Trump administration drafting executive order to initiate Department of Education’s elimination

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Story - The Trump administration has begun drafting an executive order that would kick off the process of eliminating the Department of Education, the latest move by President Donald Trump to swiftly carry out his campaign promises, two sources familiar with the plans told CNN.

The move would come in two parts, the sources said. The order would direct the secretary of Education to create a plan to diminish the department through executive action.

Trump would also push for Congress to pass legislation to end the department, as those working on the order acknowledge that shuttering the department would require Congress’ involvement.

While calls to abolish the department or merge it with another federal agency are not new, the move has historically failed to get support from Congress.

 

Did I miss the thread where it was announced he lowered the prices of groceries---you know, few people knew of that word before he ran.

 

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The winning doesn’t stop

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No one knew of the word groceries before Trump?  Wat?

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3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The winning doesn’t stop

Winning = creating EO's that have 0.0% chance of accomplishing their stated objective.  You must be a Browns fan if you think that's winning. 

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promises made promises kept

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2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

promises made promises kept

I promise to draft a meaningless executive order to end a department I have no power to end! 

You’re right; he’s keeping his promise. Damn impressive. 
 

My only question from the story is, what do you mean “begun drafting”? How much time does this take? “I, President Trump, hereby order the Department of Education ended as of today!” What’s wrong with that? 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I promise to draft a meaningless executive order to end a department I have no power to end! 

You’re right; he’s keeping his promise. Damn impressive. 
 

My only question from the story is, what do you mean “begun drafting”? How much time does this take? “I, President Trump, hereby order the Department of Education ended as of today!” What’s wrong with that? 

Means logging into ChatGPT, entering in the prompts than using AI Lawyer to find out if the proposed EO passes constitutional muster. 

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2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Means logging into ChatGPT, entering in the prompts than using AI Lawyer to find out if the proposed EO passes constitutional muster. 

And then promptly ignoring the answer.

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1 minute ago, Fnord said:

And then promptly ignoring the answer.

Lol. Of course it doesn’t

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About time. One of the many failures of Jimmy Carter. 

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This winning is awesome. Trump kicks ass. 

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Republicans trying to keep their voters uneducated and ill informed. 

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38 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Winning = creating EO's that have 0.0% chance of accomplishing their stated objective.  You must be a Browns fan if you think that's winning. 

Perhaps you fail to take into account the UNstated, super secret, still evolving, barely formulated objectives yet to be announced at some indeterminate future date.  Didja ever think about that!

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NYC now spends 36k per pupil.  The results are terrible. 

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15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

NYC now spends 36k per pupil.  The results are terrible. 

We are made painfully aware of that fact every day. 

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Good

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29 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Republicans trying to keep their voters uneducated and ill informed. 

Like everything else he proposes, it lacks any details or forethought to final outcomes. On its face I don't have a huge problem with this, but what takes the DOE's place? How will eliminating it help educational outcomes? What is the plan?

Anyone? 

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Just now, Fnord said:

Like everything else he proposes, it lacks any details or forethought to final outcomes. On its face I don't have a huge problem with this, but what takes the DOE's place? How will eliminating it help educational outcomes? What is the plan?

Anyone? 

What was in place prior to the DOE?

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2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What was in place prior to the DOE?

 I'd have to research that, and I'm not going to. At least not right now.

What are your thoughts? Just let the states muddle through it?

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I imagine there’s a lot of buyers remorse going on right now. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I promise to draft a meaningless executive order to end a department I have no power to end! 

You’re right; he’s keeping his promise. Damn impressive. 
 

My only question from the story is, what do you mean “begun drafting”? How much time does this take? “I, President Trump, hereby order the Department of Education ended as of today!” What’s wrong with that? 

I'm in a writer's circle; in fact we are meeting in 90 minutes.  We are currently working on communicating the senses; this is best done by showing vs. telling.  Also, it is best to avoid adjectives and adverbs.

So instead of "my pen moves quickly to sign this EO," Trump might say, "my pen glides over the parchment, the spring absorbing the harsh terrain as it paints the azure peaks and valleys that have become my signature." 

It's harder than it looks.   

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm in a writer's circle; in fact we are meeting in 90 minutes.  We are currently working on communicating the senses; this is best done by showing vs. telling.  Also, it is best to avoid adjectives and adverbs.

So instead of "my pen moves quickly to sign this EO," Trump might say, "my pen glides over the parchment, the spring absorbing the harsh terrain as it paints the azure peaks and valleys that have become my signature." 

It's harder than it looks.   

 Ol' Donny wouldn't be able to comprehend that quote. But that was a beautifully written sentence.

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm in a writer's circle; in fact we are meeting in 90 minutes.  We are currently working on communicating the senses; this is best done by showing vs. telling.  Also, it is best to avoid adjectives and adverbs.

So instead of "my pen moves quickly to sign this EO," Trump might say, "my pen glides over the parchment, the spring absorbing the harsh terrain as it paints the azure peaks and valleys that have become my signature." 

It's harder than it looks.   

You may contemplate writing that, but I guarantee you Trump won’t. 
 

To steal an old Yogi Berra joke about Mickey Mantle, Donald Trump is one of those very few people who has written more books than he’s read. 

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20 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What was in place prior to the DOE?

The Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.  Carter split Education off to its own thing with the help of Congress and the Republicans have had a difficult time with it ever since, believing education to be a purely local concern.  Many times the Republicans have tried to kill it, but it will not die, its like Mick Jagger in that attribute.

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I’ve taken some of those writing classes too and I’ve always heard that show vs tell thing. But it’s not always true. I’m currently reading The Boys from Bixoli by John Grisham and he’s a big “tell” guy. And for him it works. 

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12 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 I'd have to research that, and I'm not going to. At least not right now.

What are your thoughts? Just let the states muddle through it?

I'm not sure, TBH.  One part of me says that we should have some centralized framework all states use with some custom modifications that states can add to if necessary.  The other part of me says go ahead and send it back to the States because the DOE has gotten too politicized and we've moved so far away from the topics students need: STEM, finance and other basic life skills kids ACTUALLY need (i.e. NOT interpretive dance).  I'd like to see more technical programs implemented too (welding, plumbing, etc..) - all sh#t that i had growing up in middle school.  All the DOE seems to do now is forcing schools to churn out whiney activists that want big gubment to take care of them.

I'd also support forcing colleges down this same path, too.  They've become breeding grounds for activists, not preparing kids for the adult workforce as it was intended.

I don't know. Tough call.

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve taken some of those writing classes too and I’ve always heard that show vs tell thing. But it’s not always true. I’m currently reading The Boys from Bixoli by John Grisham and he’s a big “tell” guy. And for him it works. 

I struggle with it, so I guess it is a good exercise for me.  I fancy myself more of a teller, and also pretty good at dialog.  But someone like Anne Rice, who can spend 4 pages showing the beauty of a flower... yeah, I got too much engineer in me for that.   

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I struggle with it, so I guess it is a good exercise for me.  I fancy myself more of a teller, and also pretty good at dialog.  But someone like Anne Rice, who can spend 4 pages showing the beauty of a flower... yeah, I got too much engineer in me for that.   

George RR Martin is horrible for this. The Song of Ice and Fire series are some of the best books I've ever read (back when I had time to read novels- HA!) but that fukker would spend a full page describing every dish on the table at a feast, including the seasonings. Tell me more about what's happening with Tyrion and Jon Snow, dammit!

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1 minute ago, Fnord said:

George RR Martin is horrible for this. The Song of Ice and Fire series are some of the best books I've ever read (back when I had time to read novels- HA!) but that fukker would spend a full page describing every dish on the table at a feast, including the seasonings. Tell me more about what's happening with Tyrion and Jon Snow, dammit!

One of the very few instances in my life where I saw the TV show or movie first, then read the books, and the books didn’t live up to the show. DNF 

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18 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm not sure, TBH.  One part of me says that we should have some centralized framework all states use with some custom modifications that states can add to if necessary.  The other part of me says go ahead and send it back to the States because the DOE has gotten too politicized and we've moved so far away from the topics students need: STEM, finance and other basic life skills kids ACTUALLY need (i.e. NOT interpretive dance).  I'd like to see more technical programs implemented too (welding, plumbing, etc..) - all sh#t that i had growing up in middle school.  All the DOE seems to do now is forcing schools to churn out whiney activists that want big gubment to take care of them.

I'd also support forcing colleges down this same path, too.  They've become breeding grounds for activists, not preparing kids for the adult workforce as it was intended.

I don't know. Tough call.

I wonder if some of the things you mention are being blown out of proportion by those with an agenda, but we can argue about that some other time.

Personally, I see the drag on our education system being more a result of parents and the teacher's unions than anything else. Parents that are inclined to sue over every little thing, lack of involvement in their children's educations, taking the side of their degenerate little kids over that of the teachers, generally not reinforcing discipline or behavioral issues with their kids. The unions and the issues they present are common knowledge and something we probably agree on. My experiences with unions has been overwhelmingly negative, and I do not believe that the union has the best interests of the students at heart, even if the teachers themselves do. In my experience the unions do more to protect crappy employees than they do to improve the lives of the membership at large. 

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6 minutes ago, Fnord said:

George RR Martin is horrible for this. The Song of Ice and Fire series are some of the best books I've ever read (back when I had time to read novels- HA!) but that fukker would spend a full page describing every dish on the table at a feast, including the seasonings. Tell me more about what's happening with Tyrion and Jon Snow, dammit!

 

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

One of the very few instances in my life where I saw the TV show or movie first, then read the books, and the books didn’t live up to the show. DNF 

Interesting.  I had this problem with The Shining, but in that case I felt like the movie drifted significantly from the book.  I thought the GOT series kept to the story fairly accurately, then crashed and burned with the ending.  

My wife and I were fortunate to discover the books early, so we read them before the series started (well, he hasn't finished them  ) but they were probably my favorite book series ever.

I've heard that writing a book is like sailing across the ocean.  The beginning is exciting as you watch your homeland slowly disappear into the horizon.  Likewise, the ending is exciting as you approach the end of your journey.  But most of it is just... open seas in every direction, with no sense of how far you need to go.  I think Martin is stuck in the middle of that ocean.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I promise to draft a meaningless executive order to end a department I have no power to end! 

You’re right; he’s keeping his promise. Damn impressive. 
 

My only question from the story is, what do you mean “begun drafting”? How much time does this take? “I, President Trump, hereby order the Department of Education ended as of today!” What’s wrong with that? 

In 1979, then-President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat from Georgia, signed legislation making the Department of Education a Cabinet-level agency – fulfilling a campaign pledge he made to one of the country’s largest teachers’ unions, the National Education Association.

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Interesting.  I had this problem with The Shining, but in that case I felt like the movie drifted significantly from the book.  I thought the GOT series kept to the story fairly accurately, then crashed and burned with the ending.  

My wife and I were fortunate to discover the books early, so we read them before the series started (well, he hasn't finished them  ) but they were probably my favorite book series ever.

I've heard that writing a book is like sailing across the ocean.  The beginning is exciting as you watch your homeland slowly disappear into the horizon.  Likewise, the ending is exciting as you approach the end of your journey.  But most of it is just... open seas in every direction, with no sense of how far you need to go.  I think Martin is stuck in the middle of that ocean.

And that ocean has schools of penises swimming on past his ship and he can't take his mind off of them.

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Interesting.  I had this problem with The Shining, but in that case I felt like the movie drifted significantly from the book.  I thought the GOT series kept to the story fairly accurately, then crashed and burned with the ending.  

My wife and I were fortunate to discover the books early, so we read them before the series started (well, he hasn't finished them  ) but they were probably my favorite book series ever.

I've heard that writing a book is like sailing across the ocean.  The beginning is exciting as you watch your homeland slowly disappear into the horizon.  Likewise, the ending is exciting as you approach the end of your journey.  But most of it is just... open seas in every direction, with no sense of how far you need to go.  I think Martin is stuck in the middle of that ocean.

Stuck? He's anchored in the Bermuda triangle. I have given up hope of ever reading another SOIAF book. IMO the books took a downturn after the third volume, which roughly correlates with when the series started to lose quality.

I read the Shining in junior high and saw the movie a couple years later. Both are brilliant, despite divergence.

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1 hour ago, Red White and Blue said:

I imagine there’s a lot of buyers remorse going on right now. 

For what?  Everything he's done so far is what voters wanted him to do.

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mo gubment mo problems 

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8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

For what?  Everything he's done so far is what voters wanted him to do.

I doubt a lot of his voters thought he’d blame a helicopter crash on DEI, give Elon access to the Treasury, and try to abolish tie Department of Education. Also, eggs are still overpriced.

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1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

I doubt a lot of his voters thought he’d blame a helicopter crash on DEI, give Elon access to the Treasury, and try to abolish tie Department of Education. Also, eggs are still overpriced.

I know a few dyed-in-the-wool Trump voters that were VERY turned off by those comments.

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3 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

I doubt a lot of his voters thought he’d blame a helicopter crash on DEI, give Elon access to the Treasury, and try to abolish tie Department of Education. Also, eggs are still overpriced.

No one cares about who he blamed the helicopter crash.  I'm not sure how I feel about the treasury yet.  We all knew about getting rid of the DOE.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No one cares about who he blamed the helicopter crash.  I'm not sure how I feel about the treasury yet.  We all knew about getting rid of the DOE.

Speak for yourself. You might not care who he blamed it on. I’m sure many voters found that unbelievably trashy. I also suspect a lot of his supporters signed up for lower inflation and are surprised to see Elon in the Treasury and executive orders to end the DOE. 

And eggs still haven’t gone down.