Tyreek Hill stopped by the police before game

[TimHauck 2,598]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

What the hell is careless driving?  From the clip provided above, I can see how the cops could 'guesstimate' he was speeding(which in a lot of areas is legal standard-I think that's absurd), but I didn't see anything reckless.

I’ll let @Fireballer handle this one, he doesn’t like other people talking about police terminology 

[MLCKAA 540]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What is your opinion of the police behavior?  

Your statement that I defended the actions of the police was incorrect.  Is that true?

[supermike80 1,796]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I can't help but believe that competent communication skills and just a modicum of patience on behalf of the officers would have had this matter quickly and amicably resolved with no use of force and nobody in handcuffs. 

Honestly, and I am being serious.  If he was ordered to lower his tinted windows, and he did not comply, the cops should have busted his window. 

[Mike Honcho 5,085]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I’ll let @Fireballer handle this one, he doesn’t like other people talking about police terminology 

Heck, I didn't know it was a thing.  Again, the GC promise of "you just might learn something" proves true again!

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Careless driving is a violation that occurs when someone operates a vehicle without the same level of care as a reasonable and cautious driver. It's generally considered a less serious offense than reckless driving. 

Some examples of careless driving include: 

Minor speeding 

Failing to signal when changing lanes 

Not yielding the right of way 

Following too closely behind another vehicle 

Swerving between lanes without signaling 

Not yielding to pedestrians at crosswalks 

Momentarily losing focus while adjusting the radio or GPS 

Careless driving can lead to unintentional endangerment of others. The points for careless driving remain on the record for two years and can significantly impact insurance rates. 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,598]

5 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Your statement that I defended the actions of the police was incorrect.  Is that true?

Surely you can see how someone would interpret the below as defending the police actions/blaming Hill for what happened.

2 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

ALL this needed to be was a speeding ticket.  But apparently Hill, who claimed he doesn’t like having eyes on him, really wanted some extra attention.

But I’d appreciate it if you could please clarify by adding a more specific opinion on the police’s behavior.   TIA.

[Fireballer 2,639]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ll let @Fireballer handle this one, he doesn’t like other people talking about police terminology 

Here you go @Mike Honcho

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.192.html

Tim, I think you would have completely fine searching the Florida statutes and providing the code for reckless driving. OTOH, when trying to assess subjective police actions in fluid situations, not so much.  

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[MLCKAA 540]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Surely you can see how someone would interpret the below as defending the police actions.

But I’d appreciate it if you could please clarify by adding a more specific opinion on the police’s behavior.   TIA.

I disagree that what I posted should be interpreted as defending the actions of the police.  It is explicitly a criticism of Hill.

 I have no obligation to comment on the actions of the policemen.  That isn’t why I joined this thread.  Others have and you can digest their opinions if you want discussion about that aspect.

[seafoam1 2,798]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Surely you can see how someone would interpret the below as defending the police actions.

But I’d appreciate it if you could please clarify by adding a more specific opinion on the police’s behavior.   TIA.

The police behavior was consistent with the behavior of the guy who got pulled over. Act like an ass and be treated like one. Cops can't assume the dangerous drivers they pull over are going to be peaceful.

You are losing your mind over some big mouth self entitled low IQ ghetto punk acting like an ass and being treated like one. 

Save your sanity and move on. 

[TimHauck 2,598]

12 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Here you go @Mike Honcho

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.192.html

Tim, I think you would have completely fine searching the Florida statutes and providing the code for reckless driving. OTOH, when trying to assess subjective police actions in fluid situations, not so much.  

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I could use some help finding the law about standing in a public area in the general vicinity of someone being pulled over, can you assist?  Also, any opinion on the cops citing a law that doesn’t go into effect until 2025? 

[Fireballer 2,639]

35 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I could use some help finding the law about standing in a public area in the general vicinity of someone being pulled over, can you assist?  Also, any opinion on the cops citing a law that doesn’t go into effect until 2025? 

You cant find the “standing” law?  Come on, there’s gotta be a written law covering every single human variable imaginable?  I mean, that what you would need to satiate this stupid obsession right?   

 

[TimHauck 2,598]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

You cant find the “standing” law?  Come on, there’s gotta be a written law covering every single human variable imaginable?  I mean, that what you would need to satiate this stupid obsession right?   

 

Well here is the law these officers cited which doesn’t take effect until 2025:

http://laws.flrules.org/2024/85
 

As this is a new law which will require bystanders to remain at least 25 feet from a first responder if asked, does that mean there is no similar law on the books?

If so, then wouldn’t that mean telling Campbell to leave was not actually a lawful command?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

@MLCKAA

@EternalShinyAndChrome

@BudBro

@cyclone24

@Hardcore troubadour

@seafoam1

@Patented Phil

@Fireballer

 

Do we all agree at least with that?  I’d argue more than “a little,” but the above posters were some I saw defending the cop’s actions without saying they did anything wrong that I saw, if I missed a quote please feel free to repost, or clarify your position if you do actually feel the cops (mainly one primarily) went overboard.

I think there is definitely culpability on both sides here, but the entire incident was instigated by Hill.  I have no issue with the stop, the police dragging Hill out of the car and putting him in cuffs.  I do have issue with the tiny bit of "extra" he got after he was cuffed.

[seafoam1 2,798]

15 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I think there is definitely culpability on both sides here, but the entire incident was instigated by Hill.  I have no issue with the stop, the police dragging Hill out of the car and putting him in cuffs.  I do have issue with the tiny bit of "extra" he got after he was cuffed.

This always seem to happen to the same type of personalities of people in life. 

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Honestly, and I am being serious.  If he was ordered to lower his tinted windows, and he did not comply, the cops should have busted his window. 

I would be O.K if they clearly communicated that they have asked him more than once, that it is an officer safety issue, that the discussion is now over and he either comply in the count of five or have his window broken.  The thing is this officer did not explain himself clearly and he escalated far too quickly.  De-escalation is the name of the game in policing, not hysterical escalation.

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I would be O.K if they clearly communicated that they have asked him more than once, that it is an officer safety issue, that the discussion is now over and he either comply in the count of five or have his window broken.  The think is this officer did not explain himself clearly and he escalated far too quickly.  De-escalation is the name of the game in policing, not hysterical escalation.

OH NO!!! He put people's lives in danger, got pulled over and briefly detained while being an assh0le and then released!!! The HORROR!!!

DEFUND THE POLICE!!!! 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

OH NO!!! He put people's lives in danger, got pulled over and briefly detained while being an assh0le and then released!!! The HORROR!!!

DEFUND THE POLICE!!!! 

 

Yeah, good summary of what I wrote.  An even better summary of the encounter.  Your mental gifts are truly prodigious.

[Strike 5,182]

17 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I would be O.K if they clearly communicated that they have asked him more than once, that it is an officer safety issue, that the discussion is now over and he either comply in the count of five or have his window broken.  The thing is this officer did not explain himself clearly and he escalated far too quickly.  De-escalation is the name of the game in policing, not hysterical escalation.

The problem with this course of action is it presumes that TH is an altruistic citizen who isn't doing anything wrong.  Making wrong presumptions is what gets cops killed.  What if, instead of being a star receiver on the Dolphins, TH was a gang banger with a gun under his seat that he was trying to buy time to grab by rolling up his TINTED window.  Your scenario gives him a defined period of time in which to finish completing that action without visibility for the cop .  I would not advise training cops to give people they've pulled over defined periods of time in which the cop cannot see what they're doing.  That would increase the risk level of an already very dangerous profession exponentially.

[Strike 5,182]

15 hours ago, Strike said:

That's not necessarily true.  Most people never have an interaction with a cop via traffic stop or arrest.  How many times has he?  If you don't know then you shouldn't  make the statement bolded above. 

Bump for @TimHauck.  Why are you avoiding enlightening us with your intimate knowledge of all of  Calias Campbell's interactions with cops? 

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

The problem with this course of action is it presumes that TH is an altruistic citizen who isn't doing anything wrong.  Making wrong presumptions is what gets cops killed.  What if, instead of being a star receiver on the Dolphins, TH was a gang banger with a gun under his seat that he was trying to buy time to grab by rolling up his TINTED window.  Your scenario gives him a defined period of time in which to finish completing that action without visibility for the cop .  I would not advise training cops to give people they've pulled over defined periods of time in which the cop cannot see what they're doing.  That would increase the risk level of an already very dangerous profession exponentially.

That is why we train cops to stand by the car's door post, with their body armor facing the door, and to watch for movement and to be prepared to engage or retreat.  

 

Were this to be your scenario the driver likely would have already grabbed his gun and deployed it immediately, before any discussion.  Yes there are dangers in policing.  I submit those dangers are increased by officers with poor communication skills and no patience.  Clear, Firm, Polite while authoritative, and always cautious.

[Strike 5,182]

7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

That is why we train cops to stand by the car's door post, with their body armor facing the door, and to watch for movement and to be prepared to engage or retreat.  

 

Were this to be your scenario the driver likely would have already grabbed his gun and deployed it immediately, before any discussion.  Yes there are dangers in policing.  I submit those dangers are increased by officers with poor communication skills and no patience.  Clear, Firm, Polite while authoritative, and always cautious.

I agree these cops could have handled things better, especially re: communications.  And their actions regarding getting TH out of the car and under control were them being cautious.  But, they didn't handle it better.  So bust them for violating process/procedures/training.  That's something you do after the fact as a disciplinary and training measure.  TH shoulders much blame as well.

[TimHauck 2,598]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

The problem with this course of action is it presumes that TH is an altruistic citizen who isn't doing anything wrong.  Making wrong presumptions is what gets cops killed.  What if, instead of being a star receiver on the Dolphins, TH was a gang banger with a gun under his seat that he was trying to buy time to grab by rolling up his TINTED window. 

Hill had already provided his license, and the one cop knew it was him as he told the other officers (but I guess brown sleeves didn’t hear), which was before any of the physicality took place.

[seafoam1 2,798]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Hill had already provided his license, and the one cop knew it was him as he told the other officers (but I guess brown sleeves didn’t hear), which was before any of the physicality took place.

Yeah. Football players never exhibit violence or have ever killed anyone. They are the exception to the human race. 

 

Oh....wait......

[Strike 5,182]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Hill had already provided his license, and the one cop knew it was him as he told the other officers (but I guess brown sleeves didn’t hear), which was before any of the physicality took place.

Irrelevant.  Making wrong presumptions is what gets cops killed.  Cops are taught to control the situation, period.  They don't let you wander off and do your own thing, ever.  I hate defending cops but some of you people are ridiculous.  Just follow their directions and things go smoothly 99.9% of the time.  When you act unpredictably the chances of things going wrong rise.   If you have an issue with your interaction with the cop, the time to deal with that is AFTER the interaction, not in the middle of it. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Irrelevant.  Making wrong presumptions is what gets cops killed.  Cops are taught to control the situation, period.  They don't let you wander off and do your own thing, ever.  I hate defending cops but some of you people are ridiculous.  Just follow their directions and things go smoothly 99.9% of the time.  When you act unpredictably the chances of things going wrong rise.   If you have an issue with your interaction with the cop, the time to deal with that is AFTER the interaction, not in the middle of it. 

Aaron Hernandez was a good guy. Amiright? And tyreek hill never had police called on him for domestic violence. Amiright? 

[TimHauck 2,598]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

Bump for @TimHauck.  Why are you avoiding enlightening us with your intimate knowledge of all of  Calias Campbell's interactions with cops? 

I don’t know how many interactions he has had with cops, but in a recent interview he stated that he was taught as a kid to always comply with police officers and “let them know that you’re not a threat” (6:40 in the below link)

Do you think he deserved to get handcuffed in this instance?

 

 

[seafoam1 2,798]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know how many interactions he has had with cops, but in a recent interview he stated that he was taught as a kid to always comply with police officers and “let them know that you’re not a threat” (6:40 in the below link)

 

 

 

Maybe as a kid he complied, but he lied obviously as an adult. 

[Strike 5,182]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know how many interactions he has had with cops, but in a recent interview he stated that he was taught as a kid to always comply with police officers and “let them know that you’re not a threat” (6:40 in the below link)

Do you think he deserved to get handcuffed in this instance?

 

 

Wait. You're citing an interview from AFTER this incident to support your assertion?   Would you agree that saying something AFTER the fact is a little self serving of him?  

[TimHauck 2,598]

Just now, Strike said:

Wait. You're citing an interview from AFTER this incident to support your assertion?   Would you agree that saying something AFTER the fact is a little self serving of him?  

Sure, but all accounts of him from others are that he’s an all around great dude.

Do you think he deserved to get handcuffed in this instance?

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Wait. You're citing an interview from AFTER this incident to support your assertion?   Would you agree that saying something AFTER the fact is a little self serving of him?  

Cause timhack is a flailing liberal. 

[Strike 5,182]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Sure, but all accounts of him from others are that he’s an all around great dude.

Do you think he deserved to get handcuffed in this instance?

All accounts used to say Alex Murdaugh was a great all around dude.  Until he wasn't.  All accounts used to say Bill Cosby was a great all around dude.  Until he wasn't.  And, of course, at the time of this incident, I don't think the cops had time to do a google search on whether CC is a great dude or not.  Just stop dude.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

If the window goes down and stays down even half way after repeated instructions to do so....he gets to stay in the car the whole time.  Period.  

Now you can argue the 1 cop got pissed off and was perhaps overboard.  But when you deal with bad people and games all day long each day it gets tiresome to let the individual control the situation and act like an ass.  

Any time I have been pulled over, I roll down the window, turn my vehicle off and get my info out by the time the cop even comes out to my window.  Not sure what is so difficult.  Not sure why Tyreek thinks he is above this.  

Next time I get a speeding ticket ill try Tyreek's way and on top tell the cop to hurry up.  Should go well.  Maybe ill get him fired.  

[TimHauck 2,598]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

All accounts used to say Alex Murdaugh was a great all around dude.  Until he wasn't.  All accounts used to say Bill Cosby was a great all around dude.  Until he wasn't.  And, of course, at the time of this incident, I don't think the cops had time to do a google search on whether CC is a great dude or not.  Just stop dude.

Do you think Campbell deserved to get handcuffed in this instance?

[listen2me 23 1,825]

The Campbell stuff is rats ass to me.  Not sure if it was right or wrong.   Weren't they parked in the street?   

The fouus for me is Tyreek and what happened on his stop.  People had issue with it before the Campbell stuff even came up.  

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

They knew it was Hill when they walked up to the vehicle, right?  What do a lot of athletes have with them in their vehicles? A gun.

[Strike 5,182]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think Campbell deserved to get handcuffed in this instance?

I don't have an opinion on that.  Sorry to burst your bubble. 

[supermike80 1,796]

I swear I don't understand why this is a debate.  I really don't.   Do what the cops say.  Period.  Had he done that, he would have received his ticket and everyone would have gone on their way.

But no....Gotta escalate things.  Hill started this.  There is no debate about it.  Why are we sitting here having this argument when he is the one that brought this on.  How hard is it to just do what the cops say?   

[TimHauck 2,598]

32 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't have an opinion on that.  Sorry to burst your bubble. 

Hard to compare him to Bill Cosby and Alex Murdaugh then

[Strike 5,182]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Hard to compare him to Bill Cosby and Alex Murdaugh then

Why am I not surprised that you miss the point?  The point, and I've tried TWO different ways to make it to you, is that just because someone acted great in the past does not guarantee that they will in the future.  In this case, we don't even have a "past" other than the self serving comments CC made AFTER the incident took place.  So your continued assertion that everyone else says he's a great guy isn't persuasive. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

36 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why am I not surprised that you miss the point?  The point, and I've tried TWO different ways to make it to you, is that just because someone acted great in the past does not guarantee that they will in the future.  In this case, we don't even have a "past" other than the self serving comments CC made AFTER the incident took place.  So your continued assertion that everyone else says he's a great guy isn't persuasive. 

So how exactly were the cops to know CC is a good guy with Boy Scout like history with cops?

[TimHauck 2,598]

32 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why am I not surprised that you miss the point?  The point, and I've tried TWO different ways to make it to you, is that just because someone acted great in the past does not guarantee that they will in the future.  In this case, we don't even have a "past" other than the self serving comments CC made AFTER the incident took place.  So your continued assertion that everyone else says he's a great guy isn't persuasive. 

So cops can just handcuff anyone they feel like because there’s a chance the person they’re dealing with might be dangerous?

My point in asking your opinion about Campbell is that I obviously feel he didn’t deserve to be handcuffed in the scenario we’re actually discussing.  As do most normal people that actually have an opinion (what a copout to say you have no opinion btw, lol).  So based on the video, his actions would support what everyone says about him being a great guy and how he says he was raised to behave around police.