The ICE Raids are killing local economies; they need to stop

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

Just now, jonnyutah said:

Hon dipo. Say it right. 

In two posts you’ve shown yourself ugly and racist. But to paraphrase Dean Wormer you don’t need to go through life that way. 

[Strike 5,684]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

He was at Home Depot, he was working or looking for work. He probably does more hard work in a few hours than you do in a week. 

So he wasn't working.  But the ICE agents were.  You seem to have it backwards.  Don't be an illegal immigrant thug and run.  Let the hard working ICE agents do their job.

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

So he wasn't working.  But the ICE agents were.  You seem to have it backwards.  Don't be an illegal immigrant thug and run.  Let the hard working ICE agents do their job.

Jon_mx used to have a word for people like you. It rhymes with rootsicker. 

[jonnyutah 309]

30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In two posts you’ve shown yourself ugly and racist. But to paraphrase Dean Wormer you don’t need to go through life that way. 

Only two? Thats baloney. 

[weepaws 3,220]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://voiceofoc.org/2025/08/orange-county-feels-economic-fallout-of-ice-raids/
 

And this is only the beginning. They’re not stopping crime, they’re hurting the economy. Shut them down. Now. 

Bigger concern for California is the Governor, but wait, California wanted him.  Ugly.  

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

27 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Bigger concern for California is the Governor, but wait, California wanted him.  Ugly.  

Newsom is only a concern for conservatives who want authoritarian rule. They should be concerned by Newsom; he stands up to them. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,091]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Newsom is only a concern for conservatives who want authoritarian rule. They should be concerned by Newsom; he stands up to them. 

Newsome sides with violent criminals, illegal aliens and queers. What is he doing for normal people?? 

That's all. He doesn't care about anything but himself. 

[Voltaire 5,350]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you focking kidding me with this sh!t? 
 

Yeah the Dems were obsessed with race during the 50s and 60s because they were FIGHTING SEGREGATION and the Republicans couldn’t give a crap. GTFOH with your revisionist history. 

Then the 50s and 60s came along when both parties came to their senses on race relations and the policies of segreataton were dismantled. Notice it was  the Democrats who had to be reformed and dragged along kicking and screaming by the likes of JFK. The Democrats switched gears when LBJ convinced them that the Democrats would own the n*ggers (sic) vote for the next 200 years," and instead of ignoring them, started showering them with rave-based preferences instead, they continued their thinking of treating blacks as pets and retards, similar to how they'd viewed them all along with their affirmative action policies, only now as a vote farm. The tell into the hearts and minds of the Democratic Party candidates is their preferences to talking down to black people and audiences while when Republicans address black people and audiences, they are treated the same as any other.

Here are a couple of left wing sources on the matter for you:

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans

https://bigthink.com/the-present/white-liberals-language/

https://archive.ph/FLhnT This third one is WaPo, behind a paywall. I like how the author concludes that conservatives don't speak down to blacks because we don't care if we're understood, “reasoning that they are simply less motivated to affiliate with racial minorities.” In other words, the paper states, white conservatives “would not bother.”  Yeah, nice presumption there, leftoid idiot. Maybe its because we really, truly don't see color and we really do treat everyone the same as we've been telling you all along is the case. We don't presume blacks are idiots as liberals, and you specifically, do. 

Anyway, to repeat my point, while the Democrats have consistently been racist at every point in their party's history, only nowadays in the era of Robin DiAngelo and Ibrahim Kendi racist with a smile, the Republicans position consistently stayed the course of treating them the same: as equals and colorblind.

[Maximum Overkill 2,091]

25 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Then the 50s and 60s came along when both parties came to their senses on race relations and the policies of segreataton were dismantled. Notice it was  the Democrats who had to be reformed and dragged along kicking and screaming by the likes of JFK. The Democrats switched gears when LBJ convinced them that the Democrats would own the n*ggers (sic) vote for the next 200 years," and instead of ignoring them, started showering them with rave-based preferences instead, they continued their thinking of treating blacks as pets and retards, similar to how they'd viewed them all along with their affirmative action policies, only now as a vote farm. The tell into the hearts and minds of the Democratic Party candidates is their preferences to talking down to black people and audiences while when Republicans address black people and audiences, they are treated the same as any other.

Here are a couple of left wing sources on the matter for you:

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans

https://bigthink.com/the-present/white-liberals-language/

https://archive.ph/FLhnT This third one is WaPo, behind a paywall. I like how the author concludes that conservatives don't speak down to blacks because we don't care if we're understood, “reasoning that they are simply less motivated to affiliate with racial minorities.” In other words, the paper states, white conservatives “would not bother.”  Yeah, nice presumption there, leftoid idiot. Maybe its because we really, truly don't see color and we really do treat everyone the same as we've been telling you all along is the case. We don't presume blacks are idiots as liberals, and you specifically, do. 

Anyway, to repeat my point, while the Democrats have consistently been racist at every point in their party's history, only nowadays in the era of Robin DiAngelo and Ibrahim Kendi racist with a smile, the Republicans position consistently stayed the course of treating them the same: as equals and colorblind.

Democrats are scared of Trump deporting illegals because they're afraid of working class blacks. That's the Dems biggest fears. 

@Ron_Artest @squistion @The Real timschochet

[Meglamaniac 583]

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Another Home Depot?  But @Meglamaniac said they just happened to hit a Home Depot in the MacArthur Park area because that’s where MS-13 hangs out.

Also, does the admin know that Lowe’s exists?

Awwww, aren't you the cutest thing in here completely misrepresenting what I posted like a good little liberal hack

[Meglamaniac 583]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You asked for ANY examples. Shows you’re not serious. 

No Tim I didn't ask for ANY examples, sorry you can't comprehind what you read but I'll lay it out for you here

 

I quoted your response to a New Girl post

"All opposed? 

All of them? 

Every last one? "

To which you replied

"I haven’t encountered a chamber of commerce, anywhere, in favor of deportations. I HAVE  encountered many opposed. If you have contradictory evidence please present it."

Contradictory evidence to what Timmah???? To the subject at hand, ALL Chambers are against the current immagration policy, ALLLLLL

 

To which I posted

"Ummmm, you first, you've provided ZERO evidence chambers are against it.  For the last time, ypur opinion is not fact"

Nowhere, NOWHERE, did I say ANY, I said provide evidence that ALL chambers are against it as you so boldly stated in the post in question

 

You should just stop, you look more and more stupid with every keystroke

 

[Mike Hunt 285]

17 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://voiceofoc.org/2025/08/orange-county-feels-economic-fallout-of-ice-raids/
 

And this is only the beginning. They’re not stopping crime, they’re hurting the economy. Shut them down. Now. 

Are you doing anything in your community to help shut them down?  Or just posting on a random message board while drinking your latte at Starbucks?

 

[Strike 5,684]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Jon_mx used to have a word for people like you. It rhymes with rootsicker. 

You obviously never understood what he was getting at.  He certainly wouldn't have used that term to describe my posts about this.  But don't let my FACTS get in the way of your defending of illegals over U.S. citizens.

 

[RLLD 4,272]

15 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I see somebody else noticed that 160 years ago, Democrats were making the exact same arguments about cotton and tobacco workers.

In states other than California, Americans who do these jobs were getting squeezed by the underpaid illegal immigrants, so they voted the illegals out.  Meanwhile, in California, those Americans have long been put out of business already since they have to pay the minimum wage and contractors who hire illegals don't.

Correct, the economic argument was a key element of protecting their cheap labor back then

[jerryskids 6,895]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I have data that contradicts yours. I also question the source of your data. 

That report you had from the pro-illegal immigrant group from Texas?  We talked about that and I ripped it to shreds. Meanwhile, I've provided multiple sources for data from Cali, and used the more conservative numbers on my side.

I've seen reports that first generation illegal immigrants are a net negative, second generation (which are citizens, at least currently) are neutral, and third generation are a net positive.  That makes sense.  But there is no focking way that illegal immigrants (first generation) are a net positive in Cali with their impact on Medi-Cal, growing impact on CalFresh (food stamps), schools, language support, medical facilities, and all the general services (fire, police, roads, etc.)

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

That report you had from the pro-illegal immigrant group from Texas?  We talked about that and I ripped it to shreds. Meanwhile, I've provided multiple sources for data from Cali, and used the more conservative numbers on my side.

I've seen reports that first generation illegal immigrants are a net negative, second generation (which are citizens, at least currently) are neutral, and third generation are a net positive.  That makes sense.  But there is no focking way that illegal immigrants (first generation) are a net positive in Cali with their impact on Medi-Cal, growing impact on CalFresh (food stamps), schools, language support, medical facilities, and all the general services (fire, police, roads, etc.)

Again you have to factor in their effect on the overall economy, particularly on consumer pricing, in order to make a true evaluation. 

And no you did not rip the study I posted to shreds. I will however acknowledge that there are certainly competing opinions on this question. 
 

BUT - here is a new study about how much mass deportation is going to cost California: 

https://news.ucmerced.edu/news/2025/study-mass-deportations-would-cost-california-economy-275-billion-decimate-critical

As you can see, even if I were to agree with you that this is a problem (I don’t) the proposed “solution” is still far worse and leads to an even more negative outcome. A much better solution would be to give these folks a path to citizenship. 

[Meglamaniac 583]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

. A much better solution would be to give these folks a path to citizenship. 

They were already offered a path to citizenship, they choose to bypass it

[Strike 5,684]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Again you have to factor in their effect on the overall economy, particularly on consumer pricing, in order to make a true evaluation. 

And no you did not rip the study I posted to shreds. I will however acknowledge that there are certainly competing opinions on this question. 
 

BUT - here is a new study about how much mass deportation is going to cost California: 

https://news.ucmerced.edu/news/2025/study-mass-deportations-would-cost-california-economy-275-billion-decimate-critical

As you can see, even if I were to agree with you that this is a problem (I don’t) the proposed “solution” is still far worse and leads to an even more negative outcome. A much better solution would be to give these folks a path to citizenship. 

That report/study doesn't seem to address the COST of illegal immigration at all.

[Maximum Overkill 2,091]

 

A local Mexican restaurant chain in Pennsylvania is trying to forge ahead a week after a worksite immigration raid left property damage at two of its storefronts and a workforce afraid to show up to their jobs, according to two employees and a witness who spoke with NBC News.

It all started Aug. 7 when immigration authorities showed up at two Emiliano’s Mexican Restaurant & Bar locations in the Pittsburgh area. As many as 16 workers were detained — nine worked at a location in Gibsonia, a suburb north of Pittsburgh, and seven others worked at another location in the nearby township of Cranberry.

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

That report/study doesn't seem to address the COST of illegal immigration at all.

And why is that? Answer: because the benefits far outweigh the cost. 

[HellToupee 1,866]

Now this is a real feel good story. Going out to dinner tonight with the  Mrs and will raise a cocktail on this uplifting news. Either a Manhattan or Old Fashioned 

 

[5-Points 3,598]

I'll admit, the recent deportations of drunk drivers has taken a toll on my paycheck but its a sacrifice I'm willing to make for the better good of society. 

[MLCKAA 581]

“Gee wiz!  Now that I can’t break the law by hiring people with no legal work status— my business is failing.  Breaking the law sure was grand!”

[Maximum Overkill 2,091]

52 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Now this is a real feel good story. Going out to dinner tonight with the  Mrs and will raise a cocktail on this uplifting news. Either a Manhattan or Old Fashioned 

 

That is definitely a feel good story. Thank you for posting that. That makes me want to call ICE on the illegals working at my local garden center.

To report suspicious activity related to immigration or potential criminal activity, call the ICE tip line at 1-866-DHS-2-ICE. This hotline is available 24/7 and can be used to report various types of suspected violations, including those related to human trafficking, human smuggling, and other criminal activity. 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

All bad things come to an end. This too shall pass. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,091]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

All bad things 

What bad things? Arresting criminals? 

[Horseman 2,550]

46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

All bad things come to an end. This too shall pass. 

Your suffering is awesome. 

[jonnyutah 309]

On 8/15/2025 at 9:09 AM, Strike said:

That report/study doesn't seem to address the COST of illegal immigration at all.

It is based off of 40 hand picked interviews. Lol. Never change academia. Never change. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,091]

This is great for our economy. Now legal real tax paying Americans can get their jobs back. 

We are winning big 

[jerryskids 6,895]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

It is based off of 40 hand picked interviews. Lol. Never change academia. Never change. 

I'm personally shocked that the chamber of commerce, a bunch of Merced researchers with hispanic names, and the business that hire illegal aliens would generate a report exaggerating the revenue impact, and ignoring the costs.   

[Horseman 2,550]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I'm personally shocked that the chamber of commerce, a bunch of Merced researchers with hispanic names, and the business that hire illegal aliens would generate a report exaggerating the revenue impact, and ignoring the costs.   

I'm shocked Timblowhard thinks it's proof of anything. 

[The Real timschochet 6,943]

13 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I'm shocked Timblowhard thinks it's proof of anything. 

The proof is the effect on the economy. You’ve been an idiot on this subject going back to FBG. You know nothing about it, even less than you do about Russia and Ukraine. 

[jonnyutah 309]

Gdp! Gdp! 

 

Lol

[supermike80 1,965]

24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm personally shocked that the chamber of commerce, a bunch of Merced researchers with hispanic names, and the business that hire illegal aliens would generate a report exaggerating the revenue impact, and ignoring the costs.   

Theres always polls!!!

[Horseman 2,550]

25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The proof is the effect on the economy. You’ve been an idiot on this subject going back to FBG. You know nothing about it, even less than you do about Russia and Ukraine. 

Why the idiot link? Rhetorical

I know the Nasdaq is up 12% this year and I'm getting big tax breaks. 

ECONOMY 

[Cdub100 3,948]

"Freeing slaves will hurt the economy!!! This must stop now." - Democrats

[seafoam1 3,187]

12 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

"Freeing slaves will hurt the economy!!! This must stop now." - Democrats

Who's gonna pick the cotton!!? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,522]

Mow your own grass.