Homer Mock Draft - ** DISCUSSION THREAD **

[kutulu 1,676]

I know, and honestly some of that b!tching was for fun and to rile up kutulu.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mack 1 6]

Damn Scoot, calm the fock down...I made the focking switch. I check back as often as humanly possible to see if I need to update the "....on the clock" line, and I did so this morning. Someone suggested that those whose picks are coming up should check not only the "...on the clock" line, but the thread itself; I think that's the best way to remedy this situation.

 

Plus, we're simply trying to expedite this mock; we certainly don't want it to run into the actual NFL draft. And for your comment about others being on the clock for more than two days, there is greater leniency during the weekend than during the week.

 

But relax, dude. Your 9ers have got their man in Steve Smith.

[RicemanX 20]

Nice pick by the Niners, we need a good young WR, I was hoping for Gonzalez, but SS is just as good. I was thinking about a WR for the Niners for one of their 3rd round picks as well.

[football_scooter 0]

Damn Scoot, calm the fock down...I made the focking switch. I check back as often as humanly possible to see if I need to update the "....on the clock" line, and I did so this morning. Someone suggested that those whose picks are coming up should check not only the "...on the clock" line, but the thread itself; I think that's the best way to remedy this situation.

 

Plus, we're simply trying to expedite this mock; we certainly don't want it to run into the actual NFL draft. And for your comment about others being on the clock for more than two days, there is greater leniency during the weekend than during the week.

 

But relax, dude. Your 9ers have got their man in Steve Smith.

 

I've been calm since the last page.

 

Welcome to 4:00 PM. We've missed you.

[Saint Elistan 106]

Nice pick by the Niners, we need a good young WR, I was hoping for Gonzalez, but SS is just as good. I was thinking about a WR for the Niners for one of their 3rd round picks as well.

 

He's stock is rising so it's doubtful, but I'm hoping to see Smith fall to the 3rd round. Also, if Meachem/Bowe fall below pick #20 I hope the Niners make a move to trade Smiley and their 2nd to move up and snatch 'em.

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

He's stock is rising so it's doubtful, but I'm hoping to see Smith fall to the 3rd round. Also, if Meachem/Bowe fall below pick #20 I hope the Niners make a move to trade Smiley and their 2nd to move up and snatch 'em.

 

From the sounds of it, Smith may not fall to the 3rd. If the 49ers can do as well as Scooter did here, then I'll be a happy camper.

[football_scooter 0]

From the sounds of it, Smith may not fall to the 3rd. If the 49ers can do as well as Scooter did here, then I'll be a happy camper.

 

well, minor hissy fit on my part aside, I like the draft. I think Okaye would be a stellar pick - you draft an athlete, not a position.

 

As for Smith, I've been impressed with him every time I see him and while he's a fun pick to think about here, I honestly think/hope they take one of David Harris, LB, Michigan or Brandon Siler, LB, Florida- even Quinn Pitcock (who'd be a little bit of a reach) would be a nice grab here.

 

I am really hoping they take 3 straight defensive picks, then draft a RB/WR, RB/WR in 4th and 5th.

[yostevo 0]

Smitty made a repeat pick and now we'll probably wait another 12 hours.

[MicktheGreat 1]

Smitty made a repeat pick and now we'll probably wait another 12 hours.

 

alsoyoumayberight...

[yostevo 0]

 

alsoyoumayberight...

 

Aggrevating because I've been sitting in the slot behind him all day and I've been refreshing like a mad man to pull the trigger on the pick to end this and now I get to do it all over again.

[Mack 1 6]

Smitty made a repeat pick and now we'll probably wait another 12 hours.

Somehow he'll blame me like Scooter did for not updating the "...on the clock" subtitle.

[Erb047 0]

Cmon people, its not rocket science...

[adam smitty 0]

Somehow he'll blame me like Scooter did for not updating the "...on the clock" subtitle.

No, I ctrl+Fed the page for rice and it came up no results so i just posted it before i left. im changing it now, give me 5 minutes.

 

sorry about that.

[adam smitty 0]

ok made the pick, again sorry about that but was already running late for class when i made the original post.

 

I like getting Davis here, I would have rather had Rice but he adds good depth to a thin position on the roster. I don't see the Moss trade happening, so this is our best bet at getting someone who can help out immediately.

[yostevo 0]

Jax. would be very pleased to land Weddle here. Definitely fills a void at FS. Versatile guy who can play CB or S and was a 4 year starter at Utah. Lined up opposite of Calvin Johnson in the 2005 Emerald Bowl and limited him to 2 catches for 19 yards.

 

My initial plan was to land a safety in the 1st (Nelson) and DE in the 2nd but it worked out the opposite and I feel that I got better value in the end. Moss and Weddle could help turn Jax's D into a dominant one.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Jax. would be very please to land Weddle here. Definitely fills a void at FS. Versatile guy who can play CB or S and was a 4 year starter at Utah. Lined up opposite of Calvin Johnson in the 2005 Emerald Bowl and limited him to 2 catches for 19 yards.

 

My initial plan was to land a safety in the 1st (Nelson) and DE in the 2nd but it worked out the opposite and I feel that I got better value in the end.

 

 

Not bad...I have Green Bay targeting him before that pick if they don't go Nelson in the 1st. Id actually be happy with Olsen in the 1st and Weddle in the 2nd....but like what Smitty is doing so far too.

[MicktheGreat 1]

Jax. would be very pleased to land Weddle here. Definitely fills a void at FS. Versatile guy who can play CB or S and was a 4 year starter at Utah. Lined up opposite of Calvin Johnson in the 2005 Emerald Bowl and limited him to 2 catches for 19 yards.

 

My initial plan was to land a safety in the 1st (Nelson) and DE in the 2nd but it worked out the opposite and I feel that I got better value in the end.

I like the Weddle pick alot for Jax.

 

Like you said, he's a smart, versatile player who can play CB or S--which always helps in the event of injury to your secondary. Plus, he's supposedly is a good locker-room presence too.

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him sneak into the end of the 1st round...

[football_scooter 0]

Somehow he'll blame me like Scooter did for not updating the "...on the clock" subtitle.

 

Oh, so you're saying you did update the subtitle to notify me that I was on the clock?

 

Or wait - maybe you're trying to say you updated the running draft tally so I could see who was picked and by whom when I checked in 3 times in 10 hours?

 

thought we were letting this go as a no-harm, no foul mistake on BOTH of our parts, but I see you'd rather be a d0uche about it.

[DixieDevils 0]

And the wait continues.

 

One thing about our draft that I just don't see happening in the 'real' draft is all of these WRs going in the first two rounds. Yes, it's a heavy WR draft. No question. But I have a hunch that maybe 7 or 8 will be gone by the end of the 2nd round. So far we've seen 9 go and we're barely in the middle of the second round.

 

I see a few more defensive linemen and maybe a few RBs (as weak a class as this is) going. Not many, but a few more.

[MicktheGreat 1]

Mack1, are you going to make the pick for the Bengals??? It's been 6 hours or so since yostevo made the Jax pick...

 

Just wondering...

 

 

ETA: myjimmy made his pick, so nevermind...

[Erb047 0]

Oh, so you're saying you did update the subtitle to notify me that I was on the clock?

 

Or wait - maybe you're trying to say you updated the running draft tally so I could see who was picked and by whom when I checked in 3 times in 10 hours?

 

thought we were letting this go as a no-harm, no foul mistake on BOTH of our parts, but I see you'd rather be a d0uche about it.

 

 

Just sayin...no one else has had that problem....

[MicktheGreat 1]

Going into the draft, the Titans have big needs at WR, DE, and CB (thanks to Pacman's legal troubles).

 

In the 1st round, I drafted Bowe as I thought his skills translated to the NFL better than Ginn and that he wasn't as risky (because of the speed factor) as Jarrett.

 

So, in the 2nd round, I was pretty sure that I was going to DE. The Titans have two decent pass-rushing DEs in KVB and LaBoy; however, LaBoy is a liability against the run and should be relegated to certain situations to maximize his skill-set. So, I was looking to pick up a DE who was pretty strong against the run, and I had 4 DEs in mind (Charles Johnson, Tim Crowder, Victor Abiamiri, and Anthony Spencer).

 

When Johnson & Crowder both went off the board, the decision came down to Abiamiri & Spencer. Both players are solid (not great but good) against the run, and both can get after the QB as well. Ultimately, I chose Abiamiri because I felt that he had a higher ceiling than Spencer, in the long-run.

 

I briefly considered taking a CB in this round; however, the top guys on the board all had some character concerns; and I think, in light of the Pacman debacle, the Titans would prefer to avoid that. Plus, I think the CB position is very deep this year and that potential starters can be found in rounds 3-4. And, I am also of the belief that improved DL play does more to help the pass-DEF than improved secondary-play (if that makes sense...).

[football_scooter 0]

Just sayin...no one else has had that problem....

 

well I'm a special needs student.

 

besides, the topic subtitle says this is the place for flame wars, so I feel I've helped to fill a need. You can all thank me later.

 

 

anyway, I don't really give a crap other than D0uchy McDouchester asked me to delete posts and put this behind us, then came at me with a cheap shot out of left field because he's pissed at someone else. I'll give as I get.

[DixieDevils 0]

Well, back to the drawing board for Dallas. I was hoping DeMarcus 'Tank' Tyler would fall to us. Time for Plan B.

[Kitsnow 0]

we going to do the comp picks? that way i actually get to make 3? two in round 3 now?

[jocstrap 8]

Going into the draft, the Titans have big needs at WR, DE, and CB (thanks to Pacman's legal troubles).

 

In the 1st round, I drafted Bowe as I thought his skills translated to the NFL better than Ginn and that he wasn't as risky (because of the speed factor) as Jarrett.

 

So, in the 2nd round, I was pretty sure that I was going to DE. The Titans have two decent pass-rushing DEs in KVB and LaBoy; however, LaBoy is a liability against the run and should be relegated to certain situations to maximize his skill-set. So, I was looking to pick up a DE who was pretty strong against the run, and I had 4 DEs in mind (Charles Johnson, Tim Crowder, Victor Abiamiri, and Anthony Spencer).

 

When Johnson & Crowder both went off the board, the decision came down to Abiamiri & Spencer. Both players are solid (not great but good) against the run, and both can get after the QB as well. Ultimately, I chose Abiamiri because I felt that he had a higher ceiling than Spencer, in the long-run.

 

I briefly considered taking a CB in this round; however, the top guys on the board all had some character concerns; and I think, in light of the Pacman debacle, the Titans would prefer to avoid that. Plus, I think the CB position is very deep this year and that potential starters can be found in rounds 3-4. And, I am also of the belief that improved DL play does more to help the pass-DEF than improved secondary-play (if that makes sense...).

 

MICK - I like this pick but am very worried about the pac man issue. I know he is a thug but damn the boy helped on the field. The defense needs help in many positions starting at the line, and hopefully in the real draft one of the top 2 run stoppers will be there. If Jones is gone, this puts a real hurt on the cb and return team. This team was a win against the Pats away from the playoffs, but now they seem like they are bottom feeders. I just don't know what to make of them. Hopefully Vince can continue the magic!

[MicktheGreat 1]

MICK - I like this pick but am very worried about the pac man issue. I know he is a thug but damn the boy helped on the field. The defense needs help in many positions starting at the line, and hopefully in the real draft one of the top 2 run stoppers will be there. If Jones is gone, this puts a real hurt on the cb and return team. This team was a win against the Pats away from the playoffs, but now they seem like they are bottom feeders. I just don't know what to make of them. Hopefully Vince can continue the magic!

I agree that the Pacman situation is not good. I think everyone's expecting him to receive anywhere from an 8 game suspension (best-case scenario) to a season-long suspension (worst-case scenario). Signing Nick Harper has turned out to be a HUGE move for us. He's not as flashy as Pacman but he's proven that he can be a #1 CB in the NFL--which is good because it looks like that's what we'll need him to be.

 

As far as the draft goes, like I mentioned earlier, CB is one of the deepest positions in this year's draft (probably 2nd deepest to WR). There are several CBs that I think could be available in the 3rd round that could potentially be our #2 CB by mid-season and who should be able to be our return-guy from the very start (i.e. Jonathan Wade, Josh Wilson, DeAndre Jackson, Michael Coe, etc.).

 

It sucks that Pacman can't behave; but at least this year's draft is a good one to find another CB...

[jocstrap 8]

I agree that the Pacman situation is not good. I think everyone's expecting him to receive anywhere from an 8 game suspension (best-case scenario) to a season-long suspension (worst-case scenario). Signing Nick Harper has turned out to be a HUGE move for us. He's not as flashy as Pacman but he's proven that he can be a #1 CB in the NFL--which is good because it looks like that's what we'll need him to be.

 

As far as the draft goes, like I mentioned earlier, CB is one of the deepest positions in this year's draft (probably 2nd deepest to WR). There are several CBs that I think could be available in the 3rd round that could potentially be our #2 CB by mid-season and who should be able to be our return-guy from the very start (i.e. Jonathan Wade, Josh Wilson, DeAndre Jackson, Michael Coe, etc.).

 

It sucks that Pacman can't behave; but at least this year's draft is a good one to find another CB...

 

 

A rookie is still a rookie and will ultimately cost you a couple of huge plays possibly turning into a couple of lost games. I can't stand to think we are going to have to depend on a 2nd to 3rd round rook to bring home the bacon. UGHHHH. We shall see though.

[football_scooter 0]

A rookie is still a rookie and will ultimately cost you a couple of huge plays possibly turning into a couple of lost games. I can't stand to think we are going to have to depend on a 2nd to 3rd round rook to bring home the bacon. UGHHHH. We shall see though.

 

so do you give him a pass?

 

How do you handle Pac Man? I'd ship him out were I the titans. Send a message.

 

Otherwise, what do you do? Issue a very sternly written warning and issue another fine? The guy's a thug and is in the wrong place at the wrong time one time too many.

 

Is the juice worth the squeeze with Adam Jones? Ronnie Lott reincarnated would have a hard time living down the rep this guy has. Is that good for the team? The city?

 

I say trade him to the Raiders and draft another DB.

[hellothere 1]

i love the cinci draft so far

leon hall should, and will go higher on actual draft day. and im my opinion is greatly under-rated as a CB prospect for some reason, i would be happy having him as my #1CB of the future. Tank also has the abililty to slip into the bottom of the first round, going much higher than he did here. these two were awesome value picks, and instantly upgrade the bengal D in a big way imo.

[Erb047 0]

I love the Antonio Pittman pick by the Gmen. I think he's very underrated.

[DixieDevils 0]

Dallas Cowboys' 2nd-round pick: OG Josh Beekman, Boston College

 

-- Well, initially, our hope was to land DT DeMarcus Tyler of N.C. State. His stock was falling in this draft and we were eyeing him at pick 52/53. Unfortunately, he went off the board about five picks earlier. So we went and re-evaluated our 'NEEDS'. Since we have addressed the secondary, we've drafted linebacker quite a bit recently with DeMarcus Ware, Bobby Carpenter, Bradie James and Kevin Burnett, not to mention adding Akin Adoyele, and we have bookend defensive ends from recent drafts in Marcus Spears and Chris Canty, we figured to look offense.

 

We still need a young QB to groom as our No. 3, but that wouldn't be until Day 2 as to not putting any extra pressure on Tony Romo. We seem set at RB and TE, though there has been talk of adding a TE in this draft for depth purposes behind Jason Witten and Anthony Fasano. WR was a possibility here, but with so many gone already and with some young talent on the roster behind Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn, we figured to address a bigger need.

 

That is offensive line. The addition of Leonard Davis this offseason gives Dallas some options. The Cowboys might play Davis at guard. At tackle, we have Marc Columbo, who played OK last season and Flozell Adams, who is coming back from injury. We could use a younger tackle, but there is also Pat McQuistan on the roster, and he seems to be being groomed for down the road. At center is Pro Bowler Andre Gurode, but we need a backup.

 

But at guard, unless Dallas moves Davis over, there is Marco Rivera, an aging veteran dealing with back issues, and Kyle Kosier. So, though there was consideration for a WR, OT and DE/LB at this spot, we went with Josh Beekman, the 2006 Jacobs Blocking Trophy winner given to the ACC's most valuable blocker. Beeker has experience at guard and center, so he could backup Gurode, while also play guard, and could free up to move Davis around from tackle or guard, wherever he is needed.

[The_Mad_Cats 0]

But at guard, unless Dallas moves Davis over, there is Marco Rivera, an aging veteran dealing with back issues

 

Most recent scuttlebut is that Rivera is retiring.

[RicemanX 20]

I love the Antonio Pittman pick by the Gmen. I think he's very underrated.

Yea, that was my 3.1 pick...dangit.

[DixieDevils 0]

Most recent scuttlebut is that Rivera is retiring.

 

Let me update this. Fort Worth Star-Telegram is saying that Rivera plans to retire. This is not surprising really. He just had the second disc surgery, but no official retirement has been announced yet. This is why Dallas grabbed Davis to play right guard. He'll line up there with Flozell Adams and Marc Columbo at tackle, Kyle Kosier at guard and Andre Gurode at center.

 

Thus why the Beekman pick gives Dallas not only a backup center to Gurode (Beekman played there in college) but also a younger guard, an upgrade to Kosier on the other side. Dallas has a backup tackle prospect in McQuistan.

 

Thanks for the update, Cats. I knew of Rivera's issues, but didn't see the Fort Worth Star-Telegram story that was posted this morning until after the post.

[FlaHawker 24]

2.55 Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State---SEAHAWKS

 

 

Rationale:

 

The Seahawks need a TE, although drafting for need can be dangerous sometimes as it leads to reaches. I'm trying to think like Tim Ruskell here so Miller makes sense because he can catch and he is a tremendous blocker, which will also help the OL in the run game. Wildman thinks he will have some difficulty getting downfield but his hands and blocking ability make him a worthy second round choice.

 

I would like to see the Hawks draft a guy like Marcus Thomas DT, FLA, due to his upside at DT, but his off-field concerns will keep him off the Hawk draft board. There was a pretty significant run on corners and OG's in the first two rounds so I thought it best to go back for one of the best TE's in the draft.

 

Fire away!

[Erb047 0]

I like the Miller pick to Seattle. Good pick. Not even a reach at this point in the draft, and it fills a big need.

[adam smitty 0]

I love the Antonio Pittman pick by the Gmen. I think he's very underrated.

I agree, great pick.

[phillybear 366]

2.55 Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State---SEAHAWKS

Rationale:

 

The Seahawks need a TE, although drafting for need can be dangerous sometimes as it leads to reaches. I'm trying to think like Tim Ruskell here so Miller makes sense because he can catch and he is a tremendous blocker, which will also help the OL in the run game. Wildman thinks he will have some difficulty getting downfield but his hands and blocking ability make him a worthy second round choice.

 

I would like to see the Hawks draft a guy like Marcus Thomas DT, FLA, due to his upside at DT, but his off-field concerns will keep him off the Hawk draft board. There was a pretty significant run on corners and OG's in the first two rounds so I thought it best to go back for one of the best TE's in the draft.

 

Fire away!

 

Not much of an argument from me. I am from the school of thought of drafting for value over need, but Ruskell is not from the same school as me. And character is a big deal with him. But Stevens was a huge bust, and Mili.....eh....

 

I'll start my research this weekend for the draft, so I'll be prepared to complain during the draft in the Seahawks thread here at FFToday.

[Dan 66]

I've only been lurking for the most part, and have not had a ton of time to stay on top of this - unfortunately - but . . .

 

MTSkiBum -

 

Before I make rash assumptions, will you please explain yourself. I thought your first-round pick was questionable, drafting to one of the deepest positions on the team with a guy who wasn't at the top of anyone's board at that point, and now your second-round pick is a LB who is injury-prone, doesn't fit the mold of a Steelers' OLB, and may be better suited to a 4-3 than the 3-4, which Tomlin has now assured us that they're going with . . .

 

Please explain. I want to know the thinking.