Project 2025

[Tree of Knowledge 1,837]

Gutterball might have worse X sources than Squidward.  

[OldMaid 2,130]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not sure. I would need to learn more about her position, if she would be willing to talk about it. I want to at least give an adult the chance to have an exchange, maybe I would buy into her position.....maybe not....but we should have an open mind and deal with each other forthrightly, and in the end, disagree as adults.

I am of the position of any incoming administration being severely limited to number of people they can bring on/fire. Regardless whether there’s a D or an R next to their name.  It’s never a good idea to have our government stocked with ‘yes’ men. Not sure why this is a difficult position to grasp.

[RLLD 4,215]

2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

I am of the position of any incoming administration being severely limited to number of people they can bring on/fire. Regardless whether there’s a D or an R next to their name.  It’s never a good idea to have our government stocked with ‘yes’ men. Not sure why this is a difficult position to grasp.

I see your point. I might counter that those in leadership positions need to buy into the new administrations policies. So the incoming President should consider this carefully.  For me, the entire leadership of the DOJ needs to be considered for replacement, but other agencies maybe not.  So there should be some ability for the President to ensure those in these positions are not working against him/her.

At least review them fairly, I think it would be less suitable to get into the weeds of the org, let the new leaders root out the folks who only want to ruin things. 

[OldMaid 2,130]

11 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The large majority of federal workers are Democrats. We know this from campaign donation statistics.

Yeah, sorry. I’m not for firing people because they don’t agree with you politically. 

[OldMaid 2,130]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I see your point. I might counter that those in leadership positions need to buy into the new administrations policies. So the incoming President should consider this carefully.  For me, the entire leadership of the DOJ needs to be considered for replacement, but other agencies maybe not.  So there should be some ability for the President to ensure those in these positions are not working against him/her.

At least review them fairly, I think it would be less suitable to get into the weeds of the org, let the new leaders root out the folks who only want to ruin things. 

No, my point is that holdover employees are a good thing. If a president can fire anyone who opposes them, that is dangerous. That seems so clearly obvious that I can’t believe I have to say it. 

At this point Ray, I fear we’re too far gone. Both of our presidential candidates are unworthy of office. Democracy only works when there a two healthy parties and right now we have none. Polarization has gotten so bad that each side wants the other to just fock off and die. I have no idea where we go from here. Too bad we can’t drop a nuclear bomb on Washington DC and start over.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Trump:  "Oh, Project TWENTY-FIVE".  "I thought you said project Funky Five, and I definitely never heard of that!"

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

28 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

I am of the position of any incoming administration being severely limited to number of people they can bring on/fire. Regardless whether there’s a D or an R next to their name.  It’s never a good idea to have our government stocked with ‘yes’ men. Not sure why this is a difficult position to grasp.

And yet, the government is FULL of them - for Democrats.  That's why we need to cull some of that herd.  I'll compromise and go 50%.

[OldMaid 2,130]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

And yet, the government is FULL of them - for Democrats.  That's why we need to cull some of that herd.

But this will allow that to keep happening and just accelerate it under each new administration. 

So what you’re basically saying is that if Trump is elected-he should be able to purge anyone who opposes him. Yay! Right? So what happens when the next Democrat is elected? Rinse and repeat. Now the newly elected D President cleans house to make sure his agenda is expedited and pushed through. Is this what you really want?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

1 minute ago, OldMaid said:

But this will allow that to keep happening and just accelerate it under each new administration. 

So what you’re basically saying is that if Trump is elected-he should be able to purge anyone who opposes him. Yay! Right? So what happens when the next Democrat is elected? Rinse and repeat. Now the newly elected D President cleans house to make sure his agenda is expedited and pushed through. Is this what you really want?

How about we just make it 50/50 then?  I see your point, but we can't have members of the government actively working against and undermining the current administration.

 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

But this will allow that to keep happening and just accelerate it under each new administration. 

So what you’re basically saying is that if Trump is elected-he should be able to purge anyone who opposes him. Yay! Right? So what happens when the next Democrat is elected? Rinse and repeat. Now the newly elected D President cleans house to make sure his agenda is expedited and pushed through. Is this what you really want?

This back and forth would teach government employees to be circumspect.  They would register, if at all, as independants, and they would give to no candidates.   

[RLLD 4,215]

26 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

No, my point is that holdover employees are a good thing. If a president can fire anyone who opposes them, that is dangerous. That seems so clearly obvious that I can’t believe I have to say it. 

At this point Ray, I fear we’re too far gone. Both of our presidential candidates are unworthy of office. Democracy only works when there a two healthy parties and right now we have none. Polarization has gotten so bad that each side wants the other to just fock off and die. I have no idea where we go from here. Too bad we can’t drop a nuclear bomb on Washington DC and start over.

So when you think of employees who oppose him, are you thinking of cabinet members and department heads, or more folks? Just trying to understand a little better.

Conceptually what you say makes sense, if the President has people around him to advise him from making bad decisions, well there is value there....

[OldMaid 2,130]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

This back and forth would teach government employees to be circumspect.  They would register, if at all, as independants, and they would give to no candidates.   

I disagree. I think that would be more likely to happen the way it currently stands. What’s being proposed would allow a President to hire/fire based on whether they are loyal/support him or not.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

They’re fascist, old maid.

And they’re going to win.

Just gonna have to live with it

[OldMaid 2,130]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So when you think of employees who oppose him, are you thinking of cabinet members and department heads, or more folks? Just trying to understand a little better.

Conceptually what you say makes sense, if the President has people around him to advise him from making bad decisions, well there is value there....

I’m pretty sure the President currently has say over cabinet members and department heads to a certain extent, so maybe you should read up on this some more. 

 

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

They’re fascist, old maid.

And they’re going to win.

Just gonna have to live with it

Can we please stop throwing around labels that do no one any good? I don’t like it from either side. It only serves to dehumanize and makes civil conversations impossible.

To your 2nd and 3rd point: Maybe, maybe not. I think there might be a new silent majority out there. We’ll just have to wait and see.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

They’re fascist, old maid.

And they’re going to win.

Just gonna have to live with it

No one is fascist and, besides, you've already lived with "Hitler" before from 2016-2020 and we're all still here.

Calm down, drama queen.

[RLLD 4,215]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

They’re fascist, old maid.

And they’re going to win.

Just gonna have to live with it

The three essential fascist tactics are:

(1) demonization of domestic enemies ; Such as referring to people as deplorables, or MAGA or white supremacists.....

(2) preposterous lies ; such as Russian Collusion, very fine people, Hunters laptop, Jan 6th, inflation isnt happening, inflation is transitory. the inflation reduction act will lower inflation or Joe Biden is not having cognitive issues

(3) contempt for democratic institutions; such as how some folks call out SCOTUS, vilify the police and border patrol

[IGotWorms 4,058]

2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Can we please stop throwing around labels that do no one any good? I don’t like it from either side. It only serves to dehumanize and makes civil conversations impossible.

To your 2nd and 3rd point: Maybe, maybe not. I think there might be a new silent majority out there. We’ll just have to wait and see.

The plan to purge the government of all people that aren’t in lock step with Trump and MAGA is fascist. I’m sorry you don’t like the incendiary language but that’s what it is

[RLLD 4,215]

2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

I’m pretty sure the President currently has say over cabinet members and department heads to a certain extent, so maybe you should read up on this some more.

The Cabinet is an advisory body made up of the heads of the 15 executive departments. Appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, the members of the Cabinet are often the President's closest confidants.

There should be some moderation of the selection of the cabinet through Senate oversight I guess. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No one is fascist and, besides, you've already lived with "Hitler" before from 2016-2020 and we're all still here.

Calm down, drama queen.

I didn’t say you were fascist and Trump didn’t purge the entire federal workforce of non loyalists the last go around.

Hopefully he won’t really do it this go around either.

But it does appear to be a threat

[OldMaid 2,130]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

The Cabinet is an advisory body made up of the heads of the 15 executive departments. Appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, the members of the Cabinet are often the President's closest confidants.

There should be some moderation of the selection of the cabinet through Senate oversight I guess. 

Yes, Ray. That’s why I said to a certain extent.

[OldMaid 2,130]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

I didn’t say you were fascist and Trump didn’t purge the entire federal workforce of non loyalists the last go around.

Hopefully he won’t really do it this go around either.

But it does appear to be a threat

The order was signed in Oct of 2020, so…. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,376]

Funny that dipshitts like Gutterboy and others are all worked up about project 2025 and know nothing about project 2030, which is actually in place.  

[The Real timschochet 6,737]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

 Project Funky Five

Name of my George Clinton cover band. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

So when you think of employees who oppose him, are you thinking of cabinet members and department heads, or more folks? Just trying to understand a little better.

Conceptually what you say makes sense, if the President has people around him to advise him from making bad decisions, well there is value there....

We're talking 50k people, not department heads.  These are regular non political people.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

The three essential fascist tactics are:

(1) demonization of domestic enemies ; Such as referring to people as deplorables, or MAGA or white supremacists.....

(2) preposterous lies ; such as Russian Collusion, very fine people, Hunters laptop, Jan 6th, inflation isnt happening, inflation is transitory. the inflation reduction act will lower inflation or Joe Biden is not having cognitive issues

(3) contempt for democratic institutions; such as how some folks call out SCOTUS, vilify the police and border patrol

Bro why you keep saying Jan 6 was a lie?

[seafoam1 3,000]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Bro why you keep saying Jan 6 was a lie?

Because it was a lie told through the loberal yappers who have massive TDS

 Like yourself....."bro". 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

4 hours ago, OldMaid said:

I disagree. I think that would be more likely to happen the way it currently stands. What’s being proposed would allow a President to hire/fire based on whether they are loyal/support him or not.

You may well be correct. We may see loyalty oaths.  We may see inquisitions.  Questions like are you now or have you ever been a democrat, a democrat sympathizer, or democrat adjacent.  I happen to not think so but 20 years ago most could not envision the depths to which we have already descended.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Name of my George Clinton cover band. 

I may have gone Bootsy Collins on this one but George Clinton certainly works as well.

[Voltaire 5,305]

13 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

"OMG!  Trump is going to replace all the liberal loyalists with conservative loyalists!  That's not fair!"

Dems are upset that Trump supporters are taking the time to identify the swamp creatures that need draining.

[Dizkneelande 1,096]

 

[thegeneral 3,180]

Bozo said last night he has nothing to do with this 2025 thing and called parts of it abysmal. It must be really bad

[Hardcore troubadour 15,376]

I liked project 1950 by The Misfits

[Hawkeye21 2,398]

17 hours ago, OldMaid said:

No, my point is that holdover employees are a good thing. If a president can fire anyone who opposes them, that is dangerous. That seems so clearly obvious that I can’t believe I have to say it. 

At this point Ray, I fear we’re too far gone. Both of our presidential candidates are unworthy of office. Democracy only works when there a two healthy parties and right now we have none. Polarization has gotten so bad that each side wants the other to just fock off and die. I have no idea where we go from here. Too bad we can’t drop a nuclear bomb on Washington DC and start over.

Well said.  I agree with you.

[seafoam1 3,000]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Bozo said last night he has nothing to do with this 2025 thing and called parts of it abysmal. It must be really bad

So you said that last night? wow. rivoting stuff right there. 

[thegeneral 3,180]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

So you said that last night? wow. rivoting stuff right there. 

:fartnoises:

[lickin_starfish 1,928]

The screeching faggits have turned into a bunch of conspiracy theory faggits with this 2025 stuff.

https://media.patriots.win/post/rcMWYoCbgcfh.jpeg

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

Can you hysterical liberals show us on the doll where Project 2025 touched you? 

 

[thegeneral 3,180]

17 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Can you hysterical liberals show us on the doll where Project 2025 touched you? 

 

It was so weird that even Orange Julius had to say so

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,081]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It was so weird that even Orange Julius had to say so

Oh my, you seem deeply upset.  Can you show us on the doll where Project 2025 AND Orange Julius touched you?

[thegeneral 3,180]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Oh my, you seem deeply upset.  Can you show us on the doll where Project 2025 AND Orange Julius touched you?

You have an odd sense of outrage. Like you live in a constant state of Karenhood.

You were prolly bummed all this weirdo shet isn’t on the agenda