Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency

[avoiding injuries 1,511]

Late to the thread, but mark me down for having zero concerns going into his presidency. 

[HotRod 69]

I'm concerned that I will be bored now that I can retire early.

[jonmx 2,424]

I am concerned that there will be free speech once again and I won't have government trolls censoring anti-authoritarian comments. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

I’m concerned the cartels will lay low and we won’t have a chance to completely destroy them. 

[jbycho 599]

I'm concerned that without Pelosi no one will step up and spend all their days color coordinating state of the union outfits.

And who will tear up Trump's speech right after he gives it? 

I can only hope that democrats are in meetings right now working on these crucial topics.

[jonmx 2,424]

I am concerned we will have Congressional hearings where both sides are heard and that important evidence will not be destroyed to advance an authoritarian agenda. 

[jonmx 2,424]

I am concerned male boxers will no longer be able to pummel female boxers to death.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

I’m concerned that parents will feel free to speak at school board meetings. 

[League Champion 1,896]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m concerned that parents will feel free to speak at school board meetings. 

That would be horrible 

[The Real timschochet 6,445]

I should mention the biggest immediate concern: inflation.. 

Inflation has been awful during the Biden years, but recently it’s gotten under control somewhat. But Trump’s first two actions- the new tariffs  and mass deportation of a significant portion of our workforces- will skyrocket prices. Add that to the immediate corporate tax cut coming which will balloon the annual deficit even beyond its current untenable amount- and inflation is going to go through the roof. I hope I’m wrong. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I should mention the biggest immediate concern: inflation.. 

  Inflation has been awful during the Biden years, but recently it’s gotten under control somewhat

"Somewhat" 

[Voltaire 5,202]

Maybe the interruption of Joe Biden with his totally legitimate 81million votes serves a greater purpose because all the swamp rats came out of the woodworks and exposed themselves. This time he'll have both houses of Congress as well as the various court decisions to help him out. He has the broad mandate of not just the electoral college but also the majority of the votes. In his first term, President Trump was a Washington outsider and he leaned on too many leftover Bushtards insider crooks, that quietly hated him.

This time he knows the lay of the land so much better.  This time he can get a full reset of government and hopefully give the swamp the good, thorough scrubbing that he'd promised last time. Apparently Elon is up for the task, he just shrank Twitter's workforce by 80% without any noticeable impact on service, it not hard to imagine they can get rid of all these massive mounds of regulations written by executive office officials rather than Congress as is the way things are supposed to work.

He's also been honed in the crucible of transparently fake lawfare, transparently fake impeachments, and two assassination attempts. They've fined him and continue to threaten to strip him of all his NY real estate for bullsh*t reasons. The corrupt evil leftoid scum threw everything they had at him and he weathered the storm and his coming back stronger then ever. He was shot in the ear, two centimeters from dead. Its all very poetic 'Hand of God/Mandate of Heaven' type stuff.

This second term is setting up to be the most impactful course correctional presidency we've had since FDR. Hurricane Donald is heading straight for DC on January 20th and it'll be glorious when it hits.

[purdygood 334]

I'm concerned that a bunch of MAGA's will start to think they have a sense of humor and are actually funny.  (They're not)

[Voltaire 5,202]

4 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I'm concerned that a bunch of MAGA's will start to think they have a sense of humor and are actually funny.  (They're not)

We'll be laughing and celebrating anyway. You don't have to join in, we don't expect it. As a citizen of the country, four years from now you'll still be entitled to reap your share of the benefits bestowed on you anyway, even if you'r not happy about it right about now.

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

12 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I'm concerned that a bunch of MAGA's will start to think they have a sense of humor and are actually funny.  (They're not)

From watching Liberals after the election, I don't see any sense of humor. I see crying and mental breakdowns. 

[jerryskids 6,575]

11 hours ago, Death said:

So much for "serious discussion only," throwing out that tired TDS label.

You can't even adhere to your own request for being reasonable.

Fair point, I apologize.

Care to tell me why you think abortion, or maybe a more general "reproductive rights," is a reasonable concern, and how it might be different under Trump vs. Harris?   

[BrahmaBulls 628]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I should mention the biggest immediate concern: inflation.. 

Inflation has been awful during the Biden years, but recently it’s gotten under control somewhat. But Trump’s first two actions- the new tariffs  and mass deportation of a significant portion of our workforces- will skyrocket prices. Add that to the immediate corporate tax cut coming which will balloon the annual deficit even beyond its current untenable amount- and inflation is going to go through the roof. I hope I’m wrong. 

You usually are

[Strike 5,214]

3 hours ago, HotRod said:

I'm concerned that I will be bored now that I can retire early.

This is in the vein of my first post in this thread but, alas, Jerry did not think it worthy of inclusion as a concern

[jonmx 2,424]

I am afraid on Jan. 21, 2025 the leftist who abused citizens rights will have too many things to fear as they will be held accountable for those abuses. 

[Mike Hunt 261]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m concerned that parents will feel free to speak at school board meetings. 

They have been.   School Board members with the woke agenda all over the country were ousted in this last cycle. All three in our district were ousted for common sense members.

[Death 301]

5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Fair point, I apologize.

Care to tell me why you think abortion, or maybe a more general "reproductive rights," is a reasonable concern, and how it might be different under Trump vs. Harris?   

Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester unless with the exception of rape, incest and the mother's health.

To force a pregnant woman to deliver a terribly deformed child that can't live outside the womb and might kill the mom if delivered is barbaric. 

To force an 11-year-old girl to deliver a baby that was the result of her dad raping her is barbaric.

Sure, Trump has said he would veto a national abortion ban, but will he? A lot of pressure is coming from the evangelical far right, the folks that are at the heart of his base.

I believe abortion for convenience during the first trimester is morally reprehensible, but here's where a woman should have a right to do what she wants to her body.

I wish there was some kind of incentive to carry a healthy baby to term and adopt it out, but then you'd have a bunch of people taking advantage of that and becoming baby mills.

One of the more disgusting lies coming out of the far right during this past election was the claim that Democrats support late-term abortions of healthy babies and post-birth baby killings, but that's just flat-our wrong. No one wants that.

Perhaps the biggest winner of the election is misinformation. 

Herman Goring was quoted as saying something about if a lie is repeated over and over, people will believe it and the one spreading the lie will eventually believe it himself.

I see that playing out with Trump, MAGA and the far right here on this board every day. Instead of Jews, MAGA's targets are immigrants, Democrats and the LGBTQ community.

It's 1930s Germany all over again. If so, people won't believe what's happening until it's too late.

I'm watching to see whether Trump makes good on his threat to pull the licenses for the major broadcasting companies. Crushing the critics and controlling the media message will be among the first steps en route to the autocracy that Trump and his people want to create. 

[jerryskids 6,575]

1 hour ago, Death said:

Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester unless with the exception of rape, incest and the mother's health.

To force a pregnant woman to deliver a terribly deformed child that can't live outside the womb and might kill the mom if delivered is barbaric. 

To force an 11-year-old girl to deliver a baby that was the result of her dad raping her is barbaric.

Sure, Trump has said he would veto a national abortion ban, but will he? A lot of pressure is coming from the evangelical far right, the folks that are at the heart of his base.

I believe abortion for convenience during the first trimester is morally reprehensible, but here's where a woman should have a right to do what she wants to her body.

I wish there was some kind of incentive to carry a healthy baby to term and adopt it out, but then you'd have a bunch of people taking advantage of that and becoming baby mills.

One of the more disgusting lies coming out of the far right during this past election was the claim that Democrats support late-term abortions of healthy babies and post-birth baby killings, but that's just flat-our wrong. No one wants that.

Perhaps the biggest winner of the election is misinformation. 

Herman Goring was quoted as saying something about if a lie is repeated over and over, people will believe it and the one spreading the lie will eventually believe it himself.

I see that playing out with Trump, MAGA and the far right here on this board every day. Instead of Jews, MAGA's targets are immigrants, Democrats and the LGBTQ community.

It's 1930s Germany all over again. If so, people won't believe what's happening until it's too late.

I'm watching to see whether Trump makes good on his threat to pull the licenses for the major broadcasting companies. Crushing the critics and controlling the media message will be among the first steps en route to the autocracy that Trump and his people want to create. 

This is a bit all over the place, but I'll try to respond.

Abortion:  I had asked for what would be different under a Trump admin vs. Harris.  I take from this that your answer is that you are skeptical if Trump would veto a national abortion ban.  I'm sorry, but I just don't see this happening.  Trump has consistently said he has no interest in such a ban.  SCOTUS has said that this is in the purview of the states, so would almost definitely kill such a law.  And really, no states are calling for this.  I'll add to the list a potential national ban at some date, say 15 weeks, that might restrict the rights of some states.

You state that Democrats don't support late-term abortions, but that's categorically wrong.  Arizona just passed a constitutional amendment allowing abortion to birth for reasons including "mental health."  So, if a woman tells her therapist that she is super stressed about her upcoming baby and doesn't think she can handle it, that therapist can approve an abortion, regardless of time.

I also don't understand why a rape or incest victim needs a late term abortion.  Regardless, this is typical "legislating at the extremes."

Pulling licenses of major broadcasting companies:  I don't know much about this, so I'll add it for now.

Misinformation:  Not serious.  The Left targets masculinity, whites, and Trump voters.  I'd say that's a larger block.

 

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

On 11/8/2024 at 7:23 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Second concern: I want to know how this mass deportation is going to work. I do not want people who look like they might not be citizens (whatever that looks like) harassed by police and asked for papers. I do not want people encouraged to report on their neighbors, or employers asked to turn in to the police or ICE the names of people they know or suspect to be undocumented. I see this whole thing as being really ugly and scary. 

Why would you not want neighbors to report if they know illegal immigrants are renting next door or in their neighborhood?

why would you not want businesses to have to report known illegal employees?

[shorepatrol 1,870]

I'm concerned Trump and Vance will be killed

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I should mention the biggest immediate concern: inflation.. 

Inflation has been awful during the Biden years, but recently it’s gotten under control somewhat. But Trump’s first two actions- the new tariffs  and mass deportation of a significant portion of our workforces- will skyrocket prices. Add that to the immediate corporate tax cut coming which will balloon the annual deficit even beyond its current untenable amount- and inflation is going to go through the roof. I hope I’m wrong. 

Interesting that you would rather keep illegal immigrants here working low paying jobs as companies can pay them next to nothing and keep them off the books because you fear it will raise inflation… but you don’t stop to think that these same companies, for example restaurants, landscapers, construction companies… who will be forced to hire more citizens at higher wages will lead to lower class families being better positioned to afford the costs of living during what would most likely be a temporary inflation rise.  

[The Real timschochet 6,445]

18 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Why would you not want neighbors to report if they know illegal immigrants are renting next door or in their neighborhood?

why would you not want businesses to have to report known illegal employees?

Because I find it morally wrong. Evil in fact. 

[The Real timschochet 6,445]

11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Interesting that you would rather keep illegal immigrants here working low paying jobs as companies can pay them next to nothing and keep them off the books because you fear it will raise inflation… but you don’t stop to think that these same companies, for example restaurants, landscapers, construction companies… who will be forced to hire more citizens at higher wages will lead to lower class families being better positioned to afford the costs of living during what would most likely be a temporary inflation rise.  

No. Those here legally don’t want to do those jobs. And the inflation IMO would not be temporary. It would be constant and catastrophic.

[BrahmaBulls 628]

6 hours ago, Death said:

One of the more disgusting lies coming out of the far right during this past election was the claim that Democrats support late-term abortions of healthy babies and post-birth baby killings, but that's just flat-our wrong. No one wants that.

 

Your side never twists the narrative to make something a flat out lie, right?  Clean up your own party before whining about the other one.

[BrahmaBulls 628]

56 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because I find it morally wrong. Evil in fact. 

Laws > Your morals

[jbycho 599]

59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because I find it morally wrong. Evil in fact. 

You don't think it's moral to report criminal activity? So if your neighbor saw who it was that burned your house down you would think it amoral for them to report it? 

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because I find it morally wrong. Evil in fact. 

so it's not morally wrong, or evil in fact that the restaurant in your neighborhood has a kitchen full of illegal immigrants that they pay very low, under the table wages because they know the immigrants wont complain ... since they are not supposed to be here ... rather than hiring lesser educated american citizens, who might need those jobs at minimum wage?  

 

bizarre

[WhiteWonder 2,681]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. Those here legally don’t want to do those jobs. And the inflation IMO would not be temporary. It would be constant and catastrophic.

and why do you think they don't want to do those jobs?  I am curious because I have had this debate with a co worker and she says things like "legals don't want to wash dishes or clean toilets for such little money."

I then respond by reminding her that these jobs are only paying so little because the illegals taking them are willing to do them for next to nothing (because its still an improvement for them) and the business doesn't put them on the payroll. If there were not illegal immigrants to take those jobs, they would pay more by default and those who are here legally would be much more interested in doing them.  there is a trickle up effect. 

[TimHauck 2,625]

9 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Interesting that you would rather keep illegal immigrants here working low paying jobs as companies can pay them next to nothing and keep them off the books because you fear it will raise inflation… but you don’t stop to think that these same companies, for example restaurants, landscapers, construction companies… who will be forced to hire more citizens at higher wages will lead to lower class families being better positioned to afford the costs of living during what would most likely be a temporary inflation rise.  

Can’t speak for RealTim but while I wouldn’t say inflation is necessarily a reason why we shouldn’t do mass deportations, it’s certainly a concern that I think many Trump supporters don’t realize.

Wouldn’t it just be “a temporary inflation rise” in the same sense that 2021/2022 was?  The % increase has cooled significantly, but I feel like all we hear is “yeah but it’s still way up vs 2019/2020!”

Also, while higher wages for the jobs currently being filled by illegal immigrants should be good for the citizens that might fill the jobs, it wouldn’t be good for the people using the services, and could cause lower demand which then causes less of those jobs to be available.

[Sean Mooney 1,942]

9 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

and why do you think they don't want to do those jobs?  I am curious because I have had this debate with a co worker and she says things like "legals don't want to wash dishes or clean toilets for such little money."

I then respond by reminding her that these jobs are only paying so little because the illegals taking them are willing to do them for next to nothing (because its still an improvement for them) and the business doesn't put them on the payroll. If there were not illegal immigrants to take those jobs, they would pay more by default and those who are here legally would be much more interested in doing them.  there is a trickle up effect. 

Part of that trickle up effect though is that a business who maybe had 10 employees that were illegal immigrants getting paid under the table now have 10 people getting paid more and on the books- so they need to raise the prices of things in order to keep their margins where they are.

On an anecdotal semi-unrelated note- I'm friends with a guy who owns a roofing business. Good dude- hardcore MAGA guy. You go to his shop and there are tons of "Don't Tread on Me" flags, and the one with Trump as Rambo and all that, and 3 American flags on his property with signs that say things like "Love it or leave it." He does well and always has work. He has two teams that do roofs for him- of the 12 guys he employs- 10 of them are guys with questionable citizenship status. He has two white guys who are on his payroll as the foremen. He and i were pretty banged up one night and he was saying stuff like "It's great with these guys. I pay them peanuts and they just work like crazy." He also indicated at one point too that he can't get a "white guy" to work half as hard as those Mexicans even at twice the pay. 

[Sean Mooney 1,942]

A concern- well maybe two depending on how closely one thinks they are aligned together- I have about the 2nd Trump presidency is I'm worried they are going to overreach and try to do too much from a governmental cleanup side and won't understand some of the side effects of that. 

Look I'll never argue against there being waste in government agencies. There is- and being a Republican at heart I fully believe in a smaller government however, I have come to understand that there are aspects that we need government for and I think that should not be ignored even with their being bloat at spots. In Trump's first term there were people in place around him in spots that understood that government can't be completely gutted and they worked to keep some of those things in place. A lot of the chatter now is about Trump putting in guys who have loyalty to Trump and less to the institutions that help make government function. I know people love what Elon is selling about gutting branches- but government isn't poorly run because of too many people, it's poorly run because there is too much left hand and right hand not working together. Organizational structure overhauls are needed but gutting people will just put more work on more people and that won't make it run smoother. I know people love what RFK Jr. is selling but the FDA and EPA and all that serve a purpose. Are there things we can ease on or take a look at? Absolutely- but again gutting those branches into oblivion won't make things better and would most likely make things worse. I would love to see these government organizations have a hard look taken at them. Streamline processes, figure out where things can be done differently and more effectively, and set paraments going forward in a quasi audit situation. What is being set up though feels like "Just gut it all and figure it out later."

Along with that I wonder who in the second term will be the one that has the courage to tell Trump "No" on ideas. Any leader needs someone to tell them "No" on some ideas. It feels like too much of this second term is already being built around "You get to do this, and you get to do that..." with people easily capitulating to it without any sense of pushing back. Basically "Don't tell me what to do and you can do whatever you want". Hell even over the weekend Trump made some comment about essentially pushing through cabinet appointments without discussion so he gets whatever he wants and sycophant Rick Scott (a leading candidate for senate majority leader) was like "Yes, I agree. I will do that, just give me the job everyone." That was within minutes he said that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

I’m concerned that psych meds are going to be in short supply. 

[TimHauck 2,625]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

A concern- well maybe two depending on how closely one thinks they are aligned together- I have about the 2nd Trump presidency is I'm worried they are going to overreach and try to do too much from a governmental cleanup side and won't understand some of the side effects of that. 

Look I'll never argue against there being waste in government agencies. There is- and being a Republican at heart I fully believe in a smaller government however, I have come to understand that there are aspects that we need government for and I think that should not be ignored even with their being bloat at spots. In Trump's first term there were people in place around him in spots that understood that government can't be completely gutted and they worked to keep some of those things in place. A lot of the chatter now is about Trump putting in guys who have loyalty to Trump and less to the institutions that help make government function. I know people love what Elon is selling about gutting branches- but government isn't poorly run because of too many people, it's poorly run because there is too much left hand and right hand not working together. Organizational structure overhauls are needed but gutting people will just put more work on more people and that won't make it run smoother. I know people love what RFK Jr. is selling but the FDA and EPA and all that serve a purpose. Are there things we can ease on or take a look at? Absolutely- but again gutting those branches into oblivion won't make things better and would most likely make things worse. I would love to see these government organizations have a hard look taken at them. Streamline processes, figure out where things can be done differently and more effectively, and set paraments going forward in a quasi audit situation. What is being set up though feels like "Just gut it all and figure it out later."

Along with that I wonder who in the second term will be the one that has the courage to tell Trump "No" on ideas. Any leader needs someone to tell them "No" on some ideas. It feels like too much of this second term is already being built around "You get to do this, and you get to do that..." with people easily capitulating to it without any sense of pushing back. Basically "Don't tell me what to do and you can do whatever you want". Hell even over the weekend Trump made some comment about essentially pushing through cabinet appointments without discussion so he gets whatever he wants and sycophant Rick Scott (a leading candidate for senate majority leader) was like "Yes, I agree. I will do that, just give me the job everyone." That was within minutes he said that. 

Many do, but I would guess that far less people love what RFK is selling compared to what Elon is selling.   Elon is a great businessman, but RFK does not have any qualifications to run our health agencies.

[Engorgeous George 2,148]

Will we see an increase in the price of cocaine, a substdance which has not risen in price since the early '80's?  

[Sean Mooney 1,942]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Many do, but I would guess that far less people love what RFK is selling compared to what Elon is selling.   Elon is a great businessman, but RFK does not have any qualifications to run our health agencies.

In the grand scheme of things I think where RFK Jr wants to cut stuff is far more dangerous than where Elon wants to cut stuff

[TimHauck 2,625]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

In the grand scheme of things I think where RFK Jr wants to cut stuff is far more dangerous than where Elon wants to cut stuff

Agree