Controversial death penalty execution allowed to proceed in Missouri today

[cmh6476 1,009]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/missouri-execution-marcellus-williams-supreme-court-denies-stay-1235111238/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3q0uhIJq4FcRutpeywwuuOC9A9ILD2Iv0Bb9qNpyqX1_1LCDXEvjmIol8_aem_j_jjwFzpWcQ7_ViP2yQvJg

Getting a lot of attention from my "friends" on social media

[weepaws 3,149]

How about controversial abortions taking place daily, because, murdering moms don’t want their kids.  

[cmh6476 1,009]

Just now, weepaws said:

How about controversial abortions taking place daily, because, murdering moms don’t want their kids.  

That's on the ballot in November.   Quit trying to derail the thread on post #1 TIA

[seafoam1 2,797]

12 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/missouri-execution-marcellus-williams-supreme-court-denies-stay-1235111238/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3q0uhIJq4FcRutpeywwuuOC9A9ILD2Iv0Bb9qNpyqX1_1LCDXEvjmIol8_aem_j_jjwFzpWcQ7_ViP2yQvJg

Getting a lot of attention from my "friends" on social media

"Friends" is right. That's the only.kind you have. 

[jerryskids 6,547]

I used to be for the death penalty, but now I oppose it.  Cases like this are part of the reason, although Rolling Stone is so Leftie, it's hard to tell how accurate it is.

But in the general sense, I don't think the government should be in the business of killing it's citizens, especially in the larger sense that I believe the government is generally incompetent at most things.

[cmh6476 1,009]

19 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

"Friends" is right. That's the only.kind you have. 

I have over 3k Facebook friends.   Ain't all of them friends

[Strike 5,182]

I've actually  been following this case pretty closely.  The evidence is very strong for guilt here.  The "new" evidence isn't new.  The big reveal was that his DNA wasn't on the knife used to kill the victim.  This turned out to be a falsehood.  It's true they couldn't find any but that's because the knife had been contaminated with the DNA of people who worked the original trial.  Even the defense's own expert witness testified that he couldn't say that Williams' DNA WASN'T on the knife, just that there were multiple DNA samples.  That's unfortunate but the conviction didn't rely on DNA to begin with.  The other evidence was sufficient to convict and sentence him to death.  Additionally, a previous governor had appointed a special panel of judges to look in to the case and, after SIX years, they still hadn't come to a conclusion.  The current governor said enough is enough and disbanded that commission, and I agree with that decision.  You should be able to form a conclusion after six years absent some new revelation about the crime.  Neither the defense or the people up in arms over this case have refuted one piece of evidence that actually tied Williams to the crime, such as all the victims belongings being found in his car, the FACT that he sold the victim's husband's laptop a day or two after the crime was committed, etc.....This case is only "controversial" due to the activists using it to push their agenda. 

To Jerry's point - I would rather we come up with a new standard of guilt for capital cases.  I've said this before.  I think the standard should be "beyond ALL doubt" instead of "beyond reasonable doubt."  That would also allow us to expedite the execution of the sentence.  However, absent that I'm ok with the current process although I'd still be in favor of expediting executing the sentence.  I don't believe in abolishing the death penalty.  There are simply some cases where it is an appropriate punishment.

On another note, there was another execution tonight.  In Texas.  Good riddance to both of them.

[cmh6476 1,009]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've actually  been following this case pretty closely.  The evidence is very strong for guilt here.  The "new" evidence isn't new.  The big reveal was that his DNA wasn't on the knife used to kill the victim.  This turned out to be a falsehood.  It's true they couldn't find any but that's because the knife had been contaminated with the DNA of people who worked the original trial.  Even the defense's own expert witness testified that he couldn't say that Williams' DNA WASN'T on the knife, just that there were multiple DNA samples.  That's unfortunate but the conviction didn't rely on DNA to begin with.  The other evidence was sufficient to convict and sentence him to death.  Additionally, a previous governor had appointed a special panel of judges to look in to the case and, after SIX years, they still hadn't come to a conclusion.  The current governor said enough is enough and disbanded that commission, and I agree with that decision.  You should be able to form a conclusion after six years absent some new revelation about the crime.  Neither the defense or the people up in arms over this case have refuted one piece of evidence that actually tied Williams to the crime, such as all the victims belongings being found in his car, the FACT that he sold the victim's husband's laptop a day or two after the crime was committed, etc.....This case is only "controversial" due to the activists using it to push their agenda. 

To Jerry's point - I would rather we come up with a new standard of guilt for capital cases.  I've said this before.  I think the standard should be "beyond ALL doubt" instead of "beyond reasonable doubt."  That would also allow us to expedite the execution of the sentence.  However, absent that I'm ok with the current process although I'd still be in favor of expediting executing the sentence.  I don't believe in abolishing the death penalty.  There are simply some cases where it is an appropriate punishment.

On another note, there was another execution tonight.  In Texas.  Good riddance to both of them.

Seems sensible

[Bill E. 703]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

How about controversial abortions taking place daily, because, murdering moms don’t want their kids.  

This alias is getting old .

[IndyColtsFan 325]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

"Friends" is right. That's the only.kind you have. 

Toofy and I have been friends for decades, despite him being slightly more right than me. 

He's a great guy who has been through some stuff like all of us have.

He has substance and humility, while you represent the kids who should be seen but not heard, yet you bring the WPOAT with every lame, unfunny, shallow, repetitive and waste-of-bandwidth post.

[jonnyutah 248]

Didnt they have somebody at trial testify killer wore gloves? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I used to be for the death penalty, but now I oppose it.  Cases like this are part of the reason, although Rolling Stone is so Leftie, it's hard to tell how accurate it is.

But in the general sense, I don't think the government should be in the business of killing it's citizens, especially in the larger sense that I believe the government is generally incompetent at most things.

That’s kind of where I am. Except Pedos  execute them 

I think they should all be put on an island and we can start watching running man 

[seafoam1 2,797]

7 hours ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Toofy and I have been friends for decades, despite him being slightly more right than me. 

He's a great guy who has been through some stuff like all of us have.

He has substance and humility, while you represent the kids who should be seen but not heard, yet you bring the WPOAT with every lame, unfunny, shallow, repetitive and waste-of-bandwidth post.

Wow, pimpledoosh finally made a "friend" after trolling web sites for the last 25 years.  

You go cat lady. 

[jonnyutah 248]

This case is a perfect example of media bias, leftist obedience, and black loyalty to murderers. 

[cmh6476 1,009]

30 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

This case is a perfect example of media bias, leftist obedience, and black loyalty to murderers. 

People I know and respect are out there "I've called the governor's office, this is so sad, everyone is asking for a stay of execution.  I'm never voting Republican again!@#!"  type stuff.  Like you were really voting Republican before

As much as I would love to cut and paste Strike's logic to a post asking "Help me help this make sense" posts, I'm a lot smarter than engaging in that dialogue.

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

9 hours ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Toofy and I have been friends for decades, despite him being slightly more right than me. 

He's a great guy who has been through some stuff like all of us have.

He has substance and humility, while you represent the kids who should be seen but not heard, yet you bring the WPOAT with every lame, unfunny, shallow, repetitive and waste-of-bandwidth post.

slightly more right than you? 

Are you so embarrassed to be a lefty that you have try and gaslight everyone that a you're righty? 

GTFO you lying sack of sh#t.  We've got the receipts.   You ain't fooling anyone.

[posty 2,608]

9 hours ago, Bill E. said:

This alias is getting old .

Getting???  

Just a suggestion, put them on ignore...

[jonnyutah 248]

24 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

People I know and respect are out there "I've called the governor's office, this is so sad, everyone is asking for a stay of execution.  I'm never voting Republican again!@#!"  type stuff.  Like you were really voting Republican before

As much as I would love to cut and paste Strike's logic to a post asking "Help me help this make sense" posts, I'm a lot smarter than engaging in that dialogue.

 

The same schlubs that will tell you "touch dna" is flawed in one case where it shows guilt and the evidence actually has a solid modern chain of custody routine will be out there emotionally pleading that a man is innocent over touch dna testing of things that have knowingly been touched by multiple people or begging for said items to be tested from before the existence of said testing. 

Zero critical thinking skills. Just blind loyalty to the team. 

[jonnyutah 248]

This POS sold the laptop that was stolen from the crime scene. Like they found the actual laptop and everything. The guy he sold it to testified against him  

His excuse... My girlfriend gave it to me. 

The murder victims purse was found in his trunk.

He dindu nuffin he was framed.

[edjr 6,578]

finally rid of cmh

[IndyColtsFan 325]

2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

slightly more right than you? 

Are you so embarrassed to be a lefty that you have try and gaslight everyone that a you're righty? 

GTFO you lying sack of sh#t.  We've got the receipts.   You ain't fooling anyone.

Cool. Name one lefty position I've stated. 

You can't.

Just because I can't stand Clownzo and your MAGAturd ilk doesn't make me a lefty, idiot.

[cmh6476 1,009]

40 minutes ago, edjr said:

finally rid of cmh

You're a doosh who sits behind a computer all day and biggest life accomplishments appear to be content posted here.   You post more crap about sports franchises in a specific city yet try to call out others on crap you do yourself.   Gaslighting at is finest.   I'll be fine and you can get bent. 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

31 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Cool. Name one lefty position I've stated. 

You can't.

Just because I can't stand Clownzo and your MAGAturd ilk doesn't make me a lefty, idiot.

Sure, buddy.  Whatever you have to say to delude yourself.  We have your entire posting history.  You can't hide from it.  It exposes your entire claim as nothing more than a pathetic attempt to hide the fact you're a far left nut job. 

GTFO, you lying...sack....of....sh#t.  

 

[IndyColtsFan 325]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Sure, buddy.  Whatever you have to say to delude yourself.  We have your entire posting history.  You can't hide from it.  It exposes your entire claim as nothing more than a pathetic attempt to hide the fact you're a far left nut job. 

GTFO, you lying...sack....of....sh#t.  

 

Cool. Show me in my "entire posting history" one time when I've stated a "lefty" position. 

 

[Strike 5,182]

We got another "innocent" one scheduled for execution tomorrow.  Ugh.

[jonnyutah 248]

Jeff Dahmer didnt even get the death penalty, but they couldnt wait to execute an innocent black man!

[kilroy69 1,215]

At first I thought this was bullshitt but the more I read it the more it seems correct. The media is making it out to be that he was innocent but there was more than enough evidence to prove he did it.  The cops fuckedd up the chain of evidence for NOW. For the time they followed procedure. I do not feel bad about this one.

I was always for the death penalty to be honest. I grew up right down the road from old sparky in Ga. I somewhat changed my view after I believe GA killed an innocent man a few years back. He was supposed to have beaten his wife to death with a shotgun but they never found the shotgun and he had NO blood splatter evidence when they arrested him hours later. There is ZERO chance this could happen. If he beat her to death with a shotgun there is no chance he could fully get rid of every single spec of blood. I have a friend who was an investigator for the GBI and when I asked her about the chances of this happening she said there is no chance. That even when people clean themselves after a murder like that they ALWAYS miss spots. Especially when you are talking about beating someone to death 

 

Lance went to Wood’s home the night of Nov. 8, 1997, kicked in the front door and shot Wood in the front and back with a shotgun and then beat Joy Lance to death with the butt of the shotgun, according to a Georgia Supreme Court summary of the case.

There were no witnesses and no murder weapon was ever found. Lance’s lawyers have argued that no blood or other physical evidence linked him to the killings but that investigators immediately focused on him to the exclusion of other suspects. Lawyers for the state have argued in court filings that the evidence against Lance “although circumstantial, was overwhelming.”

 

 

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[Engorgeous George 2,117]

14 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

Jeff Dahmer didnt even get the death penalty, but they couldnt wait to execute an innocent black man!

Yes he did.  Wisconsin handles the death penalty a bit differently is all.  Instead of seeking that as an officvial sentence then demanding decades of appeals they just convict ,sentence to a long term, and then turn the guy lose in the general population at their prisons.  The execution is then carried out by the prisoners, as it was with Dahmer.  Really it is the most effcient system other than Texas' which is if you are guilty, black, retgarded or of low intelligence, and have no money they execute you on the day of trial whether a verdict has been reached yet or not.

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

On 9/24/2024 at 10:34 PM, Strike said:

I think the standard should be "beyond ALL doubt" instead of "beyond reasonable doubt."

I think you'd see a lot less convictions if this were the case.

[Mike Honcho 5,082]

37 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Yes he did.  Wisconsin handles the death penalty a bit differently is all.  Instead of seeking that as an officvial sentence then demanding decades of appeals they just convict ,sentence to a long term, and then turn the guy lose in the general population at their prisons.  The execution is then carried out by the prisoners, as it was with Dahmer.  Really it is the most effcient system other than Texas' which is if you are guilty, black, retgarded or of low intelligence, and have no money they execute you on the day of trial whether a verdict has been reached yet or not.

You're retgarded! 

[Mike Honcho 5,082]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think you'd see a lot less convictions if this were the case.

I think he means to impose the death penalty the standard would need to be "beyond all doubt", other wise if the jury only felt it was "reasonable doubt" the sentence would be life. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

12 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I think he means to impose the death penalty the standard would need to be "beyond all doubt", other wise if the jury only felt it was "reasonable doubt" the sentence would be life. 

So how would that work?  If you convict beyond reasonable doubt but say there's some doubt as to why you can't fry the person, then there is SOME doubt.  If you have some doubt, then you're saying you're not convinced.  If you're not convinced, then you can't convict.

Jury: "Oh yeah, we're convinced they're guilty".

Judge: "Ok, thanks.  Death penalty".

Jury: "Well, wait...."

Everyone else: "Huh?"

[Strike 5,182]

25 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think you'd see a lot less convictions if this were the case.

That standard would apply in death penalty cases.  If you're not going for the death penalty you would be held to the reasonable doubt standard.  If you can't prove it beyond all doubt don't go for the death penalty.

[Mike Honcho 5,082]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

That standard would apply in death penalty cases.  If you're not going for the death penalty you would be held to the reasonable doubt standard.  If you can't prove it beyond all doubt don't go for the death penalty.

What he said.  

[squistion 1,942]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Yes he did.  Wisconsin handles the death penalty a bit differently is all.  Instead of seeking that as an officvial sentence then demanding decades of appeals they just convict ,sentence to a long term, and then turn the guy lose in the general population at their prisons.  The execution is then carried out by the prisoners, as it was with Dahmer.  Really it is the most effcient system other than Texas' which is if you are guilty, black, retgarded or of low intelligence, and have no money they execute you on the day of trial whether a verdict has been reached yet or not.

Dahmer asked to be put in the general population in the prison he was in.

[Strike 5,182]

Unrelated but tangential, Japan just acquitted the man who was the world's longest sitting death row inmate until he was released and granted a new trial about 10 years ago.  Dude spent about 46 years on death row due to corrupt cops.  I found out reading about this case that Japan has a 99% conviction rate.  Anyone who thinks our system is focked up should read up on theirs.

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

From what I've read of the case, the man was guilty.  He even admitted to it.