Djgb13 2,338 Posted October 25, 2016 Will he be the main back for the Packers? Obviously this past weekend was too soon. But I snagged him in one league and hoping he ends up to be starting their next game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimaveli 119 Posted October 25, 2016 James Starks or some rb currently not on their roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted October 25, 2016 Starks is injured though too isn't he? And why would they go and trade for Davis? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 25, 2016 Why wouldn't they go with TyMont, a guy built like an RB who has been fantastic the last two weeks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimaveli 119 Posted October 25, 2016 It'll be ty for a month but that may not last all year. I think Starks will get yet another shot whenever he's back. Â I'm scurred that knile isn't going to work out. Maybe he's fine and he was just stuck in Andy's doghouse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 752 Posted October 25, 2016 It'll be ty for a month but that may not last all year. I think Starks will get yet another shot whenever he's back. Â I'm scurred that knile isn't going to work out. Maybe he's fine and he was just stuck in Andy's doghouse. Reid complimented him on his way out, saying their offiense is better suited to slash type players like charles and ware, while davis is better suited as a downfield runner. Mentioned he thought he is still a great player and thought he would do well if he found the right system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted October 25, 2016 Well they now make terrible decisions so I'm sure they will do the same here. In the Meantime I'll be starting Ty at wr every week in ppr where he gets 10 catches a game. Starks sucks, Davis isn't any better so I don't see the running game happening much. Buy Rogers now, he's in for a big second half of volume. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobby heenan 60 Posted October 25, 2016 Pay attention guys ...ty is the guy there.....Davis jackson and starks are just guys and bodies .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 25, 2016 I am paying attention. Ty isn't a RB. He is a receiver who beat up on the Bears last week. Not saying it's knile, but Ty just looks like a dude who no one covers so Rodgers throws to him. And he looked like crap running the ball imo. Just had some open holes. Anyone can run through open holes. He got stopped on the goal line where a decent rb would have scored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobby heenan 60 Posted October 25, 2016 U aren't paying attention ...did u even read the PFF article I posted twice yesterday? Davis is a body ...the guy was 4th on a depth chart ffs...starks should be ready to retire ....Montgomery has a way better crack at this than any other guy  He'd hardly be the first back to get stopped at the goal....that will change with experience ...he would have scored if he stretched his arms but because he's not too familiar and used to it he pulled them in so he wouldnt lose the ball....not realizing it was 4th down anyway....this all comes with experience and comfortability... Which he's gaining....he also showed an ability to pass block last Thursday 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobSanders_33 127 Posted October 25, 2016 I am paying attention. Ty isn't a RB. He is a receiver who beat up on the Bears last week. Not saying it's knile, but Ty just looks like a dude who no one covers so Rodgers throws to him. And he looked like crap running the ball imo. Just had some open holes. Anyone can run through open holes. He got stopped on the goal line where a decent rb would have scored. Â The reason he had open holes was because defenses have to put out a nickel package to account for Ty being on the field and he gets open because it is hard for a LB to match up on him out of the backfield. I think this is how the offense is going to work right now and a lot of short passes that work as an extension of the running game. Â For the person that said why trade for Davis? Because they need a body, there are no decent FA RBs and it cost them nearly nothing to take a look at a young player. I can see Davis getting some run in a month when the weather gets cold and they pound the ball more. I can also see the Packers giving him some work to see if he can be a good back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 25, 2016 I am paying attention. Ty isn't a RB. He is a receiver who beat up on the Bears last week. Not saying it's knile, but Ty just looks like a dude who no one covers so Rodgers throws to him. And he looked like crap running the ball imo. Just had some open holes. Anyone can run through open holes. He got stopped on the goal line where a decent rb would have scored. Come on. He looked *great* running the ball. He was carrying guys with him and breaking tackles. Only thing he didn't do was extend the ball for the TD. Because he was protecting it too much (Matt Jones cough cough). Â Absurd to say he didn't look good running the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[echo] 72 Posted October 25, 2016 in a league that has tried the likes of the Wildcat, and other unheralded schemes to gain a unforeseen edge.. i too think Ty Mont is going to be the guy. Â He's like Eric Metcalf for the Falcons back in the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redsrback 30 Posted October 25, 2016 Funny thing u say Metcalf, he was only draftable because fantasy football rewarded kick and punt returns to the player for TDs back then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Goomy Noomy Roo 47 Posted October 25, 2016 Pay attention guys ...ty is the guy there.....Davis jackson and starks are just guys and bodies .... This! T-Monty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 25, 2016 Come on. He looked *great* running the ball. He was carrying guys with him and breaking tackles. Only thing he didn't do was extend the ball for the TD. Because he was protecting it too much (Matt Jones cough cough). Â Absurd to say he didn't look good running the ball. It's not absurd at all. End of game stats are good and that's all anyone cares about. They don't look any deeper. Then the player has a bad game and everyone is wondering why this two week super star sucks all of a sudden. Â Ya know who sucks cack? Bortles. No one saw it because his stats were solid. Now that his stats aren't solid everyone is wondering what happened. Bortles has always been this way. He just got luckier and had an easier sched. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Goomy Noomy Roo 47 Posted October 25, 2016 The difference here is that defenses can't just say... "oh we have this T-Monty guy now lets stack the box or just double team him"... that ain't gonna work when you have Jordy and Adams waiting in the wings for Rodgers to chuck it. And as soon as you double cover Adams or Jordy... T-Monty gonna squirt out for a short pass and run into the secondary. Â Barring fumbles or injury, I think defenses will continue to have their hands full now that Rodgers has a new safety-valve toy. Â They have a FB and TE to punch it in on those close goal-line situations which they should do so they don't break this guy and put him on the bench with Lacy... but T-Monty will have his chances if he can run it in from distance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 25, 2016 The difference here is that defenses can't just say... "oh we have this T-Monty guy now lets stack the box or just double team him"... that ain't gonna work when you have Jordy and Adams waiting in the wings for Rodgers to chuck it. And as soon as you double cover Adams or Jordy... T-Monty gonna squirt out for a short pass and run into the secondary. Â Barring fumbles or injury, I think defenses will continue to have their hands full now that Rodgers has a new safety-valve toy. Â They have a FB and TE to punch it in on those close goal-line situations which they should do so they don't break this guy and put him on the bench with Lacy... but T-Monty will have his chances if he can run it in from distance. Wow... you guys are acting like Montgomery is the first player to ever be able to line up as a RB and also catch passes. If it was this easy then every team would be doing it an dominating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Goomy Noomy Roo 47 Posted October 25, 2016 Wow... you guys are acting like Montgomery is the first player to ever be able to line up as a RB and also catch passes. If it was this easy then every team would be doing it an dominating. GB is not every team... T-Monty just adds a wrinkle to an already good team... Rodgers is taking advantage of it... Yes, defenses will game-plan it but... GB now has a better option to be able to spread things out and keep Ds honest. Oh its been done before sure... why not in GB? Â Trust me... I am no GB fan... lets get that straight now! But I will be riding the T-Monty train for another 2-3 weeks at least! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted October 25, 2016 Ty will have some nice games...but I don't think the model against the Bears will work for the rest of the year. Teams need an RB to pound the ball. I think Knile gets a shot...but not sure he ever gets more than 15 carries or so. Even Lacy wasn't getting a ton of carries. Ty will still get 5-10 carries and a bunch of looks out of the backfield as that versatility has made the offense work a bit better. Â I would say Knile may be an ok stash as a just in case...or a bye week/injury filler. But when Starks returns, that may get muddied up even more. Â I don't see a consistent FF performer as an RB in GB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cooters22 0 Posted October 25, 2016 Knile will get some carries, maybe 10 a game, but Ty Montgomery will be the guy there until Starks comes back in a couple of weeks. Then it will be Montgomery more just on third downs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobby heenan 60 Posted October 25, 2016 Starks is virtually done here...him coming back won't change anything  Only things that change anything are injury, Montgomery's play falling off a cliff or fumbling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 25, 2016 It's not absurd at all. End of game stats are good and that's all anyone cares about. They don't look any deeper. Then the player has a bad game and everyone is wondering why this two week super star sucks all of a sudden. Â Ya know who sucks cack? Bortles. No one saw it because his stats were solid. Now that his stats aren't solid everyone is wondering what happened. Bortles has always been this way. He just got luckier and had an easier sched. I watched every snap of the game. He was running hard, not going down with every first contact, and I was saying so here during the game. If you watched him run, it's absurd to say he ran poorly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutdown 40 Posted October 25, 2016 A couple of things. I agree with the posters who have pointed out the Montgomery isn't a true RB. I do think that showed on the GL carry as the D-Line was pushed back into the endzone on that play and it looked liked he just didn't read the blocks correctly. Â Next, if GB just needed "a guy" at RB, there are a ton of them floating around not on NFL rosters they could have signed. The fact they the traded for Davis leads me to believe the organization sees him as a little more than "a guy". Â What all this means is that I'm still not sure what the packers plan is here. I think that there will always be some plays with TY in as RB. I think Davis is probably going to see more opportunities as he acclimates to the offense. Â I think the better option is clearly Montgomery, (no brainer in PPR) as he's probably going to be on the field in both roles for the forseable future, but I wouldn't discount the pack inserting Davis in for GL work. In all likelihood it will be tough to start any Packers RB, the exception being Montgomery in PPR formats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobby heenan 60 Posted October 25, 2016 shutdown, on 25 Oct 2016 - 2:58 PM, said:  A couple of things. I agree with the posters who have pointed out the Montgomery isn't a true RB. I do think that showed on the GL carry as the D-Line was pushed back into the endzone on that play and it looked liked he just didn't read the blocks correctly.  Next, if GB just needed "a guy" at RB, there are a ton of them floating around not on NFL rosters they could have signed. The fact they the traded for Davis leads me to believe the organization sees him as a little more than "a guy".  What all this means is that I'm still not sure what the packers plan is here. I think that there will always be some plays with TY in as RB. I think Davis is probably going to see more opportunities as he acclimates to the offense.  I think the better option is clearly Montgomery, (no brainer in PPR) as he's probably going to be on the field in both roles for the forseable future, but I wouldn't discount the pack inserting Davis in for GL work. In all likelihood it will be tough to start any Packers RB, the exception being Montgomery in PPR formats. he'll be fine running the ball....it comes with experience...he doesnt have enough work in actual game situations to read blocks well or have the presence of mind to stretch his arms out on a 4th down play(especially after putting the ball on teh ground a couple of times).......he hasnt spent a heck of alot of time working out of the backfield so its all about getting acclimated.......he did a great job picking up a blitz and block trevathan on thursday night....theres alot to learn and pickup....reading blocks and knowing the game situation is just another part of it.........i remember watching gurley early last year.....plenty of times, especially early, where he was impatient and was hitting a hole without letting his blocks set themselves up.....it comes with practice and game reps which he didnt have...i saw perfect examples of him missing a BIG gain by being impatient and not reading his blocks....and i think we all know how talented he is and how he was short on practice and live situations  are there plenty of guys around the nfl? yeah......sure you could trade for any live body on a nfl roster....but how many guys are going to cost the price of being "just a guy" that come with 250 regular season carries? not many guys sitting around 4th on a depth chart with 250 live nfl carries....that cost next to nothing  id expect davis to see some work for sure....but montgomery has x factor type of ability.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,644 Posted October 25, 2016 I think GB is a mess to stay away from, but everyone is judging it after playing the bears. Caveat emptor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 25, 2016 I think GB is a mess to stay away from, but everyone is judging it after playing the bears. Caveat emptor. Name ten teams that aren't a mess to stay away from (in any other year) at RB. When everything is a mess, you can't stay away from everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,644 Posted October 25, 2016 Name ten teams that aren't a mess to stay away from (in any other year) at RB. When everything is a mess, you can't stay away from everything. I think the whole team is a mess, not just the RB. It's been a well of fantasy goodness for a long time, but I think it's run dry. Of course you play Rodgers, but the rest? No thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 25, 2016 I think the whole team is a mess, not just the RB. It's been a well of fantasy goodness for a long time, but I think it's run dry. Of course you play Rodgers, but the rest? No thanks. I don't know. Two weeks now of good production from TyMont (he played and put up a bunch of yards against Dallas too) makes me keep playing him. Â But my broader point is that the entire league is full of backfields that, in almost any previous year, I would have on my Keep Away From list. But I can't keep away from them, because I need running backs, and ALL available backs are in bad situations. So you pick the best of the bad. Over two weeks, TyMont fits. We'll see if he stays there, but there are also good reasons to think he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quickolas1 80 Posted October 25, 2016 For now: Knile gets 7-12 carries, Ty gets 3-5. Ty catches a bunch of swing passes that act as running plays. Â Ty is not going to get 10+ carries and another 10 catches per game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 26, 2016 Ty is not going to get 10+ carries and another 10 catches per game.Why not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 26, 2016 Why not? 10 catches per game. You are delusional. Two good games statistically and Ty has reinvented the position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChinaCat 21 Posted October 26, 2016 Come on. He looked *great* running the ball. He was carrying guys with him and breaking tackles. Only thing he didn't do was extend the ball for the TD Hey BrokeBack. Â Do you like guys extending thier balls? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n_omarley 11 Posted October 26, 2016 homer here  I expect K. Davis to get an expanded role this week and moving forward. Ted doesn't trade picks for people he doesn't plan to use.  Also of note: Pack had to put J. Abberdaris on IR this week, so Montgomery's role as a true WR became a bit more important. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 26, 2016 Hey BrokeBack. Â Do you like guys extending thier balls? Why, you cruising? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted October 26, 2016 10 catches per game. You are delusional. Two good games statistically and Ty has reinvented the position. I simply asked why you think the production isn't sustainable. What evidence do you have that the team is going to change what they are doing? What has the team said? Why do you think that? Just that it hasn't happened? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted October 26, 2016 I simply asked why you think the production isn't sustainable. What evidence do you have that the team is going to change what they are doing? What has the team said? Why do you think that? Just that it hasn't happened? 10 catches per game = 160 catches in a season. For a rb. I just don't see how that number is possible. Do we start asking if Ajayi is going to run for 200 yards per game because he had back to back games? No. It's just not reasonable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobby heenan 60 Posted October 26, 2016 10 catches per game = 160 catches in a season. For a rb. I just don't see how that number is possible. Do we start asking if Ajayi is going to run for 200 yards per game because he had back to back games? No. It's just not reasonable. Â i dont think anyone reasonably expects montgomery to average 10 catches a game guy.....thats a pretty absurd number.....but i think its reasonable for someone to hope/expect montgomerys snap count stays around the same....prob a slight dip ....but i dont think all of the sudden hes coming off the field Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark91G 13 Posted October 26, 2016 tbh yes GB has been misfiring all year but if you look at what is happing it looks good moving forward. Â Jordy isn't the same player but teams are still putting their best cb on him Adams is now putting up numbers cobb has had 2 solid weeks back to back and looking better. now mont is causing issues perhaps because he is unpredictable in back field cause they have only got 2 games to look at him. and tbh ppl saying he isn't a good rb or he will get better dosnt really matter as he is a good catching out the back field like ppl have been saying I can see him having a lot of snaps I mean he is either rb1 or rb 2 going forward and like has been said before the man don't go down easy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarvis Basnight 119 Posted October 26, 2016 homer here  I expect K. Davis to get an expanded role this week and moving forward. Ted doesn't trade picks for people he doesn't plan to use.  Also of note: Pack had to put J. Abberdaris on IR this week, so Montgomery's role as a true WR became a bit more important. Gracias. Good stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
