For all you Iraq war supporters

[fastfish 0]

They were already nearby, in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Turkey, etc.

 

the only Arab nations that have actual US forces BASED there in any substantial way is Bahrain..where 5th Fleet is homeported and Kuwait.

 

US forces NOT in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Turkey etc

 

(I see pauligirl knows as little as you do about the real world hoydewow)

 

SHH! You'll upset fastfish just as he is inserting his G.I Joe doll up his rear end while moving his Risk game pieces into the Middle East. That gets him angry. We don't want him angry. Every time he gets angry youn boys in his neighborhood disappear.

 

try to get a clue before making a fool of yourself everyday...you know nada about the war in the Mid-East or anything related to our military...stick to social issues where you can speak about gay rights with some authority.

 

no link to show us how Islam is not unique in it's TEACHING of intolerance?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

the only Arab nations that has actual US forces BASED their in any substantial way is Bahrain..where 5th Fleet is homeported and Kuwait.

 

US forces NOT in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Turkey etc

So we didn't have any military bases in Turkey (Incirlik Air Base, for example)?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/incirlik.htm

 

Prior to September 11, 2001 the base’s human element included nearly 1,400 US Air Force military members, more than 670 US and Turkish civilian employees, more than 2,000 family members, nearly 900 Turkish maintenance contractors, and approximately 1,700 people deployed to support ONW.

 

 

Also, why are we looking to have more "bases in Iraq" and such, when our own Defense Department is saying that is not necessary.

 

http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display....beekcm0.1573145

 

Changes in the global strategic picture, in addition to revolutions in military technology, transportation and logistics, mean that U.S. forces no longer need to maintain the numerous large bases and supply hubs across Western Europe and northeast Asia.

 

It is now possible for U.S. forces to do more with less, the officials said, by maintaining fewer, smaller military bases overseas, minimally staffed “forward operating sites,” and “cooperative security locations,” sites operated by allied countries that could be activated for use by deployed American forces should the need arise.

[fastfish 0]

So we didn't have any military bases in Turkey (Incirlik Air Base, for example)?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/incirlik.htm

 

Turkey is a member of NATO and yet when we needed airbases to attack Iraq from the north in 2003, we were denied permission. That problem is solved now. We have many airbases in the heart of the Arab world...and they will be used as needed without a permission slip from local Arab hosts.

 

So the answer is no substantial US forces in Turkey.

 

part 2 of your search provides no new info...US forces have built and are building airbases in Iraq and Afghanistan that will be used for many years to come. Maybe the NYTimes will print there exact locations for the world to see in the near future.

[hoytdwow 202]

the only Arab nations that have actual US forces BASED there in any substantial way is Bahrain..where 5th Fleet is homeported and Kuwait.

 

US forces NOT in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Turkey etc

There's an Air Force Base in Turkey, major facilities in Qatar, including part of Central Command and the 3rd US Army, the Navy is all over the Persian Gulf, etc.

 

also, you're dumb

[donhaas 19]

You cant be dumb enough to think this is a war against Iraq ? Could you ?

 

This is a war against radical islam, and its gonna be a long one, Iraq is a stratigical base in this war....it had to be done.

If half of you terrorist supporting ass bags would take off your sore loser bush bashing glasses, you could accept this reality.

 

I don't give a sh!t about Bush. He's a not very smart and a silverspooned chickensh!thawk mamas boy who was handed everything in his life. Just like a lot of his followers here at this site.

 

I care about the boys getting slaughtered in this quagmire that we entered based on lies to suit the neo-con chickensh!t hawk agenda.

 

If we could get one freakin' chickenhawk to fight in this war that they believe so strongly in, I might change my mind. But they're all big-talking poosays.

 

Send a Bush twin over there to honor our country and the war would be over by the end of the day. It's easy to send other people's kids to die.

 

Spineless cowards.

 

HTH!

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

no new info from me. Just the normal tapdance around the question.

 

Gotcha. Thanks.

[fastfish 0]

There's an Air Force Base in Turkey, major facilities in Qatar, including part of Central Command and the 3rd US Army, the Navy is all over the Persian Gulf, etc.

 

also, you're dumb

 

facilities and offices are not airbases...already spoke to the Turkey question...and the Navy is homeported in Bahrain..but no airbase. Also we left Saudi Arabia in 2003 COMPLETELY...to soothe the feelings of those Islamists who felt our presence (to save their skin in Gulf War I) defiled the dirt where The Prophet once took his bowel movements. (I like that etc. thing you do...does that mean you have tons more examples but don't want to share them right now?)

 

having served as part of Rapid Deployment Force Bahrain onboard USS Coronado AGF-11 1982-83, maybe you should just take my word on this one.

 

Gotcha. Thanks.

 

maybe you should heed your own sig line....

 

go ask anyone at the Pentagon (or on the street outside your house) if the US has any militarily useful presence in Turkey or if Turkey is viewed as a possible staging area for our upcoming war with Iran?

 

hurry back with that answer

[shovelheadt 72]

Ever see a group fo kids from all different backgrounds get together? They don't see religion or race, they see other kids. Intolerance is a learned behavior, whether it is taught in Islamic schools or taught by people like you, it's not a natural human behavior.

 

That i smy only point.

 

Once again, the Liberal side just can't fathom how someone can make up their mind on their own. If it doesn't agree with your point of view, it was wrongly taught to someone. You need to separate learned from taught. It's quite easy to learn something by observing things around you. And that IS a natural human behavior.

 

Turkey is a member of NATO and yet when we needed airbases to attack Iraq from the north in 2003, we were denied permission. That problem is solved now. We have many airbases in the heart of the Arab world...and they will be used as needed without a permission slip from local Arab hosts.

 

So the answer is no substantial US forces in Turkey.

 

part 2 of your search provides no new info...US forces have built and are building airbases in Iraq and Afghanistan that will be used for many years to come. Maybe the NYTimes will print there exact locations for the world to see in the near future.

 

Got news for you, a lot of these countries deny us permission just for the sake of public opinion. Doesn't mean that's how it's played out. Example, Gulf War 1. Spain flat out refused us permission to launch any attacks from their soil. We could only stage, refuel, etc.

 

How many attacks do you think we launched from one of their islands? (I worked with the flight clearance guy in the embassy).

[paulinstl 296]

Once again, the Liberal side just can't fathom how someone can make up their mind on their own. If it doesn't agree with your point of view, it was wrongly taught to someone. You need to separate learned from taught. It's quite easy to learn something by observing things around you. And that IS a natural human behavior.

 

And in my earler post I claimed that intolerance came about through ignorance, fear and stupidity. Which one of these applies to you and your rationalization for intolerance, I have no idea.

 

HTH

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

go ask anyone at the Pentagon (or on the street outside your house) if the US has any militarily useful presence in Turkey or if Turkey is viewed as a possible staging area for our upcoming war with Iran?

 

hurry back with that answer

OK. I just asked the two kids across the street selling lemonade. They said that we have been using Turkey since the Cold War and that I am being a little silly in even debating with fartfish.

 

As far as an upcoming war with Iran, I sure hope that you are the first one there and that someone puts an AK-47 shot in your head. You are a useless war monger.

[gratefulted 14]

most of those that support the war could care less about the collateral damage that comes with it. Especially when you free an otherwise oppressed people, the thirst for vengeance is insatiable.

 

I'm saddened by the american soldiers themselves, the stories that are starting to come out of Iraq are horrifying. raping a woman and killing her family?

 

I actually feel for these young men put under constant rpessure and they snap and something like this happens or the recent massacre.

 

I have yet to see evidence of us winning and in the end I do wonder what the cost will be to put an airbase in iraq.

The soldiers are too stressed, alot are on thier 2nd and 3rd tours cuz recuitment is way down, now if some of these big talkers such as fliishflash, gettinskeered, drob and Ty Cobb could replace them maybe things could be better, but they're a bunch of gutless pussies who'd never do such a thing.

[bob_probert_2000 1]

Great find.

 

This is the one reason I'm against the war over there. You're not going to change these people. They're used to living like savages and now you know why. They're taught from an early age that killing is ok if it's done in the name of Islam. Fock, they even kill if you don't practice the right type of Islam. Nobody else in the civilized world gives a rats ass what anybody worships except these pukes. Even you Liberal insignificants can see the fundamental problem of making religion a staple of their academics...right? You've sure got a problem with it here in our schools.

 

I do feel bad for the innocent bystanders in all of this, which is why a total withdrawl wouldn't be wise. Damned if you, damned if you don't.

Kill em all and let Muhammed sort it out.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Even you Liberal insignificants can see the fundamental problem of making religion a staple of their academics...right? You've sure got a problem with it here in our schools.

 

I thought the Liberals wanted to have no religion in schools and the Conservatives wanted more religion in schools. Radical religion (any religion) is probably not a good thing.

 

Did I miss something in the interpretation?

[shovelheadt 72]

And in my earler post I claimed that intolerance came about through ignorance, fear and stupidity. Which one of these applies to you and your rationalization for intolerance, I have no idea.

 

HTH

 

I like how you try to lob insults to hide your back and forth babbling. You're one of those no blood for oil dudes aren't you? See if you can keep up.. I am intolerant of no race, religion, or lifestyle regardless of my opinion of them. I deal with every walk of life on a daily basis and treat everyone the same. The moment I start believing that all Islamics should die a fiery death for the sole reason that they don't worship my god, then you can start tossing around 'intolerant'.

 

That being said, being tolerant does not make me blind to the basic teachings of Islam..which is all other religions are garbage and kill em all.

 

I thought the Liberals wanted to have no religion in schools and the Conservatives wanted more religion in schools. Radical religion (any religion) is probably not a good thing.

 

Did I miss something in the interpretation?

 

Maybe I should have clarified it further, but that's exactly what I was getting at.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

That being said, being tolerant does not make me blind to the basic teachings of Islam..which is all other religions are garbage and kill em all.

 

Again, I am not a religious scholar, but I always thought that the basic teachings of Islam are similar to Christianity (don't kill, don't steal, don't cheat on your wife, etc.). It is when the radical nuts twist what the basic teachings say that we get into trouble (i.e. kill 'em all).

 

Is that correct?

[torridjoe 48]

Again, I am not a religious scholar, but I always thought that the basic teachings of Islam are similar to Christianity (don't kill, don't steal, don't cheat on your wife, etc.). It is when the radical nuts twist what the basic teachings say that we get into trouble (i.e. kill 'em all).

 

Is that correct?

 

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all branches of the same tree, theologically speaking. Jews believe there is no major prophet, Christians have one, Islam recognizes two. Simplistically speaking, anyway.

[Q.Lazzarus 0]

Terra, strategery, nucular, smoke em' out, 911, WMD.

 

Thanks GW

 

27000+ iraqis killed since Jan '05 (who knows how many since the start of this conflict)

 

2544 US Troops Killed in Iraq

 

18777 US Troops wounded

 

408 coalition forces killed in Afghanistan

 

795 coalition forces wounded in Afghanistan

 

 

Bush and the neo-cons wanted this.

[Voltaire 5,534]

Bush and the neo-cons wanted this.

 

'Wanted' is a harsh word... they 'caused' this.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all branches of the same tree, theologically speaking. Jews believe there is no major prophet, Christians have one, Islam recognizes two. Simplistically speaking, anyway.

 

But aside from the number of prophets, don't they all essentially teach the same sort of things regarding how we should treat one another?

 

I received my info on the subject from a Tom Clancy book, so it is not formal teaching. Everything that I have seen certainly bears this out.

[drobeski 3,061]

While I can't speak directly for him, I'm betting he didn't learn it from his family. I for one, never knew what a Muslim was growing up. But after traveling the world and watching/reading countless news articles, I've come to my own conclusion.

bingo, I base my opinions on that awfull radical eliment of that religion just by watching the evening news.....thats all you need to know they are a sick bunch of pieces of crap who need extermination.

[Q.Lazzarus 0]

bingo, I base my opinions on that awfull radical eliment of that religion just by watching the evening news.....thats all you need to know they are a sick bunch of pieces of crap who need extermination.

 

 

Meat head

[drobeski 3,061]

Meat head

dont watch the news much huh ? too busy filling up the ipod with rave tunes ? hear about the bombings in india today ?

What do you think the chances are that a muslim group pulled it off ?

 

Paulistl, would you mind explaining to me why radical islam should be tolerated ?

 

TIA

[doughboys_2002 11]

As a commie-pinko-liberal, as it was so nicely put earlier in the thread, I beleive it is time to stop the Bush's fault crap. I don't like Bush, but the "People" voted for him, so we have to live with the results. As for the war itself, I think it's not worth the time blaming people, we have Americans dieing over there for us. They are, at this point fighting people who might be targeting the US if not for the war. People are losing loved ones and all we can do is bicker over whether it's wrong or right. We need to support the people we have over there and do what we can to get as many of them home as possible!

[Rude Rick 0]

As a commie-pinko-liberal, as it was so nicely put earlier in the thread, I beleive it is time to stop the Bush's fault crap. I don't like Bush, but the "People" voted for him, so we have to live with the results. As for the war itself, I think it's not worth the time blaming people, we have Americans dieing over there for us. They are, at this point fighting people who might be targeting the US if not for the war. People are losing loved ones and all we can do is bicker over whether it's wrong or right. We need to support the people we have over there and do what we can to get as many of them home as possible!

 

If you're not part of the solution...you're the problem

 

-M.X.

[What is the deal? 1]

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all branches of the same tree, theologically speaking. Jews believe there is no major prophet, Christians have one, Islam recognizes two. Simplistically speaking, anyway.

the big difference is that Christians and Jews in the world today don't practice the extreme religion that Hitler, Osama, and all radical nutcases do. The whole point of western civilization is to accept others and work with them and we will all gain something in the end. The Islamifascists in the Middle East and around the world do not understand this because they are being taught starting at 5 years old that is not the way of life. They are corrupted and there is only one way to fix that...

 

eta: let me re-state that Radicalism is not as prevalent within the Christians and Jews. Examples like the Klu Klux Klan can be brought up, but they are becoming more and more extinct.

[jerryskids 7,220]

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all branches of the same tree, theologically speaking. Jews believe there is no major prophet, Christians have one, Islam recognizes two. Simplistically speaking, anyway.

True, although Islam considers Jesus a prophet, Christianity considers him a little more.

[doughboys_2002 11]

If you're not part of the solution...you're the problem

 

-M.X.

[torridjoe 48]

True, although Islam considers Jesus a prophet, Christianity considers him a little more.

 

Of course. Mohammed is obviously Islam's Jesus, but they do believe Jesus existed. I'm not sure the reverse is true.

[What is the deal? 1]

The soldiers are too stressed, alot are on thier 2nd and 3rd tours cuz recuitment is way down, now if some of these big talkers such as fliishflash, gettinskeered, drob and Ty Cobb could replace them maybe things could be better, but they're a bunch of gutless pussies who'd never do such a thing.

yes soldiers are stressed out, but that's because they have a tough job. I know a person that works at the base in Ashland, NE training soldiers. He has been begging to go over there and they won't let him. He says they have plenty of recruits and they have been hitting their quotas. The published reports about the of our armed forces dwindling is from the Terrorist supporting left that wants to believe that America is too weak to fight. Call me a chickenhawk or whatever you want. I tried to enlist, they didn't let me in. If they needed people that badly they would overlook a few DUI's...

 

Of course. Mohammed is obviously Islam's Jesus, but they do believe Jesus existed. I'm not sure the reverse is true.

Christians and Jews have evolved, Muslims wish it was still the 16th century or whenver it was that they were dominant. Although, there are certain Muslims that are on board and have evolved. The UAE for example...

[jerryskids 7,220]

If they needed people that badly they would overlook a few DUI's...

They could just tell you to shoot at the target in the middle.

[What is the deal? 1]

They could just tell you to shoot at the target in the middle.

well obviously I wouldn't be drinking while I was serving my country (if I could be allowed that opportunity)

[jerryskids 7,220]

well obviously I wouldn't be drinking while I was serving my country (if I could be allowed that opportunity)

I was just giving you shiot because you lobbed a softball. I appreciate your willingness to serve our country, seriously.

[fastfish 0]

tolerate this:

 

Eight bombs hit Bombay's commuter rail network during rush hour Tuesday evening, killing at least 147 people and wounding more than 400 in what authorities called a well-coordinated terrorist attack.

 

There was no immediate claim of responsibility in the bombings, which came in quick succession - a common tactic employed by Kashmiri militants. The blasts came hours after a series of grenade attacks by Islamic extremists killed eight people in the main city of India's part of Kashmir.

 

Chaos engulfed the crowded rail network in India's financial capital following the blasts that ripped apart densely packed carriages on trains that police said had either pulled into stations or were traveling between them. Doors and windows were blown off the train cars, and witnesses said body parts were strewn on the ground.

 

After meeting with his Cabinet, Maharashtra state Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh said Tuesday night that the death toll was 147, with another 439 wounded.

 

Deshmukh, the state's top elected official, also corrected initial reports of seven blasts, saying there had actually been eight, including two at one station.

 

Authorities struggled to treat survivors and recover the dead in the wreckage amid heavy monsoon downpours, and the effort continued into the night. Survivors clutched bandages to their heads and faces, and some frantically dialed their cell phones. Luggage and debris were spattered with blood.

 

There was no immediate indication if suicide bombers were involved. Police inspector Ramesh Sawant said most of the victims suffered head and chest injuries, leading authorities to believe the bombs were placed in overhead luggage racks.

 

'I can't hear anything,' said Shailesh Mhate, a man in his 20s, sitting on the floor of Veena Desai Hospital surrounded by bloody cotton swabs. 'People around me didn't survive. I don't know how I did.'

 

Another man, bloody bandages over his eyes, held out a phone to a nurse, begging her to call his wife and tell her he was OK.

 

The first explosion hit a train at a railway station in the suburb of Bandra about 6:20 p.m., and was followed down the line of the Western Railway at Khar, Jogeshwari, Mahim, Mira Road, Matunga and finally Borivili, which was struck by two blasts at 6:35 p.m., according to the Star News channel.

 

Some passengers reportedly jumped from speeding trains in panic.

 

In Washington, two U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because the events were still unfolding said it was too early to know for certain what group was behind the attacks. But both officials said they were likely part of the sectarian violence over Kashmir.

 

One of the officials said the attacks' coordinated nature and their targeting of trains at peak travel times match the modus operandi of two Islamic extremist groups that have been active in India during the last several years: Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, or Army of the Righteous, and Jaish-e-Mohammad, or Army of Mohammed.

 

The U.S. government has designated both groups as terrorist organizations and considers them affiliates of al-Qaida.

[TyCobb 0]

But aside from the number of prophets, don't they all essentially teach the same sort of things regarding how we should treat one another?

 

No, Christianity teaches to "love your enemies." Islam does not. In fact, it teaches quite the opposite. Infadels who won't convert are to be killed.

[torridjoe 48]

No, Christianity teaches to "love your enemies." Islam does not. In fact, it teaches quite the opposite. Infadels who won't convert are to be killed.

 

So the problem is not that Bush is a bad Christian; he just can't read very well?

[TyCobb 0]

The soldiers are too stressed, alot are on thier 2nd and 3rd tours cuz recuitment is way down, now if some of these big talkers such as fliishflash, gettinskeered, drob and Ty Cobb could replace them maybe things could be better, but they're a bunch of gutless pussies who'd never do such a thing.

 

FYI - There's no need to resort to name calling with me. I will reply to honest debate.

 

And I don't think it is logically defensable to argue that, for me to support the war, I must be standing in Iraq holding a gun and dodging roadside bombs. Surely a person can believe in the virtue of fighting the war on terror and still have a normal life and job in the US, especially if I pay my taxes and vote. Am I not entitled to support such a cause in that case?

[kpbuckeye 3]

The soldiers are too stressed, alot are on thier 2nd and 3rd tours cuz recuitment is way down, now if some of these big talkers such as fliishflash, gettinskeered, drob and Ty Cobb could replace them maybe things could be better, but they're a bunch of gutless pussies who'd never do such a thing.

 

save it loser, we have seen you

no way you say that to someones face. I would guess you would either run, or just cry out for a lawyer.

[torridjoe 48]

save it loser, we have seen you

no way you say that to someones face. I would guess you would either run, or just cry out for a lawyer.

 

I can't see the picture from work, but are we talking about the same gratefulted? The guy's like, 6'5.

[gocolts 300]

I can't see the picture from work, but are we talking about the same gratefulted? The guy's like, 6'5.

 

Do you mean 65,as in age.That pic looks like it came before video was invented.

 

Just joking with you man.

 

Your wife is lovely.Sorry she is gone.

[TyCobb 0]

So the problem is not that Bush is a bad Christian; he just can't read very well?

 

I would argue that Christianity is a religious system, not a political one. That's probably another huge difference. Islam merges "church and state" so to speak.

 

To answer your real point, Bush has personal responsibilities as an individual Christian, and I have no idea how he is doing on that front. I'd venture to guess pretty well.

 

He also has responsibilities as the President of US. Those responsibilities are related to the Constitution, not the Bible verse he heard in Sunday School.

 

There are verses of Scripture which do relate to political realities, though. Specifically, the Bible speaks of nations who bless Israel being blessed, and those who curse Israel being cursed. But other than that, I actually support the "separation of Church and State" on principle. That probably shocks you.