off duty officer walks into wrong apartment 

[BudBro 175]

On 4/26/2024 at 2:09 PM, weepaws said:

Might be, it’s another way fir the team to get votes for either side.  Conservatives/ Liberals same thoughts, same goals.  

You're a lost soul.  Best you vote for Joe again.

[jerryskids 6,651]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I have no problem agreeing with Fryer. I have never mentioned police shootings in this thread. All of my posts have been about overall treatment. The story in the OP is about a victim who died because he couldn’t breathe, not because he was shot. And deaths at the hands of police are very rare. It’s the overall treatment that I call into question. 

And contrary to what you wrote, I very much like it when science contradicts my beliefs. I’m just not convinced it has done so with regards to transgenders, which I think must be what you’re referring to. 

Others have pointed out that your links, which had no science, talked about police shootings.  But the greater point is that shootings is a great proxy for lethal force, since knees-on-necks are fairly rare.  And there is not difference in such force.

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s been pointed out in this thread, correctly, that other racial groups that suffer from income disparity do not commit crime at the same level that black people do. Poor people are still far more likely than others to commit crimes, but blacks commit crimes at a much higher rate even than other poor people. Therefore I conclude that with blacks it’s a combination of three issues: 

1. income disparity 

2. A long history of mistreatment against them, particularly slavery and Jim Crow, which has created social dysfunction, lack of family structure, etc. 

3. Police and societal mistreatment and racism against black people which continues in this current day. 
 

Keep in mind that the vast majority of African-Americans are law abiding and do not commit violent crimes or any crimes, and yet are still often victims of point #3. And THAT is why I am forced to view these issues with a lens of racism. 

Somehow you missed the most important reason, which is the utterly broken inner city black culture.  It's not about skin color -- Nigerians are the most successful immigrant class currently.  Ethiopians do very well as well.  We've discussed this before:  it's about personal responsibility, commitment to education, and family values. 

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15 minutes ago, BudBro said:

You're a lost soul.  Best you vote for Joe again.

@weepawsis pretty worthless.  He just posts that both sides are evil, put your faith in Jesus.  Yet we still need to pick somebody to run the country.  

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Just now, jerryskids said:

@weepawsis pretty worthless.  He just posts that both sides are evil, put your faith in Jesus.  Yet we still need to pick somebody to run the country.  

This has to be one person with 30 personalities on the bored.  There aren't this many tards walking amongst us.

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On 4/26/2024 at 10:34 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Oh and being held on the ground with a knee to his back. Stop making excuses for bad cops. 

He could've avoided being on the ground with a knee on his back, by complying & exiting the building with LE.

 

[Strike 5,330]

@The Real timschochet thinks police used excessive force in this case:

https://www.fox8live.com/2024/04/28/jpso-sniper-kills-suspect-wanted-allegedly-shooting-6-including-3-kenner-officers/

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45 minutes ago, Strike said:

@The Real timschochet thinks police used excessive force in this case:

https://www.fox8live.com/2024/04/28/jpso-sniper-kills-suspect-wanted-allegedly-shooting-6-including-3-kenner-officers/

A tip of my hat to the Parish Sheriff’s Office SWAT team sniper.

 

[TimHauck 2,660]

10 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Off duty officer walks into wrong apartment 

Gunned down by a police officer for being black.  Take the L

[Engorgeous George 2,236]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Gunned down by a police officer for being black.  Take the L

Black and gunned down, yes, but gunned down for being black, that seems an  unsupported supposiiton.  Maybe he was gunned down for being male.  Maybe he was gunned down for surprising the officer and race and/or sex had nothing to do with it.

[TimHauck 2,660]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Black and gunned down, yes, but gunned down for being black, that seems an  unsupported supposiiton.  Maybe he was gunned down for being male.  Maybe he was gunned down for surprising the officer and race and/or sex had nothing to do with it.

I mean, are you guys looking for an example where the murdering officer admitted they only killed them because they were black?