US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[SaintsInDome2006 641]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

There is no pending bill in the house.  It passed.  The senate is holding up the CR.  HTH.

Btw the House can still do business, they can pass other legislation & work with the Senate to pass a viable bill as well. I’d think they’d pass a bill thst would get through the Senate.

[Strike 6,005]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ok then craft a bill that will lift a filibuster, if that’s the problem.

Why not just pass the CR?  But I'm pretty sure that the Dems will cave in the next few days.  Once the election is over they won't need to hold this over our heads any more.  I mean, we all know this is just a political ploy.  A disgusting one but one nevertheless.

[SaintsInDome2006 641]

Just now, Strike said:

Why not just pass the CR?  But I'm pretty sure that the Dems will cave in the next few days.  Once the election is over they won't need to hold this over our heads any more.  I mean, we all know this is just a political ploy.  A disgusting one but one nevertheless.

Because it wasn’t negotiated… in a way that would gain enough votes in the Senate?

[nobody 2,878]

Cats want to cry about the end of democracy and then say why aren't you guys chipping away at democracy by ending the filibuster.  Dead giveaway they're regurgitating talking points with no critical thought.

[Ron_Artest 2,192]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

Cats want to cry about the end of democracy and then say why aren't you guys chipping away at democracy by ending the filibuster.  Dead giveaway they're regurgitating talking points with no critical thought.

You just saw this on facebook.

I can explain and use actual critical thought, since I've been saying this.  Trump has already shown that he doesn't care about the constitution or the rule of law (several examples exist but I'll highlight tariffs and ending appropriations).  Republicans have already ended the filibuster for another vote.  So it's clear that they don't care about democracy or ending the filibuster.  Make sense?  OK good.

So then Trump says it's the Democrats fault, he can't do anything about it.  That was a lie, and several of us including me pointed out they could just change the rules and open the Govt.

I remember you specifically said that was impossible.

Now Trump is saying that is exactly what Republicans should do.  This proves my point that Trump can end the shutdown today and he doesn't care about chipping away at democracy, just like I said.

Republicans in the Senate are so far resisting but we'll see how long it lasts.  They could be waiting for Democrats to blink which there are some reports that post election day they will.  If not then they could just do what Trump tells them to as they have for 9 months now, we'll see.

Not sure if you can follow along with all that but happy to answer any questions.

[jonnyutah 538]

24 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You just saw this on facebook.

I can explain and use actual critical thought, since I've been saying this.  Trump has already shown that he doesn't care about the constitution or the rule of law (several examples exist but I'll highlight tariffs and ending appropriations).  Republicans have already ended the filibuster for another vote.  So it's clear that they don't care about democracy or ending the filibuster.  Make sense?  OK good.

So then Trump says it's the Democrats fault, he can't do anything about it.  That was a lie, and several of us including me pointed out they could just change the rules and open the Govt.

I remember you specifically said that was impossible.

Now Trump is saying that is exactly what Republicans should do.  This proves my point that Trump can end the shutdown today and he doesn't care about chipping away at democracy, just like I said.

Republicans in the Senate are so far resisting but we'll see how long it lasts.  They could be waiting for Democrats to blink which there are some reports that post election day they will.  If not then they could just do what Trump tells them to as they have for 9 months now, we'll see.

Not sure if you can follow along with all that but happy to answer any questions.

Democrats have bypassed the filibuster before.

Democrats didnt bypass the filibuster to make ACA subsidies permanent. 

Therefore Democrats wanted the ACA subsidies to end otherwise they wouldnt have sunset them. 

Democrats want the ACA subsidies to end! 

[squistion 2,507]

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Therefore Democrats wanted the ACA subsidies to end otherwise they wouldnt have sunset them. 

I don't think that's true. IIRC they had no choice at the time. This is from a post I found on Reddit thread, which sounds accurate to me from what I can remember:

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1oisdde/cmv_democrats_caused_aca_sunsets_and_republicans/

CMV: Democrats caused ACA sunsets. And republicans are not obligated to save them.

[...]

Democrats didn’t “cause” the ACA subsidy sunsets the way you’re saying. Those sunsets were part of the 2021 American Rescue Plan Act and the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act, both passed through reconciliation. That process limits how long new spending can last unless it’s fully paid for within the 10-year budget window. Under Senate rules, Democrats couldn’t make the subsidies permanent without raising taxes or cutting other spending. The sunset wasn’t a choice. It was a procedural limit.

Republicans deciding not to extend the subsidies now is a policy choice, not neutrality. Letting them expire has the same effect as repealing them since it raises costs for millions of people. Voters in both parties mostly want those subsidies kept in place.

You’re right that appropriations are meant to fund already authorized programs. But what’s happening here isn’t Democrats sneaking in new policy. It’s Republicans choosing not to renew an existing one. Once a benefit’s been in place for years, refusing to continue it changes policy just as much as passing something new.

So the sunsets weren’t bad policymaking by Democrats. They were the only way to pass the subsidies under the rules. And Republicans now own the decision to let them die or keep them.

[Ron_Artest 2,192]

Trump again today orders the Republicans to end the filibuster.

[squistion 2,507]

Cross posted in the SNAP thread.

 

[nobody 2,878]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

You just saw this on facebook.

I can explain and use actual critical thought, since I've been saying this.  Trump has already shown that he doesn't care about the constitution or the rule of law (several examples exist but I'll highlight tariffs and ending appropriations).  Republicans have already ended the filibuster for another vote.  So it's clear that they don't care about democracy or ending the filibuster.  Make sense?  OK good.

So then Trump says it's the Democrats fault, he can't do anything about it.  That was a lie, and several of us including me pointed out they could just change the rules and open the Govt.

I remember you specifically said that was impossible.

Now Trump is saying that is exactly what Republicans should do.  This proves my point that Trump can end the shutdown today and he doesn't care about chipping away at democracy, just like I said.

Republicans in the Senate are so far resisting but we'll see how long it lasts.  They could be waiting for Democrats to blink which there are some reports that post election day they will.  If not then they could just do what Trump tells them to as they have for 9 months now, we'll see.

Not sure if you can follow along with all that but happy to answer any questions.

Didn't you also say you didn't think they should end the filibuster?  I can't keep all your pretzel logic straight.

Also, Trump doesn't get to tell the senate what to do.  That's the whole three branches of government thing.  

[Ron_Artest 2,192]

Just now, nobody said:

Didn't you also say you didn't think they should end the filibuster?  I can't keep all your pretzel logic straight.

Agreed, I don't think they should, I think it would be bad for democracy.  I think both sides need to work together.  I think the president needs to mediate a solution.  He doesn't want to.  He wants to rule all and end the filibuster.

You need to stop looking for a gotcha and repeating facebook posts.  I provided you critical thought and analysis.  It's not my problem you don't have the ability to understand it.

[nobody 2,878]

So this clown ass dude, says it's the GOP's fault they aren't doing something he agrees with them that they shouldn't do.  

[Meglamaniac 789]

13 minutes ago, squistion said:

Cross posted in the SNAP thread.

 

OK, seems you 2 made up, did you buy him flowers 

[nobody 2,878]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You need to stop looking for a gotcha and repeating facebook posts.  I provided you critical thought and analysis.  It's not my problem you don't have the ability to understand it.

I don't even have an active facebook account.  I can't help it if even your facebook friends know when something doesn't make any sense.

[Ron_Artest 2,192]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

So this clown ass dude, says it's the GOP's fault they aren't doing something he agrees with them that they shouldn't do.  

 

12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I think both sides need to work together.  I think the president needs to mediate a solution.  He doesn't want to. 

 

Now you're just making sh1t up.  I clearly said the president needs to mediate a solution, and I blame him for not doing so.

[Ron_Artest 2,192]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

I don't even have an active facebook account.  I can't help it if even your facebook friends know when something doesn't make any sense.

I don't have facebook either.  Well you're repeating talking point BS from somewhere.  Maybe whatever social media the russians use.

[HellToupee 2,198]

47 minutes ago, squistion said:

Cross posted in the SNAP thread.

Imagine if everyone did this.Stop spamming or we will take appropriate actions 

[Meglamaniac 789]

12 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

 or we will take appropriate actions 

pegion fry?

[HellToupee 2,198]

16 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

pegion fry?

 

[BrahmaBulls 919]

44 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

pegion fry?

 

 

[squistion 2,507]

They all need to get on the same page:

 

[jonnyutah 538]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

I don't think that's true. IIRC they had no choice at the time. This is from a post I found on Reddit thread, which sounds accurate to me from what I can remember:

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1oisdde/cmv_democrats_caused_aca_sunsets_and_republicans/

CMV: Democrats caused ACA sunsets. And republicans are not obligated to save them.

[...]

Democrats didn’t “cause” the ACA subsidy sunsets the way you’re saying. Those sunsets were part of the 2021 American Rescue Plan Act and the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act, both passed through reconciliation. That process limits how long new spending can last unless it’s fully paid for within the 10-year budget window. Under Senate rules, Democrats couldn’t make the subsidies permanent without raising taxes or cutting other spending. The sunset wasn’t a choice. It was a procedural limit.

Republicans deciding not to extend the subsidies now is a policy choice, not neutrality. Letting them expire has the same effect as repealing them since it raises costs for millions of people. Voters in both parties mostly want those subsidies kept in place.

You’re right that appropriations are meant to fund already authorized programs. But what’s happening here isn’t Democrats sneaking in new policy. It’s Republicans choosing not to renew an existing one. Once a benefit’s been in place for years, refusing to continue it changes policy just as much as passing something new.

So the sunsets weren’t bad policymaking by Democrats. They were the only way to pass the subsidies under the rules. And Republicans now own the decision to let them die or keep them.

Artest is saying republicans can open the government because they could end the filibuster. Because they are choosing not to end the filibuster, he claims they therefore are at fault for not ending the shutdown. 

Democrats didnt end the filibuster and used reconciliation to pass the subsidies. Because they didnt end the filibuster they chose to have the subsidies sunset. Therefore it is because of democrats that the subsidies are ending. 

If Artest is correct about the shutdown then the democrats are absolutely responsible for the subsidies ending. 

So either democrats are to blame for the shutdown or they are to blame for the subsidies ending. You can pick which way you want it, but it requires stupid pretzel logic to convince yourself that the GOP is responsible for both. 

 

[squistion 2,507]

40 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Artest is saying republicans can open the government because they could end the filibuster. Because they are choosing not to end the filibuster, he claims they therefore are at fault for not ending the shutdown. 

Democrats didnt end the filibuster and used reconciliation to pass the subsidies. Because they didnt end the filibuster they chose to have the subsidies sunset. Therefore it is because of democrats that the subsidies are ending. 

If Artest is correct about the shutdown then the democrats are absolutely responsible for the subsidies ending. 

So either democrats are to blame for the shutdown or they are to blame for the subsidies ending. You can pick which way you want it, but it requires stupid pretzel logic to convince yourself that the GOP is responsible for both. 

Only because they had no choice and that was the only option open to them to having the subsidies at all. 

[jonnyutah 538]

14 minutes ago, squistion said:

56 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Artest is saying republicans can open the government because they could end the filibuster. Because they are choosing not to end the filibuster, he claims they therefore are at fault for not ending the shutdown. 

Democrats didnt end the filibuster and used reconciliation to pass the subsidies. Because they didnt end the filibuster they chose to have the subsidies sunset. Therefore it is because of democrats that the subsidies are ending. 

If Artest is correct about the shutdown then the democrats are absolutely responsible for the subsidies ending. 

So either democrats are to blame for the shutdown or they are to blame for the subsidies ending. You can pick which way you want it, but it requires stupid pretzel logic to convince yourself that the GOP is responsible for both. 

Only because they had no choice and that was the only option open to them to having the subsidies at all. 

It was not the only option, but I mostly disagree with the nuclear option and think it shouldnt happen here, perhaps that is what you mean.

So democrats are responsible for the shutdown and then the GOP would be responsible for the subsidies ending and ron is wrong. 

I can live with that. 

[Ron_Artest 2,192]

Hey @jonnyutah if the Democrats were able to stop the tax cut extension and tax cuts were allowed to expire, would it be the Republicans fault?

[Maximum Overkill 2,425]

Another day of the SCHUMER SHUTDOWN. 

HE'S KILLING AMERICANS!!!! 

PLEASE END IT CHUCK!!! 

[jonnyutah 538]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Hey @jonnyutah if the Democrats were able to stop the tax cut extension and tax cuts were allowed to expire, would it be the Republicans fault?

Did that happen?

[jerryskids 7,070]

On 11/3/2025 at 3:04 PM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Because it wasn’t negotiated… in a way that would gain enough votes in the Senate?

It's a clean CR; those aren't generally negotiated.  Negotiation takes a while -- if they could negotiate everything, they wouldn't need a CR, they could just pass the budget.

Unless by "negotiate" you mean giving the Dems everything they want.  I suppose that would be quick.   

[Tree of Knowledge 2,114]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Another day of the SCHUMER SHUTDOWN. 

HE'S KILLING AMERICANS!!!! 

PLEASE END IT CHUCK!!! 

Literally.  There was a plane crash in Louisville this evening.  

[Voltaire 5,483]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Only because they had no choice and that was the only option open to them to having the subsidies at all. 

It wasn't the only option because, as you point out, they could have ended the filibuster. Why didn't they end the fillibuster and pass the bill in the form you claim they wanted?

[Ron_Artest 2,192]

4 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Literally.  There was a plane crash in Louisville this evening.  

DEI 

[Maximum Overkill 2,425]

16 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Literally.  There was a plane crash in Louisville this evening.  

It's horrible!!! Chuck is 100% responsible. 

[Grace Under Pressure 162]

1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Literally.  There was a plane crash in Louisville this evening.  

Trump did this. He hopes MAGA never flies again. Only cult followers that fly private or charter should be able to fly safely. MAGA hopes more Liberalz died on the flight. 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,114]

1 hour ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Trump did this. He hopes MAGA never flies again. Only cult followers that fly private or charter should be able to fly safely. MAGA hopes more Liberalz died on the flight. 

Seek help.  

[Fireballer 2,677]

How much longer does this linger now elections are over?

[FrancieFootball 151]

Longest in our history.

Trump's fault.