Lebron James - 20 years - 4 titles. Did he squander his chance at GOAT?

[edjr 6,578]

Sorry. All that talent and 4 titles? Not good enough

Magic won 5 in 14 and those whole aids thing

Larry Bird won 3 in 13 and that bad back thing

Magic and Larry prevented each other from winning a potential 8 titles? Who prevented Lebron? Himself.

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2 minutes ago, edjr said:

Sorry. All that talent and 4 titles? Not good enough

Magic won 5 in 14 and those whole aids thing

Larry Bird won 3 in 13 and that bad back thing

Magic and Larry prevented each other from winning a potential 8 titles? Who prevented Lebron? Himself.

Diddy

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A big knock for me was him selecting his teams.

 

80s/90s lakers and celtics were excellent teams, but magic and bird were not jumping to others to win championships.

 

i vaguely recall a year or two of some older all-star/potential HOF players going to phoenix...but very rare

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5 minutes ago, edjr said:

Sorry. All that talent and 4 titles? Not good enough

Magic won 5 in 14 and those whole aids thing

Larry Bird won 3 in 13 and that bad back thing

Magic and Larry prevented each other from winning a potential 8 titles? Who prevented Lebron? Himself.

Don't forget, he even tried to build a Super Team and couldn't get the job done.

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5 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

A big knock for me was him selecting his teams.

 

80s/90s lakers and celtics were excellent teams, but magic and bird were not jumping to others to win championships.

 

i vaguely recall a year or two of some older all-star/potential HOF players going to phoenix...but very rare

Barkley was traded to Phoenix in '92.  The following year, they signed AC Green to be a Sixth Man.  That's really all there was.

What you're probably thinking about is Karl Malone, Horace Grant, & Gary Payton trying to cash in on Shaq and Kobe's final year together in LA back in 2003-04.

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4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Barkley was traded to Phoenix in '92.  The following year, they signed AC Green to be a Sixth Man.  That's really all there was.

What you're probably thinking about is Karl Malone, Horace Grant, & Gary Payton trying to cash in on Shaq and Kobe's final year together in LA back in 2003-04.

yes...

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Maybe Lequit just wasn't that good so no I don't think be squandered it.  Don't get me wrong.   He's a great player, just not GOAT level.

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Don't forget, he even tried to build a Super Team and couldn't get the job done.

Are you talking about Miami?  

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

Sorry. All that talent and 4 titles? Not good enough

Magic won 5 in 14 and those whole aids thing

Larry Bird won 3 in 13 and that bad back thing

Magic and Larry prevented each other from winning a potential 8 titles? Who prevented Lebron? Himself.

Steph Curry

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35 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Steph Curry

Plenty of curry threads you can spin your garbage in. 

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8 minutes ago, edjr said:

Plenty of curry threads you can spin your garbage in. 

I was answering your question of who prevented Lebron from winning more titles, dummy

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His arrogance got the better of him. Even if he had a much better career and could make a legitimate case for GOAT, his likability is at the same level as squition’s here.  

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Who?

[The Real timschochet 6,443]

Listen I root for the Los Angeles Angels. Ask Mike Trout if LeBron wasted his career. 

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MJ

Kareem

Kobe

Magic

Bird

Lebron 

Kobe, Magic, and Bird are kind of tied for me. 

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No OP, MJ wasn’t going to be passed.  

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MJ was never getting passed. Ever. 

Why is LeBron more of a jr. GOAT than Duncan or Kobe? Both have more titles and played in the same era against each other. 

LeBron is somewhere in the top 10, maybe even 15, around Curry. Kareem compiled plenty of stats and rings, I don't think anybody thinks he's the GOAT. LeBron is the new Kareem. Phenomenal player, probably not top 5 all-tine.

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4 hours ago, edjr said:

Sorry. All that talent and 4 titles? Not good enough

Magic won 5 in 14 and those whole aids thing

Larry Bird won 3 in 13 and that bad back thing

Magic and Larry prevented each other from winning a potential 8 titles? Who prevented Lebron? Himself.

Unfortunately for Lebron. Stephen Curry happened. 

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13 minutes ago, Reality said:

MJ was never getting passed. Ever. 

Why is LeBron more of a jr. GOAT than Duncan or Kobe? Both have more titles and played in the same era against each other. 

LeBron is somewhere in the top 10, maybe even 15, around Curry. Kareem compiled plenty of stats and rings, I don't think anybody thinks he's the GOAT. LeBron is the new Kareem. Phenomenal player, probably not top 5 all-tine.

Duncan over Lebron?  lol 

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24 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Duncan over Lebron?  lol 

It’s the LeBron maybe in the top 15 that gets me

 

MJ is the only one who’s better. Lot of LeBron haters in this thread.

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19 minutes ago, dain11279 said:

It’s the LeBron maybe in the top 15 that gets me

 

MJ is the only one who’s better. Lot of LeBron haters in this thread.

I hate Lebron but hes top 2 or 3 or 4.  Probably 2.  Yeah MJ trumps all.  Hed of had an 8 peat in that era if he didnt take off for baseball.  

Lebrons longevity is impressive.  But when you see QBs playing well into their 40s.  Thr big 3 in tennis just dwarfing longevity in tennis.  MJ was drinking Miller Lites after a big game.  

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Duncan should have made more commercials, his 5 rings and monster stats would be more respected.

I also don't understand why it's a given that LeBron passes Kobe. Kobe has 5 as well.

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I know it’s a different league but given his dominant numbers I do think Wilt Chamberlain ought to get some consideration here. 

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8 minutes ago, Reality said:

Duncan should have made more commercials, his 5 rings and monster stats would be more respected.

Maybe he should have also scored more points, got more assists, more steals, and shot better from the free throw line.

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He loves his Diddy parties that's for sure. He played like a big baby. The amount of flops he took was not how the GOAT acts. Jordan is the GOAT. Wemby might take thar crown one day.

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11 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Lebrons longevity is impressive.  

not. 

There are nine NBA players who have played 20 or more seasons in the NBA:

Vince Carter: The only player to play 22 seasons, Carter played for the Raptors, Nets, Magic, Suns, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Hawks, and Kings.
LeBron James: Played 21 seasons for the Cavaliers, Heat, and Lakers.
Dirk Nowitzki: Played 21 seasons for the Mavericks.
Kevin Garnett: Played 21 seasons for the Timberwolves, Celtics, and Nets.
Kevin Willis: Played 21 seasons for the Hawks, Heat, Warriors, Rockets, Nuggets, Spurs, and Mavericks.
Robert Parish: Played 21 seasons for the Warriors, Celtics, Hornets, and Bulls.
Udonis Haslem: Played 20 seasons for the Heat.
Jamal Crawford: Played 20 seasons for the Bulls, Knicks, Warriors, Hawks, Trail Blazers, Clippers, Timberwolves, Suns, and Nets.
Kobe Bryant: Played 20 seasons for the Lakers. 

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11 hours ago, Reality said:

Duncan should have made more commercials, his 5 rings and monster stats would be more respected.

I also don't understand why it's a given that LeBron passes Kobe. Kobe has 5 as well.

Lebron should have won at least 2, 3 more easy. He told us he was going to  

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48 minutes ago, edjr said:

not. 

There are nine NBA players who have played 20 or more seasons in the NBA:

Vince Carter: The only player to play 22 seasons, Carter played for the Raptors, Nets, Magic, Suns, Mavericks, Grizzlies, Hawks, and Kings.
LeBron James: Played 21 seasons for the Cavaliers, Heat, and Lakers.
Dirk Nowitzki: Played 21 seasons for the Mavericks.
Kevin Garnett: Played 21 seasons for the Timberwolves, Celtics, and Nets.
Kevin Willis: Played 21 seasons for the Hawks, Heat, Warriors, Rockets, Nuggets, Spurs, and Mavericks.
Robert Parish: Played 21 seasons for the Warriors, Celtics, Hornets, and Bulls.
Udonis Haslem: Played 20 seasons for the Heat.
Jamal Crawford: Played 20 seasons for the Bulls, Knicks, Warriors, Hawks, Trail Blazers, Clippers, Timberwolves, Suns, and Nets.
Kobe Bryant: Played 20 seasons for the Lakers. 

9 guys in history of league?  Lol.  

And dont you think level of play at the end of those runs is what counts?  Dirk avg like 7pts a game his last year.  

Stop babbling 

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

9 guys in history of league?  Lol.  

And dont you think level of play at the end of those runs is what counts?  Dirk avg like 7pts a game his last year.  

Stop babbling 

4 titles in 20+ years. Best ever?    Stop babbling and tell us how Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT.

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

4 titles in 20+ years. Best ever?    Stop babbling and tell us how Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT.

It’s really stupid to judge best ever by the number of titles. In any team sport. 

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

4 titles in 20+ years. Best ever?    Stop babbling and tell us how Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT.

Who in this thread said he was the best ever?  But saying “maybe top 15” is pretty laughable

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I’d say Lebrons IQ is way lower than MJ, Magic, Bird and the rest. Probably around a 78.