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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

 

If Islamic countries put down there weapons, Israel would give them peace.  If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no Israel. This is 100% true, and anyone who doesn't see it is inflicted with the Leftist incorrect belief that other cultures behave like we would.

This is correct and I don’t think any reasonable person disagrees with you. But while it’s true it’s not the only truth. There is more to the story. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is correct and I don’t think any reasonable person disagrees with you. But while it’s true it’s not the only truth. There is more to the story. 

Israel controls Iran's airspace and continues to focus on military and nuclear targets. What would Iran do if they controlled Israel's airspace?

What other "truth" is relevant here?

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6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Israel controls Iran's airspace and continues to focus on military and nuclear targets. What would Iran do if they controlled Israel's airspace?

What other "truth" is relevant here?

That whatever actions Israel takes from this point forward will have long range implications for the security of Israel. That not all Islamic countries feel the same towards Israel, with the same attitude. That there are deep nuances, that this a complicated situation, and there is no simple solution. 

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30 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Trump is the world’s number one front runner. The moment this goes titts up (hopefully it doesn’t) he’s backing tracking away from this faster than Usain Bolt and it was Israel’s mistake.

That’s a trait I admire 

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

That whatever actions Israel takes from this point forward will have long range implications for the security of Israel. That not all Islamic countries feel the same towards Israel, with the same attitude. That there are deep nuances, that this a complicated situation, and there is no simple solution. 

I have no idea regarding the relevance of your first statement to this discussion, unless you are implying that Israel may choose to bomb population centers in the future, which I find highly unlikely.

I agree with your second sentence and couldn't come up with a good shorthand while typing on my phone.  Perhaps "Islamic countries which have stated a desire to eradicate Israel?"  

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If [Islamic countries which have stated a desire to eradicate Israel] put down there weapons, Israel would give them peace.  If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no Israel. This is 100% true, and anyone who doesn't see it is inflicted with the Leftist incorrect belief that other cultures behave like we would.

Otherwise, there isn't much nuance here, let alone deep nuance.  It isn't complicated.  The solution, for the current situation, is to destroy Iran's nuclear capability.

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8 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

That’s a trait I admire 

Front running on issues is pragmatic for the individual but not good in leadership and long term goals.

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Destroying Iran is a welcoming by product of destroying their nuclear capability. 2 for 1 

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If we get involved, it will be amusing to see the MAGA America First / POTUS of Peace crowd pivot hard to making neocon arguments for regime change in Iran. 

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

No, it's correct. It is idiocy to allow them the physical ability to enrich uranium, then think you can limit it to lower grade levels.

Also, there is a compilation video circulating with 16 minutes of Trump saying Iran can never have nuclear capabilities going back to 2011 I believe. This isn't a new position for him.

Well that is what happened.  I know you like to deny the truth but it's verifiable fact.

Also Trump never said we were canceling the deal because he didn't want Iran to have any nuclear program.

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

If Islamic countries put down there weapons, Israel would give them peace.  If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no Israel. This is 100% true, and anyone who doesn't see it is inflicted with the Leftist incorrect belief that other cultures behave like we would.

6 months ago, I'd have agreed with you and Tim about this statement. I am no longer convinced. Netanyahu, much like Trump, needs to stay in power to avoid a potential prison stint and also has anti-Muslim hard-liners within his government in his ear and on his right flank. I question whether he will act benevolently even if Iran surrenders. 

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6 months ago, FNord felt a certain way. Then Trump won and felt the same way so now FNord is against it.  

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8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

6 months ago, FNord felt a certain way. Then Trump won and felt the same way so now FNord is against it.  

I did not think you had the intelligence or skill to read between the lines.

Turns out I was right. I meant what I said, it had zero to do with Trump. You lose. I win. Fock off.

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Donald using the “two weeks” line for when a decision will be made as to if we will get personally involved with dropping some bombs.

This is the biggest sign pointing to date of us staying out of it beyond what we currently are doing. 

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27 minutes ago, Fnord said:

6 months ago, I'd have agreed with you and Tim about this statement. I am no longer convinced. Netanyahu, much like Trump, needs to stay in power to avoid a potential prison stint and also has anti-Muslim hard-liners within his government in his ear and on his right flank. I question whether he will act benevolently even if Iran surrenders. 

What is an example of something he might do if Iran surrenders?  You know he can destroy Tehran or any major population center today, if he wants.  :dunno: 

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7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Two weeks :lol:

That's actually good news, that means it's taco time.  Good news if you're anti-war

Taco from what?  His commitment to drop the bunker busters?

He gave Iran 60 days to negotiate.  What happened on day 61?  Now he's given them 2 weeks (allegedly, I'm going by the comment here).  What happens on day 15?  You may be a jeenius negotiator and foreign policy expert from your cubicle, so what do you think Khomeini thinks?

Your brain is so garbled by your TDS that you can't have a serious discussion on this.  

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5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What is an example of something he might do if Iran surrenders?  You know he can destroy Tehran or any major population center today, if he wants.  :dunno: 

I've not let my imagination go wild on this scenario, but one simple answer is to continue bombing them back into the stone age. His actions in Gaza confirm that he is unmoved by humanitarian concerns or the opinion of the UN. Netanyahu is a corrupt, war-mongering POS.

Disclaimer before my statements are turned into propaganda by MAGA: I fully support Israel's right to defend themselves within legal limits and their intention of destroying Hamas and Hezbollah and am not an anti-semite. 

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20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Taco from what?  His commitment to drop the bunker busters?

He gave Iran 60 days to negotiate.  What happened on day 61?  Now he's given them 2 weeks (allegedly, I'm going by the comment here).  What happens on day 15?  You may be a jeenius negotiator and foreign policy expert from your cubicle, so what do you think Khomeini thinks?

Your brain is so garbled by your TDS that you can't have a serious discussion on this.  

If you were at all knowledgeable you would know that when Trump says 2 weeks that means it won't happen.  Again that's good news for all of us.  Sorry you don't get your war.

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9 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I've not let my imagination go wild on this scenario, but one simple answer is to continue bombing them back into the stone age. His actions in Gaza confirm that he is unmoved by humanitarian concerns or the opinion of the UN. Netanyahu is a corrupt, war-mongering POS.

Disclaimer before my statements are turned into propaganda by MAGA: I fully support Israel's right to defend themselves within legal limits and their intention of destroying Hamas and Hezbollah and am not an anti-semite. 

Mmm hmm... and what pray tell should he be doing instead in Gaza, to eliminate Hamas?  I've asked the Left this before many times; at best I get some version of "I don't know but not this$#@!" :dunno: 

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you were at all knowledgeable you would know that when Trump says 2 weeks that means it won't happen.  Again that's good news for all of us.  Sorry you don't get your war.

Like I said, clearly you know better than Khomeini, so I'm sure he'll call Trump's bluff.  I mean, 60 days didn't mean anything, right?  :lol: 

I gotta hand it to you Lefties, this "Taco" thing has a certain brilliance, sorta like "Climate Change."  Whatever happens, you'll give Trump shiot.  :thumbsup: 

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Like I said, clearly you know better than Khomeini, so I'm sure he'll call Trump's bluff.  I mean, 60 days didn't mean anything, right?  :lol: 

I gotta hand it to you Lefties, this "Taco" thing has a certain brilliance, sorta like "Climate Change."  Whatever happens, you'll give Trump shiot.  :thumbsup: 

I think he’s making the right decision here by waiting. I have no complaints about his current actions with regard to this situation (at least based on what I know now.) 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think he’s making the right decision here by waiting. I have no complaints about his current actions with regard to this situation (at least based on what I know now.) 

Even as a Trump supporter, I chuckle at "2-weeks".  But as you say, it seems like the right answer.  There should be no need to rush on this, at least not now.  Hopefully momentum builds for the Iranians to overthrow their government in that time.

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41 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Mmm hmm... and what pray tell should he be doing instead in Gaza, to eliminate Hamas?  I've asked the Left this before many times; at best I get some version of "I don't know but not this$#@!" :dunno: 

For starters they could stop shooting people approaching aid trucks, and give the UN more assistance in distribution.

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20 minutes ago, Fnord said:

For starters they could stop shooting people approaching aid trucks, and give the UN more assistance in distribution.

First of all, that is non-responsive.  The question was what Israel should do to eliminate Hamas.  You basically gave me a derivative of what I said:  "... not this$#@!"

Also, you know UNRWA aids Hamas, right?  

https://www.google.com/search?q=unrwa+supporting+hamas&oq=unrwa+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggBECMYJzIHCAAQABiPAjIGCAEQIxgnMgcIAhAAGIAEMgcIAxAAGIAEMgcIBBAAGIAEMgcIBRAAGIAEMgcIBhAAGIAEMgcIBxAAGIAEMgcICBAAGIAEMgcICRAAGIAE0gEINTE1NWowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

That's why Israel went out of its way to bypass the UNRWA to provide aid... to the country whose leadership they are at war with.  It's also why Hamas went apoplectic -- they want the old model wherein UNRWA brings them the aid, they keep most for themselves, then they send out more pictures of starving Gazans for the Left to slurp up.

Israel cares more about the welfare of the Palestinian people than Hamas.  Fact.  

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

For Jerry this is from 2017...

https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/trumps-timeline-always-two-weeks-1513302785

He also just said that he would decide on sanctions for Russia in 2 weeks.  That was a month ago, no decision.

2 weeks is his crutch.

 

 

Screw this two weeks stuff.  I say give them a fortnight.

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4 hours ago, MDC said:

If we get involved, it will be amusing to see the MAGA America First / POTUS of Peace crowd pivot hard to making neocon arguments for regime change in Iran. 

If he stays out of it your pissed, if he joins the War your pissed. What the fuk do you want?? 

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11 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

If he stays out of it your pissed, if he joins the War your pissed. What the fuk do you want?? 

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26 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

If he stays out of it your pissed, if he joins the War your pissed. What the fuk do you want?? 

So true. It's all the liberals have left on seriously every single topic. 

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The US moved perishable blood supplies into some of their bases around the area.  So one is to assume they are readying to get involved.  

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29 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

If he stays out of it your pissed, if he joins the War your pissed. What the fuk do you want?? 

I want him to stay out of it. :dunno: 

By the way, Happy Juneteenth brotha! Red Lobster tonight? :ninja: 

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Its a flimsy post but Khamenei could have possibly just been killed I have heard.  At least that is how some read some of Russia's recent statements.   

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Think about how much of the money out of our pockets has gone to Israel. Nothing has changed my entire life. It's all about the forever wars and conflicts.

The people who claim self defense are milking everyone dry while they set up the next back room deal with some country to attack them.

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1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Think about how much of the money out of our pockets has gone to Israel. Nothing has changed my entire life. It's all about the forever wars and conflicts.

The people who claim self defense are milking everyone dry while they set up the next back room deal with some country to attack them.

Hell has frozen over, because you and I are in 100% agreement.

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15 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Think about how much of the money out of our pockets has gone to Israel. Nothing has changed my entire life. It's all about the forever wars and conflicts.

The people who claim self defense are milking everyone dry while they set up the next back room deal with some country to attack them.

As a person who fancies himself trying to improve the positive vibrations of the universe, have you introspectively asked yourself how you've come to become an antisemite?  Really, back room deal with some country to attack them?  Really?  Is that from 4chan, TikTok?

Here is an interesting read to what has happened to you, and @Cdub100, and several other posters here.  And a lot of other "conservatives." 

https://www.thefp.com/p/rod-dreher-the-woke-right-is-coming

I hope you read at least part of it and give it some thought.  :thumbsup: 

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8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

As a person who fancies himself trying to improve the positive vibrations of the universe, have you introspectively asked yourself how you've come to become an antisemite?  Really, back room deal with some country to attack them?  Really?  Is that from 4chan, TikTok?

Here is an interesting read to what has happened to you, and @Cdub100, and several other posters here.  And a lot of other "conservatives." 

https://www.thefp.com/p/rod-dreher-the-woke-right-is-coming

I hope you read at least part of it and give it some thought.  :thumbsup: 

We have sent BILLIONS of dollars to Israel out of our pockets. Fact.

My distrust is more with Israel than Jews in general because of course not everyone from any single demographic is a bad person. Jews are much more covert than Muslims so they seem more like an ally, but so many of them hate non Jews just as much. Have you read the Talmud?

I think almost every single government is like this. They don't like their citizens at all. The thing with Israel is that we have sent them far more money that anyone else. AIPAC makes sure Israel's influence never falters.

Their religion is wrong. They believe they can swing a chicken over their head and fool God into thinking it's the animal's sin. Part of why Jesus was killed was because he put a dent in the animal sacrifice business that was raking in cash.

The US governmemt was just as bad as any until Trump took office. I want to see the majority of our politicians along side Israel's, Iran's, Ukraine's etc. The entire system has been developed to bleed us dry of our energy and then convince most people they are hopelessly in debt to the system. Israel plays this game really well. Look at who owns the banks.

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