Anthony Richardson

[polecatt 445]

Two games in, two polar opposite results.

Week 1, he was the top QB in my league. Top QB of the week.

Week 2, he was terrible but still 3rd overall QB in my league.

I think this is just what you're gonna get with him this season if he's playing. He's gonna be the ultimate boom or bust QB.

What to do?

[weepaws 2,816]

49% competition rate, not good. 

[Showboat 166]

Perspective and patience is needed.  He's only had 6 NFL starts.  Some rough games are to be expected, but he has certainly shown the potential to dominate.  Ideally, you'd like to see a bounce back this week and improvement as the season progresses.  

[weepaws 2,816]

He can’t seem to pass, might be a problem playing Qb for very long in the NFL, since the league as adopted this things called the forward pass. 

[nobody 2,342]

So far, in this small sample size, he appears to be much worse on the road.

[IGotWorms 3,831]

He’s not a good actual QB but he is a pretty damn good fantasy QB. Ride it while you can 

[kilroy69 1,114]

If joe flacco was the QB they would be 2-0 likely. The longer they keep starting him the more likely their season is shot. 

[polecatt 445]

15 hours ago, weepaws said:

49% competition rate, not good. 

No, it's not, by my lord he throws as good a deep ball as anyone I've ever seen. That 60 yd TD he threw in week 1 was amazing. He threw it 65 yards in the air off his back foot on a dime.

In my league we get big bonuses for TDs over 40 and 50 yards, so he's a keeper

[listen2me 23 1,692]

Real football = bad

Fake fantasy football = very good

FF is so skewed to running QBs.  Its sorta dumb.  

[wolves111 85]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Real football = bad

Fake fantasy football = very good

FF is so skewed to running QBs.  Its sorta dumb.  

Yeah, the QB position when I began in 1994 was geared towards td passes. Some leagues had 3 bonus pts for over 300 yards. i can't even recall QBs rush yards amounting to much because there were on a few guys that would run. The Bears had a guy whose name escapes me but that's all I remember. even Randall Cunningham known as the ultimate weapon best season with Minnesota was his arm.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,328]

He's Lamar Jackson without the elite defense.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,328]

10 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

Yeah, the QB position when I began in 1994 was geared towards td passes. Some leagues had 3 bonus pts for over 300 yards. i can't even recall QBs rush yards amounting to much because there were on a few guys that would run. The Bears had a guy whose name escapes me but that's all I remember. even Randall Cunningham known as the ultimate weapon best season with Minnesota was his arm.  

With competent offensive coaching in today's NFL, prime years Cunningham would be the best QB in the league.  Yes, better than Mahomes. 

[GobbleDog 909]

3 hours ago, polecatt said:

No, it's not, by my lord he throws as good a deep ball as anyone I've ever seen. That 60 yd TD he threw in week 1 was amazing. He threw it 65 yards in the air off his back foot on a dime.

That Pierce bomb was cool, but watch the tape... it was chuck-it-up and pray.  Followed it up with a deep Td pass to Dulin which actually required some touch. Also delivered a couple nice strikes over the middle... some while on the run. Nice.  Then there were SEVERAL throws where the ball went sailing 5 yards over the receiver's head, like what happened on the INT. And he threw often into heavy coverage, and got lucky a few of them weren't picked off as well.

Week 1: 50% completion rate

Week 2: 47.4% completion rate

3 Tds / 4 Ints

Jekyll & Hyde

He's got an arm cannon, but just like in college - his accuracy is terrible.  If he wasn't such a prolific runner, he probably wouldn't even be a back-up.

[plasma george 57]

35 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

That Pierce bomb was cool, but watch the tape... it was chuck-it-up and pray.  Followed it up with a deep Td pass to Dulin which actually required some touch. Also delivered a couple nice strikes over the middle... some while on the run. Nice.  Then there were SEVERAL throws where the ball went sailing 5 yards over the receiver's head, like what happened on the INT. And he threw often into heavy coverage, and got lucky a few of them weren't picked off as well.

Week 1: 50% completion rate

Week 2: 47.4% completion rate

3 Tds / 4 Ints

Jekyll & Hyde

He's got an arm cannon, but just like in college - his accuracy is terrible.  If he wasn't such a prolific runner, he probably wouldn't even be a back-up.

Agreed, reminds me of Jeff George.

So is anyone benching him, and for who ?  Our WW has Carr, Geno and Darnold (I drafted Tua, and really think I should pickup one of these 3)

[polecatt 445]

56 minutes ago, plasma george said:

Agreed, reminds me of Jeff George.

So is anyone benching him, and for who ?  Our WW has Carr, Geno and Darnold (I drafted Tua, and really think I should pickup one of these 3)

I have him and CJ Stroud...

CJ has been steady, at least by the standards this season, but Anthony Richardson still outscores him by 9 ppg, even with the dud last week

[TBayXXXVII 2,328]

1 hour ago, polecatt said:

I have him and CJ Stroud...

CJ has been steady, at least by the standards this season, but Anthony Richardson still outscores him by 9 ppg, even with the dud last week

Richardson's ceiling is higher, is floor is also lower.  Depends on what you want from your QB.  Right now, Stroud is better than Mahomes.  That's not just two weeks either.  He was better than Mahomes last year too.  Stroud averaged 18.7 fpg, Mahomes 18.4.  It's all about your comfort level.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

at home in dome Richardson = good

away outside dome Richardson = not so good 

[rotisserieking 37]

3 hours ago, wolves111 said:

The Bears had a guy whose name escapes me but that's all I remember. 

Jay Cutler?

[TBayXXXVII 2,328]

1 hour ago, rotisserieking said:

Jay Cutler?

Not in the 90's.  Cutler was a rookie in the early 2000's.  He came out the same year as Leinart and Young.  I don't remember the exact year, but it was after 2000.

90's Bears was Harbaugh, wasn't it?

 

ETA:  Duh, we're on the freaking internet.   I'm guessing he's thinking about '95 with Erik Kramer.  He was 7th in yards and 4th in TD's that year.

[listen2me 23 1,692]

7 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

He's Lamar Jackson without the elite defense.  

I dont think Lamar deserved MVP last year.   I understand they were blowing teams out.  Not sure what they have against Allen.   

But 2 MVPs is tough to muster.  

Hes still raw so I am not saying hes bad cased closed.  But as a Packers fan I was hopeful last week half in part knowing Richardson is gettable.  

Fantasy wise yeah hes like auto solid as long as he keep using legs.  He will get hurt over and over the more he keeps his upside in fantasy.  If that makes any sense.  

[listen2me 23 1,692]

6 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

That Pierce bomb was cool, but watch the tape... it was chuck-it-up and pray.  Followed it up with a deep Td pass to Dulin which actually required some touch. Also delivered a couple nice strikes over the middle... some while on the run. Nice.  Then there were SEVERAL throws where the ball went sailing 5 yards over the receiver's head, like what happened on the INT. And he threw often into heavy coverage, and got lucky a few of them weren't picked off as well.

Week 1: 50% completion rate

Week 2: 47.4% completion rate

3 Tds / 4 Ints

Jekyll & Hyde

He's got an arm cannon, but just like in college - his accuracy is terrible.  If he wasn't such a prolific runner, he probably wouldn't even be a back-up.

Thats what I say about Lamar.  You take Lamar's legs away and hes a backup.  Fields isnt in the league. 

Richardson is not a good passer at all.   But hes played so few real games in NFL and college that hes still very raw.   I think you can fix accuracy.    But it more comes from the mind and putting yourself in good situations to throw an accurate ball.  

If a guy like Lamar developed more of a on time passing game hed be unstoppable.  These guys see light coverage all day.   

[listen2me 23 1,692]

6 hours ago, plasma george said:

Agreed, reminds me of Jeff George.

So is anyone benching him, and for who ?  Our WW has Carr, Geno and Darnold (I drafted Tua, and really think I should pickup one of these 3)

Im in the market to add a qb.  If I go cheap I like to have options.   I have Daniels and Lawrence in one league.  I can maybe drop Lawrence but I want to give it a second.  If I feel my teams good I look to playoff schedule.  

I like Geno.  New coach uptempo.  Has played very well even if stats arent quite there.  He has some ability to grab 25 yards running.  Great weapons.  Walker hurt.  They get into some good games with good teams and I can see 300 yard games.  

[nobody 2,342]

9 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Real football = bad

Fake fantasy football = very good

FF is so skewed to running QBs.  Its sorta dumb.  

That's a good point.  The reason PPR came along was because managers that were able to draft Tomlinson, Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander, Jamaal Charles, Arian Foster, etc. they had such a huge advantage.  PPR intended to balance the scoring a bit even though now it's too skewed to receivers.

We should tweak the QB scoring such that QBs get the same number of points for rushing yards as passing yards.

[polecatt 445]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

That's a good point.  The reason PPR came along was because managers that were able to draft Tomlinson, Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander, Jamaal Charles, Arian Foster, etc. they had such a huge advantage.  PPR intended to balance the scoring a bit even though now it's too skewed to receivers.

We should tweak the QB scoring such that QBs get the same number of points for rushing yards as passing yards.

My league is kind of balanced out a bit more in that sense.

We have 1 pt per 25 yds on the ground and 1 pt per 50 yds pass. We get a 6pt bonus at 100/300 though. So QBs rarely get more than 1 or 2 pts for rushing yds. Not many ever rush for 100 yds. All TDs are 6 pts, and over 40 yds is 12 pts, and over 50 yds is 15 pts.

The thing about Anthony Richarson, his normal passing may not be great, but everything else is off the charts. His deep ball is sensational. He can rush for 100 yds. He can break a long TD run. He will have some 300 yd games too. His single game upside is so high it's ridiculous.

[TBayXXXVII 2,328]

13 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

I dont think Lamar deserved MVP last year.   I understand they were blowing teams out.  Not sure what they have against Allen.   

But 2 MVPs is tough to muster.  

Hes still raw so I am not saying hes bad cased closed.  But as a Packers fan I was hopeful last week half in part knowing Richardson is gettable.  

Fantasy wise yeah hes like auto solid as long as he keep using legs.  He will get hurt over and over the more he keeps his upside in fantasy.  If that makes any sense.  

I don't know if he'll be like Jackson, but as of right now, their careers are very similar through 6 games.

[polecatt 445]

I don't think you can judge this guy the same way you do most QBs, or any really. 

We've been so conditioned to the West Coast offense, dink and dunk style QB. A guy who can really air it out down the field isn't gonna have a high completion % but his YPA are off the charts. In my league where we get big long ball bonus, there's just no way not to start this guy with the kind of upside he has any given week.

He was the top QB in week 1 and only completed 9 passes, and it's not like he had killer rushing stats.

His 49.1% completion rate is last among starters, but he has a league-high 13.7 air yards per attempt. Think about that, air yards per attempt. That's a crazy YPC number. That's insane.

[weepaws 2,816]

That is a lot of YPC, but hard to ignore how bad a 49% completion rate is in the nfl, I think Downs might be some help for Richardson.  

[LVSaint429 9]

On 9/18/2024 at 5:15 PM, nobody said:

That's a good point.  The reason PPR came along was because managers that were able to draft Tomlinson, Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander, Jamaal Charles, Arian Foster, etc. they had such a huge advantage.  PPR intended to balance the scoring a bit even though now it's too skewed to receivers.

We should tweak the QB scoring such that QBs get the same number of points for rushing yards as passing yards.

All leagues need to adopt all TDs being scored 6 pts. It would help balance pocket passers vs the scramblers

[weepaws 2,816]

2 minutes ago, LVSaint429 said:

All leagues need to adopt all TDs being scored 6 pts. It would help balance pocket passers vs the scramblers

Been in my big money league since 1988, been trying to vote it back in, I think it’s the way it should be.  

[polecatt 445]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

That is a lot of YPC, but hard to ignore how bad a 49% completion rate is in the nfl, I think Downs might be some help for Richardson.  

It is, but I wonder what most QBs completion % is passing 10-15 yards down the field, probably drops a good bit for most of them

[weepaws 2,816]

39 minutes ago, polecatt said:

It is, but I wonder what most QBs completion % is passing 10-15 yards down the field, probably drops a good bit for most of them

Would say so, also doesn’t help sustain a lot of drives.  

[polecatt 445]

31 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Would say so, also doesn’t help sustain a lot of drives.  

Well, it's less efficient, but only takes one completion for a 1st down

[Ray_T 687]

On 9/18/2024 at 8:37 AM, listen2me 23 said:

Real football = bad

Fake fantasy football = very good

FF is so skewed to running QBs.  Its sorta dumb.  

truth.

I remember when Tim Teebow was a thing.    top notch fantasy QB but terrible actual QB.  

 

[kilroy69 1,114]

He is absolute trash. I have said it before but the team is good. The qb is terrible. If flacco was their qb they would be 3-0 

[Ray_T 687]

32 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

He is absolute trash. I have said it before but the team is good. The qb is terrible. If flacco was their qb they would be 3-0 

maybe.  I think Flacco or Dalton would have been better.

but once you throw that kind of cash out you are more or less committed to that player until the GM gets fired for that signing.

[easilyscan 640]

49 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

maybe.  I think Flacco or Dalton would have been better.

but once you throw that kind of cash out you are more or less committed to that player until the GM gets fired for that signing.

Good points.

It's only one game, but look at Dalton today 

Panthers	Comp/Att	Yds	TD	Int
A. Dalton	25/36	322	3	0

[Ray_T 687]

well, he knows how to run a pro offense.   with some luck the kid was paying attention and not pouting.

he could learn from the experience if hes that way inclined.

[weepaws 2,816]

2 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Good points.

It's only one game, but look at Dalton today 

Panthers	Comp/Att	Yds	TD	Int
A. Dalton	25/36	322	3	0

What a great day for Mr Dalton.