Sounds like Elon wants to fire many government employees

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35 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Is that proven?

What do you think the lawsuit accomplishes?   JFC. 

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9 hours ago, purdygood said:

The NDA said she couldnt talk to reporters.  Not her friends.  Duh. 

Not if it were drafted by remotely competent legal counsel.  Not one chance in a million. Why not just admit the now obvious, you got caught out in a lie?

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5 hours ago, purdygood said:

Her NDA said she can't go to the media.  I'm her friend. Not the media, dude. Last time i checked ... no, my name isnt Jessie Watters or Wolf Blitzer. 
 

and even if you dont believe me, fine. There is a whole lot of public reasons to not like Elon as well.   Smoking weed with Joe Rogan, admitted Ketamine abuse, dancing like a weirdo on stage.  Naming his kid  XYZ @#45 or whatever they came up with. 

No one with any sense of how the world works believes you.  The lie is laughable.

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7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Not if it were drafted by remotely competent legal counsel.  Not one chance in a million. Why not just admit the now obvious, you got caught out in a lie?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Purdy had girlfriend that lived in Canada in high school.  You wouldn’t know her. 

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2 hours ago, jonmx said:

Good lord Tim, you embrace authoritarianism and are too much of a braindead cultist to even realize it.  You love federal power and how it has trashed every one of our Constitutional rights.  You focking hate free speech with a passion.  You hate self-defense and the second amendment.  You love government spying on citizens.  You believe in unequal treatment under the law.  

Don't forget that Tim also considers the MSM to be gospel, and that he considers any statement to the contrary to be a threat to our democracy.   

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Don't forget that Tim also considers the MSM to be gospel, and that he considers any statement to the contrary to be a threat to our democracy.   

No doubt, Tim loves his government media.   Hopefully Trump can put an end to the deep state propaganda machine and we can return a free independant press to the people again.   Today's media is 100 percent in lockstep with big government and it is not by coincidence.

   

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2 hours ago, jonmx said:

Good lord Tim, you embrace authoritarianism and are too much of a braindead cultist to even realize it.  You love federal power and how it has trashed every one of our Constitutional rights.  You focking hate free speech with a passion.  You hate self-defense and the second amendment.  You love government spying on citizens.  You believe in unequal treatment under the law.  

Hmm let’s see. Every one of these assertions is completely false. Most are the exact opposite of the truth. Well done! 

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8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Don't forget that Tim also considers the MSM to be gospel, and that he considers any statement to the contrary to be a threat to our democracy.   

No. I trust the MSM but that is not the same as considering them to be Gospel. They can get things wrong. 

I do believe that the fact that liberals and conservatives don’t have a shared source for news, that all too often we seem to believe opposing facts, is indeed a danger to democracy, so your second point is closer to accurate though not quite there. 

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7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

No doubt, Tim loves his government media.   Hopefully Trump can put an end to the deep state propaganda machine and we can return a free independant press to the people again.   Today's media is 100 percent in lockstep with big government and it is not by coincidence.

   

1. There is no government media. 
2. We have never had a more free and independent press than we do now. Which creates part of the problem because a lot of it (sadly, mostly on the conservative side) is simply not credible. 
3. No. It really isn’t. The MSM is what it’s always been: corporate owned, depending on ratings more than any other factor, centrist, jingoistic and conservative (culturally, not necessarily politically) but generally filled with earnest people who really do try to report the news fairly and without bias. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Real Tim thinks Jim Acosta is the modern Cronkite. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Real Tim thinks Jim Acosta is the modern Cronkite. 

Sadly there is no modern Cronkite. I wish there was. 
I’m not particularly a fan of Acosta. 

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Sounds like Elon wants to fire many government employees

* Thank God!! Have you seen what's running our Woke Government?  

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. There is no government media. 
2. We have never had a more free and independent press than we do now. Which creates part of the problem because a lot of it (sadly, mostly on the conservative side) is simply not credible. 
3. No. It really isn’t. The MSM is what it’s always been: corporate owned, depending on ratings more than any other factor, centrist, jingoistic and conservative (culturally, not necessarily politically) but generally filled with earnest people who really do try to report the news fairly and without bias. 

Your 'indepedant' media is always in lockstep with expansive big government.  They all get their daily talking points and they are repeat the same phrasing.  It is classic brainwashing under the illusion of being free and independant.   The CIA starter infiltrating the media back in its inception back in the 1950's and hasn't stopped yet, despite it being exposed and laws being passed.  

 

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23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. I trust the MSM but that is not the same as considering them to be Gospel. They can get things wrong. 

I do believe that the fact that liberals and conservatives don’t have a shared source for news, that all too often we seem to believe opposing facts, is indeed a danger to democracy, so your second point is closer to accurate though not quite there. 

You always explain yourself like anyone gives a chit.  You're a laughing stock here, that's it.  

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34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hmm let’s see. Every one of these assertions is completely false. Most are the exact opposite of the truth. Well done! 

Tim you have advocated tons of anti-free speech policies.   You are in love with regulating misinformation and having licensing requirements for reporters.   You despise alternative media and have zero problems with the massive assault our government and its allies has done on dozens of opposition voices.   You have zero problems if the government uses it power to mute voices like Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Dave Rubin, the Revolver, James O'Keefe or a dozen others who have been under attack by both civil and criminal means.  

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sadly there is no modern Cronkite. I wish there was. 
I’m not particularly a fan of Acosta. 

Why don’t you care about the communities bearing the burden of the migrant influx? It’s like they don’t matter to you. 

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44 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. I trust the MSM but that is not the same as considering them to be Gospel. They can get things wrong. 

I do believe that the fact that liberals and conservatives don’t have a shared source for news, that all too often we seem to believe opposing facts, is indeed a danger to democracy, so your second point is closer to accurate though not quite there. 

Perhaps I misspoke. They aren't gospel, but if they get things wrong, it's always an honest mistake, vs intentional disinformation to further a narrative.

You've stated this in the past, so please don't post to the contrary. 

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7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Perhaps I misspoke. They aren't gospel, but if they get things wrong, it's always an honest mistake, vs intentional disinformation to further a narrative.

You've stated this in the past, so please don't post to the contrary. 

No that’s pretty accurate. 

[The Real timschochet 7,404]

30 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

You always explain yourself like anyone gives a chit.  You're a laughing stock here, that's it.  

My views are very mainstream. If I’m a laughing stock around here that says far more about around here than it does me. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

My views are very mainstream. 

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51 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. There is no government media. 
2. We have never had a more free and independent press than we do now. Which creates part of the problem because a lot of it (sadly, mostly on the conservative side) is simply not credible. 
3. No. It really isn’t. The MSM is what it’s always been: corporate owned, depending on ratings more than any other factor, centrist, jingoistic and conservative (culturally, not necessarily politically) but generally filled with earnest people who really do try to report the news fairly and without bias. 

What a load of horse shitt.  

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

My views are very mainstream. If I’m a laughing stock around here that says far more about around here than it does me. 

I was talking about your habits not your views dumbass. Like constant lying and explaining yourself like anyone here give a chit.  

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10 hours ago, jonmx said:

Your 'indepedant' media is always in lockstep with expansive big government.  They all get their daily talking points and they are repeat the same phrasing.  It is classic brainwashing under the illusion of being free and independant.   The CIA starter infiltrating the media back in its inception back in the 1950's and hasn't stopped yet, despite it being exposed and laws being passed.  

 

https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.businessinsider.com/us-domestic-propaganda-officially-aired-2013-7

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1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-domestic-propaganda-officially-aired-2013-7

The Cold War was what drove the US government into becoming the largest provider of propaganda the world has ever seen.  The creation of the CIA elevated those effort a lot more.

 

American Propaganda

 

The American Media

The Cold War, from the American perspective, was fueled by such ideals as "a belief in individual freedom, unfettered capitalism, the sanctity of the home, and a suspicion of outsiders" (May 940). And the American media during the Cold War had one primary directive: creating "a wide, prevailing culture of 'anxiety' or 'paranoia'" (Kwon 139). This was all in hopes of creating enough fear amongst the American population to drive moral support towards the actions by military and political leaders. The media did so by publicizing numerous forms of propaganda that "project the fears of a system by dramatising and exaggerating the dangers that seem to lurk around every corner" (McLaughlin 7), describing the enemy of the U.S. at the time, the Soviet Union. 

For example, the media would often populate news broadcastings and newspapers with societal calls to action, urging citizens to fortify their homes in preparation for an incoming Soviet invasion. There was even a Los Angeles Times article that displayed a map of potential bombing locations in LA, by the Soviet Union, on the front page (May 940). Or, the media would use metaphoric images of contrasting sides of opposition to describe the two perspectives of the war: "Uncle Sam versus Ivan the Terrible", "the Eagle versus the Bear", "the Promised Land versus the Evil Empire" (McLaughlin 7). Again, this was all in hopes of driving up social fears among the national community to justify the military actions taken.

American Socioeconomics

The war also took a toll on American socioeconomics, leaving a longlasting effect that still plague the nation today. Efforts were so heavily poured into "narrow and overdeveloped aerospace, communications, electronic capabilities, swollen ranks of scientists and engineers engaged in wasteful military-related operations, and a phalanx of large specialized firms and facilities not easily transformed into commercially viable operations" (Markusen 389), that it left the country in an unforseeably huge debt. In fact, "over half of the current U.S. debt was incurred in the 1980's" (Markusen 391). 

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Only an idiot would be against this.  I see a few idiots already have piped in.

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6 minutes ago, BarneyFife said:

Only an idiot would be against this.  I see a few idiots already have piped in.

I imagine a lot of federal employees would be.   But I guess you could argue many of them (such as @Cdub100) are idiots 

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On 9/6/2024 at 7:02 PM, TimHauck said:

Uh oh, could be bad news for @Cdub100 

 

 

This is an awesome idea.  It should be done at every level of government.

[Mike Honcho 5,415]

So Project 2025 wants to eliminate one million govt. employees, Trump proposes a task force on employee efficiency, to eliminate govt waste(employees0 ---but he's not doing Project 2025.  

Okay. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Project 2025! If you agree with any of it, you plan to implement all of it. Simpletons simpleing. 

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1852546748956225833

 

 

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I’m not sure if Elon has actually watched Office Space, comparing himself to those guys isn’t exactly a compliment

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It was cool when the Clintons did it, but Armageddon when Trump does it. 
 

Honestly, they would be able to accomplish this much easier, efficiently and quicker with targeted retirement buyouts with a short runway to sign up.  All the Clinton operatives are at their 30 year marks.  Probably just eliminate the Obammy positions after that.  

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On 9/6/2024 at 7:02 PM, TimHauck said:

Uh oh, could be bad news for @Cdub100 

 

 

Excellent. Our government should not be nearly as big as it is. If those jobs and duties are really needed, let them be run by more efficient  private practices. 

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1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It was cool when the Clintons did it, but Armageddon when Trump does it. 
 

Honestly, they would be able to accomplish this much easier, efficiently and quicker with targeted retirement buyouts with a short runway to sign up.  All the Clinton operatives are at their 30 year marks.  Probably just eliminate the Obammy positions after that.  

Retirement buyouts is a good idea.  Hopefully they do something like that and not what Elon did at Twitter.

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1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

It was cool when the Clintons did it, but Armageddon when Trump does it. 

Can you clarify what “the Clintons” did?  Was kinda before my time as an adult, but here’s some data:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001
 

Federal government employees peaked around 3.16 million at the end of 1988.  By 1992 when Clinton was elected it was already down to about 3.1.  By 2000 it went down to about 2.75, so about an 11% decline.

Who knows what Elon is planning to do but judging by his comments it sounds like a lot more than an 11% reduction over an 8 year period.

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Good.... as long as I never have to see whatever the fock this is again....

https://www.kktv.com/2021/01/19/biden-picks-transgender-woman-as-assistant-health-secretary-2/

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36 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Can you clarify what “the Clintons” did?  Was kinda before my time as an adult, but here’s some data:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001
 

Federal government employees peaked around 3.16 million at the end of 1988.  By 1992 when Clinton was elected it was already down to about 3.1.  By 2000 it went down to about 2.75, so about an 11% decline.

Who knows what Elon is planning to do but judging by his comments it sounds like a lot more than an 11% reduction over an 8 year period.

They gutted the DOJ and flooded with political flunkies. The decrease in # of employees is normal and was due to automation and computerization of low level clerical jobs.  The true determination is costs of payroll as well as “consulting” and personal services costs which is highly political.