LA Wildfires, 100K people evacuated and counting

[Fnord 2,266]

14 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Thanks for the kind words? 

Anyways, I guess what I'm getting at is that the cities have completely overwhelmed the rest of the state to the point it's damn near been solid blue for 60 years or more with Democrats running the entire state almost that entire time as well.  CA is a state where state and local polices are almost all democrat policies so there can't be any excuses that it's someone else's fault like Tim is trying to do.

Understood. Although Reagan and Schwarzenegger both served 2 terms in that time, it is dominated by liberal policies. Zero issues with holding people accountable, no matter their political stripes.

I'm not in the business of defending Tim (nobody has the time for that) but it seems to me as if he is just trying to clear up some of the many misconceptions and lies that have been thrown around. Specifically, there is a ton of blame for a seemingly systemic failure, many people and organizations are responsible and need to be held responsible, and it is not just a couple of "DEI" types that MAGA feels the need to target incessantly at fault. And of course the inference that it would never have happened if straight white Republican dudes were running everything.

[Fnord 2,266]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

@Fnord thinks it's a Mexican with a rake and trash bag. 

He sounds absolutely foolish. He won't admit that they cut the budget in favor of DEI and Tranny programs. Had they not, then they would of had much more resources to control this fire early on. Water at the hydrants would of been a nice start. 

I'll admit it when I'm shown to be wrong, which is more than can be said for the vast majority of MAGAs here. For example, you refuse to admit that the OMG $5.5 MILLION!!!! spent on DEI wouldn't have meant jack shlt to fighting or preventing these fires. Or that suggestions to dig ditches and mow isn't exactly genius-level problem solving when we're talking about several millions of acres of remote mountainous area and no people, money, or equipment to do it.

[Fnord 2,266]

12 hours ago, BirdGang said:

Trying to make CA sound line a red state…..I’ve heard some Libtard gymnastics to avoid accountability but this is next level stupidity. Congrats?

I did no such thing, only pointed out that despite the nonsense you ninnies keep spouting, there are a helluva lot of conservatives there. Fockin A you're dumb.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

LA- Libs

La County- Libs

California- Libs. 

 

 

 

[BirdGang 385]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

I did no such thing, only pointed out that despite the nonsense you ninnies keep spouting, there are a helluva lot of conservatives there. Fockin A you're dumb.

You and the rest of the resident libtards =

[Fnord 2,266]

1 hour ago, BirdGang said:

You and the rest of the resident libtards =

Uh huh. Good one. I call you out for being stupid, and instead of refute it, or even (gasp) agree that perhaps you were incorrect, you just take a lame, overdone, unfunny shot at all of the liberals here.

Whatabouts are yesterday's news, foktard. You wanted Trump and everything that came with it, you got it. Your folks will control all of it in a few short days. Us libtards have little say. No whatabouts or excuses are left, it's all on your preferred leaders to fix. Take some ownership.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Uh huh. Good one. I call you out for being stupid, and instead of refute it, or even (gasp) agree that perhaps you were incorrect, you just take a lame, overdone, unfunny shot at all of the liberals here.

Whatabouts are yesterday's news, foktard. You wanted Trump and everything that came with it, you got it. Your folks will control all of it in a few short days. Us libtards have little say. No whatabouts or excuses are left, it's all on your preferred leaders to fix. Take some ownership.

Seems like an admission that things need fixing.  You might have wanted to phrase this as "to run".

[Fnord 2,266]

13 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Seems like an admission that things need fixing.  You might have wanted to phrase this as "to run".

Many things absolutely need a good unfucking. Sadly, I expect little leadership to be demonstrated by the incoming regime and it's acolytes, sycophants, yes-men, appointees, and criminals. In a few years there will be even more that needs unfucking, and we'll hand it over to Dems, who may unfuck some of it, but will righteously refuck some stuff that Republicans happened to unfuck. Rinse, repeat.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Just now, Fnord said:

Many things absolutely need a good unfucking. Sadly, I expect little leadership to be demonstrated by the incoming regime and it's acolytes, sycophants, yes-men, appointees, and criminals. In a few years there will be even more that needs unfuking, and we'll hand it over to Dems, who may unfuk some of it, but will righteously refuk some stuff that Republicans happened to unfuk. Rinse, repeat.

Pretty much how I see it as well.  

 

The partisans will continue to argue on the deck of a burning ship all the while not noticing that a few elites are laughing as they fling monkey scat down upon our heads.  Me, I got tired of having to shampoo that monkey mud out of my hair so I jumped ship.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1. Should we rebuild in the same places? 
2. How should we rebuild? 
3. what changes should be made? 
 

These to me are the pressing questions. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Should we rebuild in the same places? 

If so, at far lower density
2. How should we rebuild? 

Sustainably, with fire proof, not just fire retardant, materials both in the structure and its attendant landscaping.  Landscaping should be climate appropriate and designed to hold the hills when the rains come, which the always do. Homes should have external, as well as internal, fire suspression systems built in.
3. what changes should be made? 

Policies should not be set by woke, politically correct politicians who have never built anything and whose educational training is an associates degree in womens studies.  The Planning and Building codes should be designed by engineers and architects and should not be subject to any changes or variances for developers who happen to make campaign donations to the politicians then temporarily in control.  Building policies should be reviewed by insurers to see whether they will insure those domiciles and businesses,and if not there should be assessments made on each property prior to sale, and yearly thereafter, to self-insure the properties.
 

These to me are the pressing questions. 

 

[Fnord 2,266]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Should we rebuild in the same places? 
2. How should we rebuild? 
3. what changes should be made? 
 

These to me are the pressing questions. 

1. In many places, no

2. N/A see #1.

3. Where would one begin? Many, many changes. Start with not suspending regulations that prevent incredibly valuable homes to be built in places that cannot support them indefinitely. Those areas simply should not be rebuilt. 

But, easy for me to say. I have lost no property during these fires.

[Fnord 2,266]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

1. Should we rebuild in the same places? 

If so, at far lower density
2. How should we rebuild? 

Sustainably, with fire proof, not just fire retardant, materials both in the structure and its attendant landscaping.  Landscaping should be climate appropriate and designed to hold the hills when the rains come, which the always do. Homes should have external,as well as internal,fire suspression systems built in.
3. what changes should be made? 

Policies should not be set by woke, politically correct politicians who have never built anything and whose educational training isan associates degree in womens studies.  the Planning and building codes should be designed by engineers and architects and should not be subject to any cahnges or vairances for developers who hapen to make campaign donations.
 

These to me are the pressing questions. 

Excellent post.

Unfortunately, the points you make in your last paragraph have probably already been suffocated in the crib. We are in post-qualification times. Witness appointees in the incoming administration and SCOTUS ruling that lawmakers should serve as their own "experts." Seems like the public at large now believes that because they watched a meme on tiktok they are better informed than subject matter experts.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Excellent post.

Unfortunately, the points you make in your last paragraph have probably already been suffocated in the crib. We are in post-qualification times. Witness appointees in the incoming administration and SCOTUS ruling that lawmakers should serve as their own "experts." Seems like the public at large now believes that because they watched a meme on tiktok they are better informed than subject matter experts.

Well some of those memes can be quite informative, particularly if presented by a chick with inflated teats and lips and really big hair who is making a duck face.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

@Engorgeous George regarding your response to my first question: “if so at far lower density” I’m curious as to how this would be regulated. Newsom has already stated that he wants to remove what he calls “burdensome restrictions” on rebuilding efforts- he sounded a lot like Trump or a conservative when he said that- but that would put him at odds with what you’re suggesting. Do you believe the state should severely restrict the amount of rebuilding that can be done? And how would that impact property values? 
 

The other question regarding this point: many experts seem to believe these latest fires are a real anomaly, highly unusual and very unlikely to be repeated. I have no idea if this is true or not but if it is then why would we need lower density? 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

@Engorgeous George regarding your response to my first question: “if so at far lower density” I’m curious as to how this would be regulated. Newsom has already stated that he wants to remove what he calls “burdensome restrictions” on rebuilding efforts- he sounded a lot like Trump or a conservative when he said that- but that would put him at odds with what you’re suggesting. Do you believe the state should severely restrict the amount of rebuilding that can be done? And how would that impact property values? 
 

The other question regarding this point: many experts seem to believe these latest fires are a real anomaly, highly unusual and very unlikely to be repeated. I have no idea if this is true or not but if it is then why would we need lower density? 

Building is ususally regulated at the county or municipal level.  Zoning maps have density levels.  Changing zoning is a legislative matter for the county or the municipality and is generally then enfoced by a Building Department with appeals to a Planning Commission. Matters are complicated in California as there are overlay Commissions with concurrent or dual jurisdiction who also need to approve building permits and plans, as I understand it, (Caveat- I am not a California attorney nor is land use my specialty or concentration, though I have advised a Planning Commission for a few years as a side responsibility.) (In California the concurent jurisdiction overlay districts tend to be conservation districts whose mission is to keep the land from becomingmmore developed or to return the land, as much as possible, to its original nature.  Obviously, then, approval from 1/2 of whjere you need approval from will be looking for lower density.) In an instance such as this many folks would lose the beneficial use of their property.  This would be a governmental taking subject to compensation.  Essentially it is an eminent doamin matter.  Now is the time to undertake this as the propreties are worth much less in their present condition and so fair compensation would be less.

 

The reason for lower density is to reduce risks.  More people, more activity, more risk of sparking something off.  Essentially insurance companies will have to be comfortable with the risk.  Actuarily I don't see them getting there without reduced density.  As a collateral matter reduced density will also make it possible to have needed fire breaks and access roads for emergency evacuations.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Can’t wait for the protests. Blah blah stolen lands. lol. 

[Mike Honcho 5,275]

Bill Burrr responds to this thread.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Bill Burrr responds to this thread.

 

Idiot thinks 100 fire engines being out of service is no big deal. 

[Fnord 2,266]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Building is ususally regulated at the county or municipal level.  Zoning maps have density levels.  Changing zoning is a legislative matter for the county or the municipality and is generally then enfoced by a Building Department with appeals to a Planning Commission. Matters are complicated in California as there are overlay Commissions with concurrent or dual jurisdiction who also need to approve building peermits and plans, as I understand it, (Caveat- I am not a California attorney nor is land use my specialty or concentration, though i have advised a Planning Commission for a few years as a side responsibility.) In an instance such as this many folks would lose the beneficial use of their property.  This would be a governmental taking subject to compensation.  Essentially it is an eminent doamin matter.  Now is the time to undertake this as the propreties are worth much less in their present condition and so fair compensation would be less.

 

The reason for lower density is to reduce risks.  More people, more activity, more risk of sparking something off.  Essentially insurance companies will have to be comfortable with the risk.  Actuarily I don't see them getting there without reduced density.  As a collateral matter reduced density will also make it possible to have needed fire breaks and access roads for emergency evacuations.

This fockin guy knows stuff! Thanks for that explanation. 

[Horseman 2,458]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

@Engorgeous George The other question regarding this point: many experts seem to believe these latest fires are a real anomaly, highly unusual and very unlikely to be repeated.

 Couldn't possibly be climate change if that's the case then.  You're welcome.  

[BirdGang 385]

33 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 Couldn't possibly be climate change if that's the case then.  You're welcome.  

…libs mini brains melting, tuning into MSNBC for a new excuse. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Can’t wait for the protests. Blah blah stolen lands. lol. 

I am waiting for suits by indigenous poeples claiming the land was sacred ,has been stolen, and that theft is now routinely acknowledged by the local governments who start their meetings with land acknowledgments  ,and they, the indigenous people want it back and in the state it was when it was stolen, i.e., undeveloped.  Such a suit would gain no traction in any other State, but in California, I could easily get such a suit past summary judgment and might even win it.  Such a suit would really gum up the works.  Know this, too, if I have thjought of this so too have multiple California attorneys.

[Cdub100 3,908]

It's a focking clown show.

My house just burnt down WTF happened?

I'm a white female wearing a black shirt and my pronouns are she her.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1879331479299510764

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

It's a focking clown show.

My house just burnt down WTF happened?

I'm a white female wearing a black shirt and my pronouns are she her.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1879331479299510764

Her name is Wilcox, but her prediliction is won'tcocks.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

It's a focking clown show.

My house just burnt down WTF happened?

I'm a white female wearing a black shirt and my pronouns are she her.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1879331479299510764

Fockin retards. Libtards around here nod along.  

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

 Couldn't possibly be climate change if that's the case then.  You're welcome.  

You’re lacking in logic. 

[seafoam1 3,024]

11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re lacking in logic. 

Timmy is losing it. On the verge of a breakdown. 

[HellToupee 1,776]

On 1/15/2025 at 7:56 PM, Cdub100 said:

It's a focking clown show.

My house just burnt down WTF happened?

I'm a white female wearing a black shirt and my pronouns are she her.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1879331479299510764

wtf was that

[Mike Honcho 5,275]

 

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Truth Social

Donald J. Trump

Photo of beautiful water flow that I just opened in California. Today, 1.6 billion gallons and, in 3 days, it will be 5.2 billion gallons. Everybody should be happy about this long fought Victory! I only wish they listened to me six years ago – There would have been no fire!

 

 

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Actual Truth

The US Army Corps of Engineers opened two dams on Friday in Central California and let roughly 2.2 billion gallons of water flow out of reservoirs, after President Donald Trump ordered the release with the misguided intent to send water to fire-ravaged Southern California.

Trump celebrated the move in posts to Truth Social post on Friday and Sunday, declaring, “the water is flowing in California,” and adding the water was “heading to farmers throughout the State, and to Los Angeles.”

There are two major problems, water experts said: The newly released water will not flow to Los Angeles, and it is being wasted by being released during the wet winter season.

“They were holding extra water in those reservoirs because of the risk that it would be a dry summer,” said Heather Cooley, director of research for California water policy organization the Pacific Institute. “This puts agriculture at risk of insufficient water during the summer months.”

“Downstream entities used these releases for limited irrigation demand and groundwater recharge,” the statement said.

But Los Angeles’ water sources are completely separated from the water system that Lake Kaweah and Lake Success supply. That water system flows into the agriculture-heavy Central Valley — where large farms grow nuts, citrus and grasses for animal feed, among other crops. The water-stressed region is heavily reliant on groundwater and winter precipitation stored in state reservoirs to irrigate crops.

 

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

 

 

Wait, you mean you cant just drain Lake Tahoe and have the water just drift to the Palisades 500 miles away? Many people are saying it can be done. North to South, it's gravity.

[Mike Honcho 5,275]

8 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Wait, you mean you cant just drain Lake Tahoe and have the water just drift to the Palisades 500 miles away? Many people are saying it can be done. North to South, it's gravity.

In addition, if there is a dry summer, it's going to hurt Califorinia farmers.

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NYT

Experts expressed dismay on Friday that releasing so much water now served little use for farmers, who typically have higher irrigation needs in the spring and summer months when agricultural fields are abundant.

Nor, she added, will the releases be of much use now to farmers because their fields are currently dormant. Rather, the water — which was being held for use during the region’s notoriously hot and dry summers — is likely to run through canals and come to rest in low-lying basins. Among the local concerns, she added, was the possibility of flooding and the re-emergence of Tulare Lake, a vast prehistoric lake that was resurrected in 2023 after a series of intense storms.

“That water should’ve been kept behind the reservoirs for reserves,” she said. “Right now there isn’t anywhere they need to put it.”

 

 

It's like missing one bird with two stones.  

[lod001 1,344]

On 1/11/2025 at 7:07 AM, TrailGuy said:

 

 

She wasn't fired.  This is another maga lie trying to disparage the people in charge and taking joy in the misfortune of others.

oops. Fired. Yeah they got so much heat when they planned on firing her back then that they had to back off. Well, they deemed enough time had passed to fire her without the same backlash that they got when she started going against Bass.  MAGA is always right. You are ALWAYS wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/us/los-angeles-mayor-karen-bass-fires-los-angeles-fire-department-chief-kristin-crowley-and-appoints-interim-fire-chief/index.html

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,103]

21 minutes ago, lod001 said:

oops. Fired. Yeah they got so much heat when they planned on firing her back then that they had to back off. Well, they deemed enough time had passed to fire her without the same backlash that they got when she started going against Bass.  MAGA is always right. You are ALWAYS wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/us/los-angeles-mayor-karen-bass-fires-los-angeles-fire-department-chief-kristin-crowley-and-appoints-interim-fire-chief/index.html

TrailGhey: the liar that keeps on lying. 

Proving that piece of s*** wrong is so easy, even a caveman.

[HB Localboy 122]

Once again...not going to read 27 pages of 

 

Probably half of the fires were ARSON!

 

Climate change terrorists, crazy people released from insane asylums, homeless drugged out freaks and pyromaniacs were setting fires on purpose.

 

ARSON NOT CLIMATE CHANGE! 

[RLLD 4,230]

Aren't we expecting these people to remain in that hell hole?  I mean, that is what we expect for the Palestinians....so why arent we making those people go back in there and live?

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

22 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

TrailGhey: the liar that keeps on lying. 

Proving that piece of s*** wrong is so easy, even a caveman.

He wasn't lying, he was just naïve to think she was going to keep her job.  Don't worry though, the libs will find another way to keep her on the payroll.

[supermike80 1,911]

47 minutes ago, lod001 said:

oops. Fired. Yeah they got so much heat when they planned on firing her back then that they had to back off. Well, they deemed enough time had passed to fire her without the same backlash that they got when she started going against Bass.  MAGA is always right. You are ALWAYS wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/us/los-angeles-mayor-karen-bass-fires-los-angeles-fire-department-chief-kristin-crowley-and-appoints-interim-fire-chief/index.html

This was as predictable as the sunrise.  

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

18 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Aren't we expecting these people to remain in that hell hole?  I mean, that is what we expect for the Palestinians....so why arent we making those people go back in there and live?

You think the Pacific Palisades is a hellhole? Or Alta Dena? Ever been there? 

[RLLD 4,230]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You think the Pacific Palisades is a hellhole? Or Alta Dena? Ever been there? 

I think those areas that were burned down are not habitable in their current context, so it makes alot of sense to relocate those folks until they can rebuild it to support habitation, if they choose to return....not unlike what is proposed for Gaza/