So a person tried to assassinate Trump

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

18 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

My God. It was his focking ear. If it happened to a democrat you’d be calling them a poosay for making a big deal out of it. You play the tough guy all the time, treat Trump the same way. You know it’s not a serious wound, you’re not that dumb. 

 

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,151]

2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

The bandage probably goes down and around the ear to secure it. The Dr. probably didn't just use a regular band-aid or two to prevent blood from seeping through. That's the most and last I'm going to say about that and wish others would stop commenting on it.

I've sustained more serious injuries during sex.  That is not, however, to negate what might have been had that bullet been an inch to the right.  Rarely have I been in danger of dying during sex, well absent that one time I will not discuss here. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

26 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Are you as dumb as Gutter?

Gutter is aggressively dumb. Hawkeye is passively dumb. But both dumb.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I've sustained more serious injuries during sex.  That is not, however, to negate what might have been had that bullet been an inch to the right.  Rarely have I been in danger of dying during sex, well absent that one time I will not discuss here. 

Hilarious 

[HellToupee 1,596]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutter is aggressively dumb. Hawkeye is passively dumb. But both dumb.  

To Hawkeye’s defense at least he isn’t an arsehole

[Herbivore 1,116]

55 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

 

 

alright max..that is kind of funny

[Gepetto 1,291]

That report about glass shrapnel isn't credible. You don't think we can see glass shards if they were there? We have the image of the vapor trails of the bullet going right by Trumps head. Fockin' morons and haters. Even if it was glass shards, doesn't matter. Trump thought he was hit by the bullet and so far we don't know that he or anyone knows any different.

[Reality 3,104]

11 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I was out most of the day yesterday so I may have missed this in the thread- so apologies if it has already been mentioned.

Morning Joe yesterday had on a former Secret Service member and a reporter who worked with the Secret Service in the White House at one point (like an embedded type series). They were talking about some of the stuff as it related to the shooting on Saturday.

1.) The Secret Service was working with the local police force to help lock down some areas (common practice apparently). 

2.) The building the kid was on had local cops inside the building as a means of securing the building. They did include the building in their security plans but because it was 150 yards outside the venue they felt it clear.

3.) Additionally, the building had a sloped roof and it was determined that it would not be safe and/or feasible to have a person stationed on it- both from a standing practice and from a strategic vantage point. So the communication with the local cops led to the building having a police presence inside but not on top. (Again mentioned as not uncommon practice from them)

4.) Joe then did question the training of the Secret Service members as after Trump was shot there was communication that the shooter was down but that there still could have been a second or third shooter stationed somewhere and thus leaving Trump's head exposed for like 10 seconds was highly dangerous, not the mention letting him be exposed en route to the car (when you look at the video and pictures you can see that Trump's head for a lot of the time is above the Secret Service members heads.

5.) The former Secret Service guy discussed that the mission of the SS is to essentially manhandle the person they are protecting to physically make them keep their head down and stay hidden as best they can. He is unsure if the guys were trained on that correctly or if they defer to Trump too much (he did mention as you are around these people constantly you can get chummy with them and sometimes to a detriment).

It was a fascinating 10-15 minute segment on the show to hear. 

Also, I saw on Mediaite  a clip from CNN where they put together an interesting video that syncs up the video of the Trump shooting with the footage from social media and outlines the one minute and 57 seconds that occurred from the time the crowd first noticed the gunman to the shooting. 

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-shows-stunning-side-by-side-video-of-how-trump-shooting-unfolded-combining-news-footage-with-eyewitness-accounts/

You may want to frequent a different channel, looks like your first 3 points were complete fabrications. 

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

You may want to frequent a different channel, looks like your first 3 points were complete fabrications. 

They weren't complete fabrications....detail what is fabricated.

Perhaps they are not painting a full picture or are leaving out things but stuff isn't a lie.

[Voltaire 5,203]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I've sustained more serious injuries during sex.  That is not, however, to negate what might have been had that bullet been an inch to the right.  Rarely have I been in danger of dying during sex, well absent that one time I will not discuss here. 

Male Democrats pump each other full of AIDS and monkeypox all the time, so be kind.

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

9 minutes ago, Reality said:

2.) The building the kid was on had local cops inside the building as a means of securing the building. They did include the building in their security plans but because it was 150 yards outside the venue they felt it clear.

3.) Additionally, the building had a sloped roof and it was determined that it would not be safe and/or feasible to have a person stationed on it- both from a standing practice and from a strategic vantage point. So the communication with the local cops led to the building having a police presence inside but not on top. (Again mentioned as not uncommon practice from them)

Both points are very false. 

I come from a high stakes security POV. That building was in the immediate Kill Zone. It needed to be secured inside and out, mandatory. And where were the drones? 

That roof was far less pitched than the roof with SS snipers on it, so you can throw that out the window. Even if it was was, doesn't matter. 

Even if the order wasn't given to take the shot, Trump should of been escorted off the stage as soon as they discovered the breach. Which was long before his speech even. 

It's all borderline criminal. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

 

 

What the hell is that?

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

To Hawkeye’s defense at least he isn’t an arsehole

There’s no need for it. I just enjoy bullshiitting and having a good discussion. Not sure why so many get so personal here. 

[MDC 7,148]

Bunch of security experts in here.  

Do we have any race car drivers? Freelance astronauts? 

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1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

That report about glass shrapnel isn't credible. You don't think we can see glass shards if they were there? We have the image of the vapor trails of the bullet going right by Trumps head. Fockin' morons and haters. Even if it was glass shards, doesn't matter. Trump thought he was hit by the bullet and so far we don't know that he or anyone knows any different.

I’m sure his doc knows if he was hit by a bullet  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

That report about glass shrapnel isn't credible. You don't think we can see glass shards if they were there? We have the image of the vapor trails of the bullet going right by Trumps head. Fockin' morons and haters. Even if it was glass shards, doesn't matter. Trump thought he was hit by the bullet and so far we don't know that he or anyone knows any different.

I believe it was a bullet. Focking scary coming that close to death. A simple head tilt saved his life.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

41 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Both points are very false. 

I come from a high stakes security POV. That building was in the immediate Kill Zone. It needed to be secured inside and out, mandatory. And where were the drones? 

That roof was far less pitched than the roof with SS snipers on it, so you can throw that out the window. Even if it was was, doesn't matter. 

Even if the order wasn't given to take the shot, Trump should of been escorted off the stage as soon as they discovered the breach. Which was long before his speech even. 

It's all borderline criminal. 

Was it pure incompetence or something more?  I’m not big into conspiracies but this one looks more blatant than most instances. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Bunch of security experts in here.  

Do we have any race car drivers? Freelance astronauts? 

I’m pretty sure a middle school kid could figure out that whole thing was a major fock up or something even worse. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

 

[Voltaire 5,203]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

Bunch of security experts in here.  

Do we have any race car drivers? Freelance astronauts? 

Actually yes. I'm a fake astronaut. I also tame fake lions, if you have one. Anyway, got any questions for me?

[Reality 3,104]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

They weren't complete fabrications....detail what is fabricated.

Perhaps they are not painting a full picture or are leaving out things but stuff isn't a lie.

The Butler PA Commissioner spoke to the role of local police at the event, I'd probably start there.

Do you not have access to current news? 

[MDC 7,148]

11 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Actually yes. I'm a fake astronaut. I also tame fake lions, if you have one. Anyway, got any questions for me?

 

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23 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Was it pure incompetence or something more?  I’m not big into conspiracies but this one looks more blatant than most instances. 

It something, is it not? They knew well before his speech that there was a security breach but still let him take the stage. A building within the Kill Zone was unsecured, they were told not to engage the gunman, they waited until after he squeezed of 4 rounds to engage the threat, the SS agent who shot the suspect was fired for disregarding orders.

My theory; they had Intel that this was imminent and let it happen. 

What other conclusion is there? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,956]

14 minutes ago, Reality said:

The Butler PA Commissioner spoke to the role of local police at the event, I'd probably start there.

Do you not have access to current news? 

He repeats propaganda on behalf of the regime. The Soviet’s had a name for those people. 

[Engorgeous George 2,151]

51 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Actually yes. I'm a fake astronaut. I also tame fake lions, if you have one. Anyway, got any questions for me?

Why have we never shot any lions into sapce?

[Gepetto 1,291]

11 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Why have we never shot any lions into sapce?

Good question. The kids in South Park had a whale launched to the moon once.

[Sean Mooney 1,948]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

The Butler PA Commissioner spoke to the role of local police at the event, I'd probably start there.

Do you not have access to current news? 

The only quote I saw was from the sheriff there saying he knows his police did a good job but could've done better.

Of course too the Butler PA commissioner would try to push back on his local police role.

Do you have any mode that isn't being a condescending douchenozzle?

[Voltaire 5,203]

15 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Why have we never shot any lions into sapce?

Oh. there's a prejudice in NASA against large carnivores. That's why they let the focking dogs and rats go first.

When they realized they needed somebody capable of pushing buttons and pulling levers and stuff, me, Fletch, and George Santos took the class together were in contention to be the first primates in space. It  turned out that the selection process was rigged and they gave the focking honor to Ham the Chimp instead.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It something, is it not? They knew well before his speech that there was a security breach but still let him take the stage. A building within the Kill Zone was unsecured, they were told not to engage the gunman, they waited until after he squeezed of 4 rounds to engage the threat, the SS agent who shot the suspect was fired for disregarding orders.

My theory; they had Intel that this was imminent and let it happen. 

What other conclusion is there? 

I agree with you.

[Gepetto 1,291]

 

[Gepetto 1,291]

In an unclassified briefing Wednesday, law enforcement officials said 20 minutes passed between when Secret Service snipers first spotted Crooks on the roof and when he opened fire on Trump. He was identified as a person of interest 62 minutes before the shooting, they said.

 

So the Secret Service Snipers just let Crooks shoot at Trump and the crowd first after spotting him on the roof for 20 minutes.

[Voltaire 5,203]

39 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

In an unclassified briefing Wednesday, law enforcement officials said 20 minutes passed between when Secret Service snipers first spotted Crooks on the roof and when he opened fire on Trump. He was identified as a person of interest 62 minutes before the shooting, they said.

 

So the Secret Service Snipers just let Crooks shoot at Trump and the crowd first after spotting him on the roof for 20 minutes.

Hopefully we get some confirmation and clarity. 

[TimHauck 2,627]

11 hours ago, nobody said:

 

Is anyone credible proposing wild theories?  If not who cares?  You could say the sky is blue and 20% of people will disagree.  Shoot, there are plenty of people out there that think the earth is flat.  You don't cater to the least common denominator.

Sounds like you agree that the MSM saying “crosshairs,” “bullseye,” or “Trump is the end of democracy” aren’t that bad because only already crazy people will actually act on it.

[Strike 5,219]

The Secret Service got their training from Barnaby Jones.

[TimHauck 2,627]

9 hours ago, Reality said:

Oh boy... Has the Director of the SS told the truth about anything? 

https://x.com/TONYxTWO/status/1813661059695399249?s=19

The state police, not county (of which multiple county police teams were present anyway), were tasked with securing the building where Crooks shot from, according to the NY Post.

https://nypost.com/2024/07/15/us-news/counter-sniper-team-was-inside-building-where-thomas-crooks-opened-fire/

[TimHauck 2,627]

14 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't disagree.  My main point was that you apparently read their chain and decided to go after @RLLD and trying to call out his hypocrisy and not @Herbivore for his.

 @RLLD seemed to be the one making claims initially, and @Herbivore was just calling him out.  @RLLD said “the rhetoric started” with people towards Trump. @Herbivore said no it started at minimum with Palin/Giffords and @RLLD said no it didn’t it started with people towards Trump. So the only way that would make any sense would be if @RLLD didn’t think Biden’s bullseye comment was “dangerous rhetoric”

[TimHauck 2,627]

15 hours ago, Reality said:

Yup, all related to the left's response to the assassination attempt, thanks for proving my point.

Had to take you off ignore, forgot you existed.

Appreciate you backing me up though.

No, your long post was not about the response, it was you saying you “weren’t surprised” that someone tried to assassinate Trump because of the rhetoric coming from the left.

Were you also “not surprised” by Gabby Giffords being shot after Sarah Palin put her in the crosshairs, a woman being murdered over a pride flag, or gays being killed in a mass shooting in Colorado Springs (and no @Strike, the shooter was not non-binary)?

[TimHauck 2,627]

Not sure if this has been posted.  Interesting if the timing is accurate.

Also just realized there was a woman behind Trump wearing a shirt that said “mean tweets.”  Hopefully she didn’t blame “rhetoric” for the shooting.

[TimHauck 2,627]

Elon actually consistent here in seemingly not having an issue with (legal) “rhetoric,” although of course it’s also good for his wallet